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Are all of us foreigners just going to be told to pack up and leave if Reform win?

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Onegingerhead · 26/09/2025 16:03

I might be totally unreasonable here (or not), but please hear me out.
(Bloody) foreigner here — I’ve lived in the UK since 2001. Built my whole life here: house, husband, DC, the lot. Worked the whole time in a field that requires the highest level of qualification.
I’m getting increasingly worried about the talk of Reform winning in 2029. Some even say it could be sooner if Labour are pushed into early elections. This week (as we all heard) our beloved Reform suggested rescinding ILR or even settled status from Europeans. God knows what else they’ll come up with, I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they went after naturalised Brits next and started revoking citizenship, just to please the voters.
I know a lot of foreign-born women — some married to born-and-bred Brits, some to other Europeans (not always from the same country), some to men from overseas. All sorts of combinations.
So what do you think lies ahead for us? Will we be politely asked to leave, or will things just get so hostile that we’re pushed out anyway? And how likely is it that people who aren’t very white, or who have an accent, will face more discrimination in work?
I’m meeting my foreign friends tonight and we’ll be talking about it. For most of us, moving now would be incredibly difficult. We’re late 30s to early 50s, and starting over in a new country isn’t exactly easy. Some of us are married to men from different countries entirely, and we don’t even speak each other’s languages well enough to get proper jobs there.

AIBU and should think we will actually be allowed to stay?
AINBU sorry but you’d better start planning your move now

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CharlotteRumpling · 26/09/2025 17:06

Am getting a bit tired of people repeating " oh its only the illegals Reform wants out"..You have not been paying attention
Reform wants legal taxpaying immigrants out
Your Indian GP who has not taken citizenship because India does not recognise dual nationality? He will be out leaving the NHS in even more shit.

CurlewKate · 26/09/2025 17:07

My parents and elder brothers had “indefinite leave to remain” from the early 1960s. They had no desire to take citizenship-why should they ? They all worked, paid taxes, contributed to this country.

CaptainMyCaptain · 26/09/2025 17:07

baroqueandblue · 26/09/2025 17:03

Some people used that line in 1930s Germany. Just so you're aware.

This.

Ted27 · 26/09/2025 17:08

@Onegingerhead
I completely understand your feelings and its pointless to tell you not to worry.
Im white British born, my son is British born but is mixed race, has brown skin and one of those funny foreign names. Yes I do worry about his future.
For what its worth I don't think Reform will win the 2029 election.
Labour has a massive majority, the size of which is difficult to overturn in one election cycle. The Tories are finished so whilst technically Reform look like the opposition, they have a handful of MPs. To scale up for an election will be a monumental task. Where they do have control of local councils they will soon realise that govt isn't easy.
When the Coalition won in 2010, I was in the civil service. I remember Michael Gove flouncing in to the dept and getting a dose of reality that he couldn't do what he wanted without primary legislation, which can take years. This is not America, Farage cannot issue executive orders.
Labour are doing some good things, but they are useless at communicating it and everything is overshadowed by the immigration issue.
There is time to turn things around, but I do think there will be tactical voting and electoral agreements with the Lib Dems.

certainlycertain · 26/09/2025 17:09

I'm a naturalised citizen, luckily from a country that allows dual citizenship. I think it's very unlikely that they would actually go through with this, as quite a lot of us settled status/naturalised immigrants are a a real boon to the HMRC coffers. However, if they did, I think we'd leave, albeit with great regret, as we love living here. If things came to that pass, it wouldn't be a country I'd want to live in.

Dweetfidilove · 26/09/2025 17:09

At worst, there is the possibility that Reform will have officers yanking people off thr streets and sending them 'home ' - much like ICE is doing in the US.

Equally bad - they may seek to revoke the ILR of those they say are draining the DWP's resources / haven't been in employment for whatever they consider extended periods.

I'd expect any government is smart enough (more then they are hateful) to not try to revoke the ILR of decent, hard-working and law-abiding residents.

