Are all of us foreigners just going to be told to pack up and leave if Reform win?

[Onegingerhead]

I might be totally unreasonable here (or not), but please hear me out.
(Bloody) foreigner here — I’ve lived in the UK since 2001. Built my whole life here: house, husband, DC, the lot. Worked the whole time in a field that requires the highest level of qualification.
I’m getting increasingly worried about the talk of Reform winning in 2029. Some even say it could be sooner if Labour are pushed into early elections. This week (as we all heard) our beloved Reform suggested rescinding ILR or even settled status from Europeans. God knows what else they’ll come up with, I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they went after naturalised Brits next and started revoking citizenship, just to please the voters.
I know a lot of foreign-born women — some married to born-and-bred Brits, some to other Europeans (not always from the same country), some to men from overseas. All sorts of combinations.
So what do you think lies ahead for us? Will we be politely asked to leave, or will things just get so hostile that we’re pushed out anyway? And how likely is it that people who aren’t very white, or who have an accent, will face more discrimination in work?
I’m meeting my foreign friends tonight and we’ll be talking about it. For most of us, moving now would be incredibly difficult. We’re late 30s to early 50s, and starting over in a new country isn’t exactly easy. Some of us are married to men from different countries entirely, and we don’t even speak each other’s languages well enough to get proper jobs there.

AIBU and should think we will actually be allowed to stay?
AINBU sorry but you’d better start planning your move now

The only shame here is that your obviously still watching the BBC.

The nations with the highest rates of arranged child marriages are: Niger, Chad, Mali, Bangladesh, Guinea, Central African Republic, Afghanistan, Yemen, India and Pakistan……all Muslim countries…

I can understand the fear and worry you are feeling. I think it’s completely unfair for reform to change the goalposts and start talking about deporting people who are legally allowed to be here, and I’m all for clamping down on illegal immigration but that’s just not on. I can’t see it happening though, what are they going to actually do? As we can see it’s very difficult to stop small boats coming in and dropping off thousands of undocumented illegal migrants. Think of the sheer admin involved in combing through paperwork of anyone who happened not to be born in the UK and then enforcing deportation. It’s ludicrous and just won’t happen.

Four states in the USA have no statutory minimum age for marriage.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage_in_the_United_States

We just watched The Pianist again. It's excellent for depicting a very subtle and understated way how incrementally people's rights were stripped away, how humbly accepting most people were of each new infringement and requirement, how ultimately 99% of the Jewish victims in Warsaw believed the rumours of what was happening were unworkable and monstrous and ludicrous and could never happen.

But they happened anyway.

I agree mostly because Government efficiency is a bit of a misnomer, but fear the the legals like me are low-hanging fruit.

Because we are registered everywhere.

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Well that's terrible. Thank goodness we don't live there.

Australia isn't so different though, theres plenty of anti immigration going on there too, lots of places in the rest of Europe also.

My local family hub had a list of many different pronouns pinned up on a board in the waiting room included "Xem" and "Ze" and they weren't capitalised properly.

Also, to add to that, the Great Wall of China is a border. It can literally been seen from space.

Social media makes it easier for people to be targeted with propaganda. See the Brexit vote. The leave campaign targeted the people they thought could be influenced to vote leave and bombarded them with propaganda via social media. Meanwhile, those who could not be persuaded were blissfully unaware because they weren't being fed the same stuff.

There is a very informative video on Youtube where Dominic Cummings explains it all in great detail.

Once you become aware of it, it becomes obvious when you see people parroting the same talking point that they have obviously been fed.

Social media is not our friend when it comes to people having access to facts over opinions. People have to actively seek facts whereas opinions and lies get fed to them.

I dont know the answer but I can imagine it is a huge worry for you and many others.
I truly believe that the divide between British nationals and foreign nationals has come from a huge amount of scaremongering. We have been repeatedly told about 'foreigners' coming here to steal our jobs and our benefits and houses etc but that's not the case, if British people were that worried aboit that then they would train to do the jobs of 'foreigners' ie dentistry/surgeon/medicine etc but not many will. We're being force fed a narrative about 'boat people' and maybe we as a country are 'too soft' about illegal immigrants but the hatred that has been continuously forced isnt right. Listen no human is going to get on a rubber dingy and risk their life for absolutely no reason are they?
We need immigration whether people like that or not its the truth. Take a look for example at Japan (for what its worth i love Japan), they have a massive population decline, nationals are not having enough children, there is a shortage in the workforce because the elderly are dying, theyve had to suggest a mass immigration to get them out of the trouble theyre in and the Japanese nationals are mostly against this, but without it Japan will become pretty much extinct.
I have no issues with immigrants and I recognise that we need you here even if others dont.

