Reform voters may not be racist but they are at least dangerously naive

[ChocolateMagnum]

AIBU to accept that some Reform voters may not actually be racist, but to be pretty certain that, if they're not, they are at the very least dangerously naive?

I thought we all got taught at school about how fascism took over in 1939s Germany? And there's so much out there at the moment showing why we are at a dangerous turning point in history again.

Why is it that the so-called non-racist Reform voters not see that they are aligning themselves with a covertly racist and fascist-leaning party and that their support risks tipping the balance towards a fascist dictatorship in the UK?

Oh, trust me, the French far right would be absolutely delighted if they can dump all their undesirables in the UK.

I'm pretty sure that they understand. They just think it is their job to spend other peoples money to try and solve the problems of the world. But not actually contribute anything themselves by reducing their take.

Ok I haven’t seen that, their policy was pretty tough on R4 recently. We’ll see what the French decide.

And if they do ‘dump all their undesirables’ as you put it that will only drive up voter reaction here.

Viable immigration is one thing but we do not need any more disadvantages.
Because of housing costs and the crazy cost of housing people are having fewer children and this housing cost issue has been neglected for decades.

Because a labour govenment has a 125 year history of policy development, experience of government, and a rounded economic and social philosophy, in which debates like "is globalisation bad or good?" and "what kind of immigration best serves the UK's interests" can be held, in a grown up way.

It's not just a one trick pony, dog whistling to racists.

This!!

It's not just their policies or whether they will actually one day be in power. It's the dehumanising rhetoric and the normalisation of racism that makes reform so harmful. If people support them because they think they are the onky party that might reduce immigration they are also accepting the dehumanising and racism that reform peddle. If you are not a racist then don't vote for reform.

I voted for Labour in the last election even though I knew they would introduce policies thwt would directly disadvantage me. Financially the conservatives would bave been much better for me but i couldn't accept their position on and their cutting of welfare and their demonisation of anyone in receipt of benefits even though i dont receive these benefits myself. I'm not saying I'm a saint but I'm saying that if you support a party then you are whether you like it or not promoting their values and ideology. So if you vote for reform then you are promoting racism whether you yourself are racist or not.

This!!

It's not just their policies or whether they will actually one day be in power. It's the dehumanising rhetoric and the normalisation of racism that makes reform so harmful. If people support them because they think they are the onky party that might reduce immigration they are also accepting the dehumanising and racism that reform peddle. If you are not a racist then don't vote for reform.

I voted for Labour in the last election even though I knew they would introduce policies thwt would directly disadvantage me. Financially the conservatives would bave been much better for me but i couldn't accept their position on and their cutting of welfare and their demonisation of anyone in receipt of benefits even though i dont receive these benefits myself. I'm not saying I'm a saint but I'm saying that if you support a party then you are whether you like it or not promoting their values and ideology. So if you vote for reform then you are promoting racism whether you yourself are racist or not.

What could be the solution to Farage not delivering? Oh yes, more Farage.

FAFO.

it is naive to believe that an untested and inexperienced party will do better than the current government. Look at what’s happening in the councils. Would you really move house to somewhere that you know nothing about just because you want something different? That’s what a lot of Reform voters are saying. That really is naive. Government is about much more than reducing boat people by 35k a year.

That ok then. Fine to violently strangle swans as long as you don't actually eat them. WTF.

Macron is out first. If what you’re saying re ‘undesirables’ will happen then it’s Labour still in not delivering mode.

He is racist but he is not an idiot. He knows maybe better than anyone how to get people on his side and how to give the semblance of respectability.

Donald trump has got a few women as senior staff. Does that make him a feminist?

Very much doubt he strangled a swan because he’s an immigrant. Rather, a nutter. They come in all shapes, sizes and colours.

This is spot on.

The more that those who have legitimate concerns about immigration are sneered at, patronised, called stupid, naive, racist, the further away you will push them.

I don’t want a Reform government but, by fuck, I am sick to the back teeth of being insulted and being left powerless. The left are pushing people like me further and further away, while hypocritically criticising me for us creating an us/them atmosphere.

Yeah - a couple of mouthpieces with Mar-a-Lago faces... and no one from an ethnic minority either. A sea of white.

Mussolini also depended on people despairing. Just saying. Have you seen with they’ve been saying the last week? He’s not even original he just copies a convicted felon

You beat me to it! Yes the “ critical thinking” card doesn’t take long to be pulled out, does it? Obviously, the pp has excellent critical thinking skills while others who disagree or act differently, don’t.

I expect to see “knuckle-draggers” next

Labour has a “rounded economic and social philosophy”!!!

You have either being living in a cave for the last 12 months or are a paid activist.

I’ve never heard anything so ridiculously naive.

How racist!

Except we were right about the shit show that Brexit would be (it was based on factual evidence) and we will sadly be right in this case again.
It's not about belittling or any such bullshit, more like trying to avoid a sleepwalker stepping off a cliff, pointing to the gap in the ground but being powerless to make them listen. It's just infuriating watching a whole swath of the population blindly follow Nigel-the-piper to their doom (especially as it means we all fall off the same fucking cliff).

Of the Trump administration? Possibly, yes. It's all about making the white male great again.

I heard a clip on the news today about how the majority of asylum seekers are housed in areas that are recognised as being deprived. So people from those areas live alongside the challenges and thus have and now voice legitimate concerns. Those who live in middle class, leafy areas are not personally affected and can take a much more tolerant, left- leaning view.

Yeh that post is a bit removed

"The authorities he alerted did not turn up until the next day. Mr Gibson said: "By the time they came down the bloke had gone. He must have thrown the carcasses away (how convenient that the swan murderer was so meticulous about tidying up!) There were bits of bone and some feathers but there were no bones left." The scene was visited later by Kevin Garten, a volunteer from Shepperton Swan Sanctuary.

He said: "Those carcasses were not stripped by animals. I know what foxes do. These were meticulously stripped and the head and neck were still attached - a fox would have had it straight off.

"I cannot definitely say it was human but I can definitely say it was no animal."

How did Kevin know the carcasses were meticulously stripped given that all traces of the carcasses were removed before he visited the scene? The story has more holes than a a Warburton's crumpet.

No one was ever arrested or charged. So we have no idea if this man's accusations from 13 years ago were true. But you seem determined to believe that migrants are routinely eating swans, so I will leave it there.

I will happily rethink my statements when there is actual proof of swan-eating.

Again, racist comments and doubling down on it.