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Are all of us foreigners just going to be told to pack up and leave if Reform win?

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Onegingerhead · 26/09/2025 16:03

I might be totally unreasonable here (or not), but please hear me out.
(Bloody) foreigner here — I’ve lived in the UK since 2001. Built my whole life here: house, husband, DC, the lot. Worked the whole time in a field that requires the highest level of qualification.
I’m getting increasingly worried about the talk of Reform winning in 2029. Some even say it could be sooner if Labour are pushed into early elections. This week (as we all heard) our beloved Reform suggested rescinding ILR or even settled status from Europeans. God knows what else they’ll come up with, I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they went after naturalised Brits next and started revoking citizenship, just to please the voters.
I know a lot of foreign-born women — some married to born-and-bred Brits, some to other Europeans (not always from the same country), some to men from overseas. All sorts of combinations.
So what do you think lies ahead for us? Will we be politely asked to leave, or will things just get so hostile that we’re pushed out anyway? And how likely is it that people who aren’t very white, or who have an accent, will face more discrimination in work?
I’m meeting my foreign friends tonight and we’ll be talking about it. For most of us, moving now would be incredibly difficult. We’re late 30s to early 50s, and starting over in a new country isn’t exactly easy. Some of us are married to men from different countries entirely, and we don’t even speak each other’s languages well enough to get proper jobs there.

AIBU and should think we will actually be allowed to stay?
AINBU sorry but you’d better start planning your move now

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CallMeEvelyn · 27/09/2025 12:06

There has definitely been a major increase in anti-EU sentiment too. I've had everything, from Brits laughing at my first name which isn't British, to queries "how am I so qualified", anything from "how come your English so good" to "you have a funny accent, where are you from, where is home?", to "For your benefit, Evelyn, as you don't play it in X [we do], the rules in rugby game are..." (my ex boss, 16 years into me living in the UK), people asking my then 3yo DC if he's "feeling more British or X", multiple people supporting Brexit and slagging off immigrants in front of me but then backpedalling "Oh, we don't mean you, Evelyn, you're smart and you pay your way, we want people like you...". It's shocking. If you care to open a single DM article and ready any comments, you will have a better understanding of what we have been dealing with since pre-Brexit, it's disgraceful.

AngelicKaty · 27/09/2025 12:11

CallMeEvelyn · 27/09/2025 07:55

@AngelicKaty Let me explain it better, because you are trying to be reassuring here and approach this with the classic British common sense which I value and I think many of us non-Brits have either acquired it ourselves by now or have thought similar in any event.

The issue is NOT if Reform is capable of renegotiating the Withdrawal Agreement. They are not.

The issue is whether they are likely to breach it AND go unpunished OR create real chaos in our lives before they go punished. That's the real risk, as legal challenges would be lengthy and costly, and I am positive that NF who idolises Trump would make changes to various international conventions and agreements setting out UK's participation if it suits his agenda. If he can't renegotiate, he will crash out.

Let me explain why this is not a pessimistic but realistic view.

I arrived here over 20 years ago with guaranteed equal rights as British people apart from voting in GE.

Those rights, guaranteed by EU law which was part of your legal order and international legal order, have been questioned and already limited - they will be lost if I leave for 5 years. This was never part of the deal. Your country has unilaterally decided to change my rights and EU had to compromise. I had no right to vote in Brexit vote - and neither did anyone in my position, yet, you decided on my rights and my life. This, in principle is unethical and questionable if lawful, as there has been no precedent here.

Now your own country is pushing this further - through Nigel Farage. So will it change? It MIGHT.

You made us total scapegoats which has nothing to do with reality. Since at least 2014 many of you, influenced by Farage, have made us feel unwelcome here and the content online posted about us is measured in millions of disgusting posts. Xenophobia in this country has been rife. None of this is British. This is what I and many of us still believe.

Where the problem is, it's in minimising the risks and only looking at one side of the narrative that makes you believe that everything will be fine. It hasn't been, it isn't, and there is zero guarantee from our perspective.

NF's rhethoric is already affecting even those EU individuals who hold UK citizenship. It's a paper. It doesn't change your name, accent or looks. People ARE made to feel unwelcome and have for over a decade because of these things. There is more than one way of making people leave, you know. Hostile environment is one of them.

British people need to stand against this with us. If you don't, is this what true British values are? Is this what you stand for? Or do you stand for nothing and have I been deeply mistaken for over 20 years now? I hope not.