At best, ILR will become Reform's biggest heist, and they'll make reapplying for visa extensions a perpetual and expensive cycle - extending the time needed to qualify for ILR so they can squeeze as much money out of residents as possible.

CaptainMyCaptain · 26/09/2025 17:11

hadjustaboutenough · 26/09/2025 16:49

As a naturalised citizen not breaking any laws, I can't imagine you have any reason to worry (as I imagine you very well know).

Edited

She might not be deported but racist thugs aren't making that distinction. Having lived through the 70s and 80s I'm frightened for mixed race members of my family.

sweetgingercat · 26/09/2025 17:11

Posters suggesting applying for citizenship may not realise that some countries don't allow dual citizenship. Kier Starmer take bloody note. Sort your act out...

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 26/09/2025 17:11

CaptainMyCaptain · 26/09/2025 17:01

People in the US voted for Trump only to find their workforce or even spouses have been deported. Thinking 'it won't happen to us' is dangerous.

Because they were in the country illegally. Legal status is the defining factor in this.

CharlotteRumpling · 26/09/2025 17:12

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 26/09/2025 17:11

Because they were in the country illegally. Legal status is the defining factor in this.

Could you please explain what is illegal about ILR holders? As legal status is defining.

CaptainMyCaptain · 26/09/2025 17:13

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 26/09/2025 17:11

Because they were in the country illegally. Legal status is the defining factor in this.

They thought they were safe and they weren't. People are stupid.

EasternStandard · 26/09/2025 17:13

Ted27 · 26/09/2025 17:08

@Onegingerhead
I completely understand your feelings and its pointless to tell you not to worry.
Im white British born, my son is British born but is mixed race, has brown skin and one of those funny foreign names. Yes I do worry about his future.
For what its worth I don't think Reform will win the 2029 election.
Labour has a massive majority, the size of which is difficult to overturn in one election cycle. The Tories are finished so whilst technically Reform look like the opposition, they have a handful of MPs. To scale up for an election will be a monumental task. Where they do have control of local councils they will soon realise that govt isn't easy.
When the Coalition won in 2010, I was in the civil service. I remember Michael Gove flouncing in to the dept and getting a dose of reality that he couldn't do what he wanted without primary legislation, which can take years. This is not America, Farage cannot issue executive orders.
Labour are doing some good things, but they are useless at communicating it and everything is overshadowed by the immigration issue.
There is time to turn things around, but I do think there will be tactical voting and electoral agreements with the Lib Dems.

They’ve already got the numbers if you look at the MRP today

Op have you got citizenship or ILR?

MushMonster · 26/09/2025 17:14

In view of this late policy of theirs, which works retrospectively, yeah, they do want all foreigners out.
I do get illegal entries, illegal overstay of visas and those who talk and build bases against UK values and laws and those abusing the benefit system.
But this of going after those with ILR, to be changed to a 5 year visa. And what he said... it does not make sense to me.
But... should we need to go, they will have to return the taxes paid. You cannot get someone to work, pay taxes and pension and then chuck them out after 20-30 years. Like nope. Send them back to original passport country, but with their taxes. Because the country receiving those displaced will need it to provide pension and healthcare in a not so long future.
It is just plain madness.
I still, and always, love the flags of this country. I could not care less how much shite Farage wants to pile up on them. I may have not learnt much about UK in my long stay, but I reckon this is just not happening.
Though the tightening up and drastic reduction of further visas, yes that will happen. With Farage or any other government.

MookieCat · 26/09/2025 17:15

CharlotteRumpling · 26/09/2025 17:12

Could you please explain what is illegal about ILR holders? As legal status is defining.

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Exactly. look it up if you don't know.

I have sympathy with people who put their fingers in their ears and say 'lalallala it can't possibly mean THAT' because the idea of deporting people who are here legally and who have already jumped through all the hoops and paid their dues seems mad. But actually READ what farage said. Clue.... He wants to rescind and deport people who are here legally, and who have in many cases been here for decades.