I've no idea at this point. Part of it wants to think it's more bluster from him to get more attention, but there is part that thinks this sort of thing is to test the waters...

digital is just more convenient form of an ID nowadays. And cheaper to issue.
whats your problem with it?

But immigrants who were on moved onto Biometric IDs that became required for non-EU migrants to work and access services as the solution to prevent illegal working over a decade ago were moved onto Digital IDs at the end of last year.

Why would requiring digital IDs for Brits reduce illegal working when requiring IDs - plastic and digital - for migrants already has not only done anything, but seems we have more than ever? Why make it more mandatory for Brits than any other ID - other countries have Digital ID as an option...

It's a money making exercise. Ask any migrant who had to pay the 'private partners' for their biometric cards or anyone who heard the previous chancellor call the UK Immigration services 'for profit' - that profit clearly wasn't for the country, but those private partners.

Oh and data leaks and the government's fairly poor record at data management and just tired of more hoops and loops.

Absolutely. Like all the Reform supporters who have posted to me on another platform "Everyone supports Reform - you wait and see." Trying to explain to them that they were living in an echo chamber of confirmation bias because that's what the (anti) social media algorithms were pushing at them went completely over their heads. The last thing they're going to do is to go looking for sources of information that challenge their entrenched beliefs.

Erm, you do understand that not all Reform voters will uniformly agree and interpret a parties proposed policies the same? Just as not all Labour supporters will agree with each other on why they are voting for them. Because, you know, we’re all different….

Thanks for your naiviety.

And we have exactly the same problem in the UK. The average birth rate per woman has plummeted to just 1.42, but we need a replacement rate of 2.1 per woman. We have been recording more deaths than births per year every year since 2015 and our population is already in decline which is set to accelerate over the next few decades. We need immigration to address this decline - not least because immigration increases the working age population providing more people to work and pay taxes to fund public services. Without it we are totally screwed economically, but Farage will keep quiet about that inconvenient truth.

And this proves what? I can’t see the connection between that and this topic being discussed. So four states out of 50 have no statutory age for marriage, but 46 do?

Read the quote history - it has the answer to your question.

On health: https://youtube.com/shorts/TN3lGQzTpu4?si=Hn4GzHF3pBfF0XKT

Having worked in schools for many years now I have never seen anything like what you are describing. I don't think that is normal at all. I won't argue that education and health are in a good state now. After years of austerity they are a bit screwed and it will take time to turn things around. Satisfaction in the NHS was much higher under the last Labour government so I'm hopeful that in time things will improve again. It's a big hill to climb though.

Of course Reform haven't been in charge when there has been a recession because they have never been in charge at all? Between Tories and Labour the economic track records are actually very similar.

As my post has itself made patently clear, I know that Reformers are not all the same.

The funny part to me is that despite apparently being in such strongly-felt disagreement amongst themselves about these pivotal aspects of Dear Nigel's sunlit uplands, they manage to never disagree with each other's posts but only unerringly pick out Nigel-unbelievers for argument.

I hear you OP. Wondering too what this means for me . I’m a Brit but have lived in France all my working life and have a French DH and grown up kids. If countries were to retaliate, it could mean Brits abroad loosing residency, so how then would Reform look after us… i’ll have a good pension but it’s in France as is my house and importantly DH and family..it seems like pie in the sky but with rhe way of the world at the moment anything could happen

We won’t need to rely on immigrants if we replace the NHS by introducing compulsory private health insurance, and by raising the pension age for future generations, and phasing out the state pension in favour of compulsory adequate private pension funding. The resolution to a declining population is not to increase public service spending to accommodate immigrants who will more than likely take out more than they pay in.

This will drop as AI increasingly takes over jobs.