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Are all of us foreigners just going to be told to pack up and leave if Reform win?

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Onegingerhead · 26/09/2025 16:03

I might be totally unreasonable here (or not), but please hear me out.
(Bloody) foreigner here — I’ve lived in the UK since 2001. Built my whole life here: house, husband, DC, the lot. Worked the whole time in a field that requires the highest level of qualification.
I’m getting increasingly worried about the talk of Reform winning in 2029. Some even say it could be sooner if Labour are pushed into early elections. This week (as we all heard) our beloved Reform suggested rescinding ILR or even settled status from Europeans. God knows what else they’ll come up with, I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they went after naturalised Brits next and started revoking citizenship, just to please the voters.
I know a lot of foreign-born women — some married to born-and-bred Brits, some to other Europeans (not always from the same country), some to men from overseas. All sorts of combinations.
So what do you think lies ahead for us? Will we be politely asked to leave, or will things just get so hostile that we’re pushed out anyway? And how likely is it that people who aren’t very white, or who have an accent, will face more discrimination in work?
I’m meeting my foreign friends tonight and we’ll be talking about it. For most of us, moving now would be incredibly difficult. We’re late 30s to early 50s, and starting over in a new country isn’t exactly easy. Some of us are married to men from different countries entirely, and we don’t even speak each other’s languages well enough to get proper jobs there.

AIBU and should think we will actually be allowed to stay?
AINBU sorry but you’d better start planning your move now

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Spiritofeden87 · 26/09/2025 17:20

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 26/09/2025 17:19

Where is your evidence?

Farage literally said as much in a speech last week. He hates ‘foriners’

DancingMango · 26/09/2025 17:20

3tumsnot1 · 26/09/2025 17:02

You are right that it’s the illegal immigrants that many people have a problem with…… but you are not right as to what reform are suggesting …. They are looking to take away indefinite leave to remain, to make it so much harder and less attractive for migrants to stay here. That includes people with key skills who contribute.

This is great for Farage, as by doing so it will force people out - bringing the NHS to its knees. Win win for Farage as it will open the door to privatisation - which is exactly what he wants.

Such a shame that so many of the people that are voting him in are the same that won’t be able to afford the 3rd rate two tier private healthcare we will be getting - if they succeed. Just look where we are with dentists, this will be where we are with doctors and healthcare too….. dig deep people, we will need all the pennies in the jar…

This . Thank you for posting . People still haven’t realised that a Reform government will mean an American style healthcare system .

RandomNewIdentity · 26/09/2025 17:20

I don't have much idea what will happen, but I wish you the very best and am pleased you are here.

MookieCat · 26/09/2025 17:21

That was to the PP who says the only legals being deported will be those who dont contribute.

Legals. Legal immigrants. Listen to yourself if you think retrospective changing the rules- with the pledge to deport - is a good idea.

DancingMango · 26/09/2025 17:21

RandomNewIdentity · 26/09/2025 17:20

I don't have much idea what will happen, but I wish you the very best and am pleased you are here.

Me too xx

Hotflushesandchilblains · 26/09/2025 17:21

I am so sorry you are feeling this way - the whole thing is almost unbelievable in its awfulness. I am so embarrassed that this is happening here.

DIYagainstMould · 26/09/2025 17:22

I am married with an English, have just the settled status. Have not planned to take on a passport, the fee is ridiculous, why if I am raising a British child but anyway. Am I scared? Well, not really? English people absolutely love my country and there 100s of English couples with young kids who go there right now, buy houses and start living from scratch. If they do this, we can do too, with my husband

I love the UK but not that passionately put it that way. Not sure how you made friends but I made 0

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 26/09/2025 17:22

Westfacing · 26/09/2025 17:04

There has been that very suggestion, by Farage on Monday, aimed at people with Indefinite Leave to Remain i.e. those here legally long term, but are not citizens.

Could you provide evidence? I haven't seen Farage say he was deporting ILR holders only that he plans to replace it with a different policy.