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 26/09/2025 17:16

CharlotteRumpling · 26/09/2025 16:56

Do you know what an ILR is? Reform has announced that all ILR holders will be deported. Those are legal foreigners.

'Under the new plan, the ILR would be replaced by a five-year renewable visa, with stricter requirements, including higher salary thresholds, stronger English proficiency, and a ban on claiming benefits.
Existing holders of ILR would also be affected, as they would lose their settled status and be required to reapply under the new system. Meanwhile, the period required to apply for citizenship would be extended to seven years instead of the current six (five plus one) under ILR.'

Replacing an existing policy with a stricter one does not mean deporting people. Can you provide the quote from Reform that states ILR holders will be deported as you have claimed?

Nigel Farage vows to ditch indefinite leave to remain for migrants

Reform UK leader says people with settled status would be forced to reapply for new visa after five years

https://www.ft.com/content/4e1641eb-89f6-4c26-b190-cc9151e520dc

certainlycertain · 26/09/2025 17:16

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 26/09/2025 17:11

Because they were in the country illegally. Legal status is the defining factor in this.

An awful lot of them seem to be mid-process. They are routinely being grabbed from their immigration court hearings. An act first, ask questions later approach.

If you're trying to defend what's happening in the US as setting a standard for here, that's pretty pathetic.

Midnightlove · 26/09/2025 17:17

I think the vast majority of people only have problems with people coming here and costing the tax payer money. I would doubt and certainly hope you would have no issues what so ever

CharlotteRumpling · 26/09/2025 17:17

Reform voters will sell us down the river, like they did with Brexshit, because they can't be bothered with the fine print. Illegals! Swans! Illegals eating swans!
What we should worry about is how we are shooing out legal taxpayers.

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 26/09/2025 17:18

CharlotteRumpling · 26/09/2025 17:12

Could you please explain what is illegal about ILR holders? As legal status is defining.

Edited

Nobody said ILR holders are going to be deported.

Midnightlove · 26/09/2025 17:18

MookieCat · 26/09/2025 17:15

Exactly. look it up if you don't know.

I have sympathy with people who put their fingers in their ears and say 'lalallala it can't possibly mean THAT' because the idea of deporting people who are here legally and who have already jumped through all the hoops and paid their dues seems mad. But actually READ what farage said. Clue.... He wants to rescind and deport people who are here legally, and who have in many cases been here for decades.

That don't work/contribute

Drachuughtty · 26/09/2025 17:19

Sorry you are having to think about this.
Sincerely hope it doesn't come to that.

Spiritofeden87 · 26/09/2025 17:19

CharlotteRumpling · 26/09/2025 17:17

Reform voters will sell us down the river, like they did with Brexshit, because they can't be bothered with the fine print. Illegals! Swans! Illegals eating swans!
What we should worry about is how we are shooing out legal taxpayers.

Exactly.

And OMG their use of the word ‘illegals’ makes me want to scream.

It’s because of fucking Farage and Brexit that these poor people don’t have safe routes to asylum.

MookieCat · 26/09/2025 17:19

There has always been a minimum earning requirement for getting an Indefinite leave to remain visa. People who get that have always had to prove they had a job and a minimum income. [facepalm]

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 26/09/2025 17:19

MookieCat · 26/09/2025 17:03

No- have you not read what they plan to do? They plan to rescind the visas of people who are here legally. Not illegally. Legally.

Where is your evidence?

Tandora · 26/09/2025 17:20

applesandpinkoranges · 26/09/2025 16:14

Of course not. If all ‘foreigners’ left tomorrow the NHS would collapse for a start. That just won’t happen.

It’s the illegal immigrants people have a problem with, not those who have come here legitimately to work hard and contribute to society.

Except Farage is pledging to make a load of currently legal immigrants illegal!! By eg revoking indefinite leave to remain. So no, it's not just illegal migrants he's going after- it's all migrants who haven't naturalised (so far).

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