FuglyBitch · 26/09/2025 17:23

Foreigner here 🙋🏾‍♀️ sadly when I got my citizenship, I unwittingly renounced citizenship of my home country, which I’m trying to reapply for. I’m starting to think about and make plans to move. It’s complicated because I’m married to an English man. And we have mixed race children born in the UK, so I don’t really want to leave them here, but happily take them back home. Work opportunities are not the best back home, so that’s a worry.
My parents moved to the UK, about 25 years ago to set up a business, they worked hard paid taxes, but they are shutting down the business and moving back.
i’d happily follow them home

3tumsnot1 · 26/09/2025 17:23

MookieCat · 26/09/2025 17:02

I am Australian and I have Indefinite Leave to Remain. I have been here since 2005. My husband is British. My two sons were born here in 2010 and 2012.

One of the reasons I left my last professional job in 2022 was because my line manager (in a law firm of all places) started screaming in my face about fucking migrants and 'British jobs for British people'. The equity partners just shrugged and said 'you know what she is like'.

I feel real anger and fear at Reform's idea they will rescind the permanent visas of legal migrants. I have made my life here. My family is here. There are deeply personal reasons why I never took British citizenship, but i have paid untold taxes and am a net contributor on my own, never mind my household being a net contributing household.

I'm ready to give up on the UK. Everywhere I turn I am being taxed to the fucking hilt and I am being told I am not welcome here. I see this country I loved going to the dogs. I have options. My children are dual cits and have options. DH and I have discussed cutting and running. It's sad tbh. because this was always emant to be where we and our children lived out our days. No more. I don't care anymore.

You are right and it is absolutely disgusting how people will be treated. We will be the ones that lose out, should you decide to leave.

Do the ignorants on here, really think that when these policies come in, the educated, the earners, the contributors to our country and society are really going to choose to stay here - when we threaten their ability to stay. Would you live under those conditions? Wondering if you could get chucked out at any time. Wake the fuck up!!!

Wherever you decide to go @MookieCat I wish you could take me too. I might have citizenship as I am British, but feel absolutely done with this country too…. I wish people would look beyond the lies and see what’s happening here…

certainlycertain · 26/09/2025 17:24

Spiritofeden87 · 26/09/2025 17:20

Farage literally said as much in a speech last week. He hates ‘foriners’

other than his wife and girlfriend

CharlotteRumpling · 26/09/2025 17:25

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 26/09/2025 17:18

Nobody said ILR holders are going to be deported.

Yes they did.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-uk-ilr-immigration-policy-nigel-farage-b2831087.html

Points to consider:
Retrospective application suggested by Zia Yusuf to existing ILR holders.
Salary limit to be £60 k. Laughable. Most junior doctors, scientists, nurses, contrubutors don't earn that.
ILR holders pay thousands in visa fees I think something like £3 k per person and 1 k per year NHS surcharge
Do you think skilled workers will keep paying to renew?
Farage will tank the economy and flee to the Cayman Islands, as he did after Brexit.

How Farage’s plan for legal migration could put thousands at risk of deportation

Farage says the plan would save over £200bn – but the figures have been called into question

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-uk-ilr-immigration-policy-nigel-farage-b2831087.html

caringcarer · 26/09/2025 17:25

, you have got that information wrong. NF has not said EU citizenship will lose settled status. You have made that up.

muggart · 26/09/2025 17:25

I am a naturalised Brit too and I think this thread is bonkers. There are so many illegals and criminals and people on temporary visas who could have their visas not renewed, and types of non-essential immigration which could be eliminated. They aren’t going to go after actual law abiding British citizens who pay into the system, like yourself (and myself!) OP, when there’s so much non-essential immigration.

Go for a walk around London OP and look at all the people. It is 40% foreign born and, despite, what is written in the newspapers, many of them are not high earners or in essential jobs. Some of them may be at risk of not having their visas renewed.

Bl00jdht · 26/09/2025 17:25

It’s so worrying. Just realised that we have a fair few friends who will be affected. Some v high qualified and high up in the NHS. Some schools will just empty. Nobody is going to want to come here to work. Why invest your best years in a country that will just boot you out and not let you settle or invest ?Will have a massive impact in every sector and sectors like research, NHS , tech will be massively impacted. We’ll be so behind in everything.

It’s madness .

Spiritofeden87 · 26/09/2025 17:25

3tumsnot1 · 26/09/2025 17:23

You are right and it is absolutely disgusting how people will be treated. We will be the ones that lose out, should you decide to leave.

Do the ignorants on here, really think that when these policies come in, the educated, the earners, the contributors to our country and society are really going to choose to stay here - when we threaten their ability to stay. Would you live under those conditions? Wondering if you could get chucked out at any time. Wake the fuck up!!!

Wherever you decide to go @MookieCat I wish you could take me too. I might have citizenship as I am British, but feel absolutely done with this country too…. I wish people would look beyond the lies and see what’s happening here…

It’s like what’s currently happening with international students though - who bring billions into the U.K. economy- they are voting with their feet and not coming because of the current hostile rhetoric. It’s shameful

Timelineuk · 26/09/2025 17:26

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 26/09/2025 17:22

Could you provide evidence? I haven't seen Farage say he was deporting ILR holders only that he plans to replace it with a different policy.

Some people never learn what these corrupt liars say and what they really mean. Have any of you ever studied Orwell double speaks thought not and it shows

Onegingerhead · 26/09/2025 17:26

EasternStandard · 26/09/2025 17:13

They’ve already got the numbers if you look at the MRP today

Op have you got citizenship or ILR?

I’ve got citizenship. I’m also ‘privileged’ to look as white as an English rose but that’s beside the point. Let’s be honest, people with brown skin, especially those on ILR, are going to have it far worse

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youve987456 · 26/09/2025 17:26

applesandpinkoranges · 26/09/2025 16:14

Of course not. If all ‘foreigners’ left tomorrow the NHS would collapse for a start. That just won’t happen.

It’s the illegal immigrants people have a problem with, not those who have come here legitimately to work hard and contribute to society.

I have seen plenty of people being racist and wanting rid of foreigners. Same happened after Brexit.

MookieCat · 26/09/2025 17:27

3tumsnot1 · 26/09/2025 17:23

You are right and it is absolutely disgusting how people will be treated. We will be the ones that lose out, should you decide to leave.

Do the ignorants on here, really think that when these policies come in, the educated, the earners, the contributors to our country and society are really going to choose to stay here - when we threaten their ability to stay. Would you live under those conditions? Wondering if you could get chucked out at any time. Wake the fuck up!!!

Wherever you decide to go @MookieCat I wish you could take me too. I might have citizenship as I am British, but feel absolutely done with this country too…. I wish people would look beyond the lies and see what’s happening here…

DH actually said to me a few days ago that if we leave he wishes to renounce his British citizenship. He does not have any other citizenship, he is British. This was before Farage's little announcement. He said he doesn't even recognise Britain anymore.

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 26/09/2025 17:28

certainlycertain · 26/09/2025 17:16

An awful lot of them seem to be mid-process. They are routinely being grabbed from their immigration court hearings. An act first, ask questions later approach.

If you're trying to defend what's happening in the US as setting a standard for here, that's pretty pathetic.

I'm not interested in what is happening in the US because I am in the UK and it's irrelevant. In fact, I'm not sure why you brought it up at all.

Coldcafe · 26/09/2025 17:28

Malariahilaria · 26/09/2025 16:52

You only need to worry if you're not white. That's their only concern. If you're white they'll find a work around 'we don't mean you, you're like us, we meant the other foreigners'. My family are originally south African where they had a fantastic colour based model that worked for years, they'll probably follow something like that.

*unless you're white Eastern European stealing all the swans and coy carp...

Xiaoxiong · 26/09/2025 17:29

I'm naturalised here too, having jumped through all the hoops and paid untold thousands to get naturalised.

If Farage decides to retrospectively cancel people's ILRs, that will mean everyone reapplying for whatever replaces it (I think they are proposing a 5 year visa). And if the criteria are stricter, then a lot of those people might not qualify under the new regime. What do you think will happen to those people @IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland

Spiritofeden87 · 26/09/2025 17:29

Timelineuk · 26/09/2025 17:26

Some people never learn what these corrupt liars say and what they really mean. Have any of you ever studied Orwell double speaks thought not and it shows

That’s what Farage wants though isn’t it. An uneducated population. no one to question his lies - it’s like mass brainwashing.

Arron Banks said this week that lefty academics should be shot. It’s fucking terrifying.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 26/09/2025 17:29

applesandpinkoranges · 26/09/2025 16:14

Of course not. If all ‘foreigners’ left tomorrow the NHS would collapse for a start. That just won’t happen.

It’s the illegal immigrants people have a problem with, not those who have come here legitimately to work hard and contribute to society.

I’ve read a projection of what would happen if everyone were deported.

The NHS would collapse
Hospitatilty would collapse
Supermarkets and supply chain would collapse
Civil service would collapse

And we thought Brexit was madness.

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