Edited

Before I address your points I want to tell you how offensive your use of the word "you" is when you write about how you're treated in the UK, as if I would treat you with hostility when you know nothing about me. So, for the record, I think Farage, and all he stands for, is repugnant. He's an arch manipulator who is hell bent on creating a schism so deep in this country that I fear it will never recover (just as his hero, Trump, is doing in the US). I voted to Remain in the Brexit vote and stayed up all night to watch the result unfold. I was nervous - I knew it would be close, but I was sure we would win. I will never forget that night when David Dimbleby announced, at 4.40am, that the BBC were calling it for Brexit - "we're out" he said - I sat there dumb-founded for a few seconds and then burst into tears. I felt utterly defeated (and my usual "glass half-full" persona was crushed). This country has been immeasurably damaged by that vote, in so many ways, and will continue to be so, for decades (any recovery certainly won't happen in my lifetime). But please remember, the 48% of us who voted to Remain do not have the xenophobic, "little England" mindset you seem so happy to paint us all with (and I'm quite offended that you have).
So yes, I do tend to have a positive outlook, but that doesn't mean I'm minimising or dismissing your fears, or that I don't recognise what could happen if Farage came to power. And yes, I am trying to be reassuring to OP (not least because I firmly believe that the quiet majority of British people are not anti-immigrant, whilst recognising a significant, vocal minority are). But also because she posted she's "worried" - should I add to her worry and make her feel worse? That isn't what human beings do when others share their fears with us. Being reassuring isn't about being naive or unrealistic - it's about being kind - how would it help OP for me to share my darkest fears about what a Reform govt would bring? But even more than that, I have to believe our lawful democracy, our framework of laws (including the EU Withdrawal Agreement) will hold fast because that's what the majority of us want. And if our democracy looks like it may falter, it will be incumbent on all of us to stand up for it, to fight for it, to protect it and the people it protects. And in order for me to fight I have to believe it's a battle we will win, even though it will be hard (as the fight-back in the US is proving to be) - I cannot go into it consumed with fear about what might happen. In short, I cannot say to OP, you, or any other immigrant who has made a life in the UK "Yeah, go home - or somewhere else - all hope is lost here" because I simply don't believe that. I do understand, however, that you feel differently and I genuinely wish you well for a peaceful and happy future.

Pbjsand · 27/09/2025 12:16

I am a doctor at senior consultant level and work both privately and in the NHS (although this is irrelevant). I came over to the UK when I was 25 for a working holiday to do locums and travel Europe, but met a boy, fell in love, and the rest is history. I am a POC and not an economic immigrant (my dad is a fairly famous surgeon in my home country and life was charmed).
But over the past few months, I can’t believe the looks the energy I’ve been getting from people when racism has never even crossed my mind previously! For the first time in 21 years, I’m seriously considering going back.

LeonMccogh · 27/09/2025 12:16

Another Australian here who has speedily learnt to be quite snarky back to any thick xenophobe who pipes up.

CallMeEvelyn · 27/09/2025 12:18

@AngelicKaty

No offense was intended, your language does not distinguish between you as an individual in singular or in plural as a group of Britons. Are you offended I called it "your" language too? You (personally now) know what I've been referring and you (personally now) are picking a fight with this for no reason at all after I've illustrated your (personal) understanding of Nigel Farage's proposed policies that affect people like me (personally) was wrong. I never stated you (personally) offended me, wronged me or voted for Brexit or NF, however you (as a nation) have and do, and this is a fact which is causing damage to me personally and fellow EU citizens. Let's not twist things here, please.

StandFirm · 27/09/2025 12:22

Pbjsand · 27/09/2025 12:16

I am a doctor at senior consultant level and work both privately and in the NHS (although this is irrelevant). I came over to the UK when I was 25 for a working holiday to do locums and travel Europe, but met a boy, fell in love, and the rest is history. I am a POC and not an economic immigrant (my dad is a fairly famous surgeon in my home country and life was charmed).
But over the past few months, I can’t believe the looks the energy I’ve been getting from people when racism has never even crossed my mind previously! For the first time in 21 years, I’m seriously considering going back.

And it would be our loss.
I truly resent the fuckers who make you and anyone else who is not exactly like them feel that way.

Digdongdoo · 27/09/2025 12:28

FallingIntoAutumn · 27/09/2025 11:58

jesus, im so sorry this is what your experiencing (I know this is contentious!) we have the same bloody king. Not saying it’s ok for anyone to be on the receiving end. But we literally share a monarch and a history

Who else do we share a monarch and history with? Hasn't stopped hate in the past (and present) has it? Shared history and monarch only seem to matter when we're benefiting. The surprise in the case comes only from the that Australians are (largely) white...

LeonMccogh · 27/09/2025 12:28

Digdongdoo · 27/09/2025 12:28

Who else do we share a monarch and history with? Hasn't stopped hate in the past (and present) has it? Shared history and monarch only seem to matter when we're benefiting. The surprise in the case comes only from the that Australians are (largely) white...

New Zealanders

Digdongdoo · 27/09/2025 12:33

LeonMccogh · 27/09/2025 12:28

New Zealanders

Yeah and the rest... my point is that it doesn't mean much.

DIYagainstMould · 27/09/2025 12:34

LaDumDum · 26/09/2025 23:32

Naturalised Brit here - born and bred in a wealthy European (EU) country.
Moved to London in early 20s and worked, studied, married here. Own a house (mortgage) and my state and private pension contributions are all in the UK not my country of birth. I am in my very late 40ss now and don't expect to be a 60K+ earner by the time Farage might become PM. Youngest dc will be nearly done with their schooling and maybe DH and I will move to another European country but I'm not sure I feel resilient enough to start over when our lives and children's lives are here.

What we all should do? Take the threat of Farage and Reform very seriously.
Don't underestimate the influencing campaigns they are running, they are very successful. DOn't visit the Daily Mail, even though some active are entering at times, they are very happy to stir up hatred against foreigners and did so during the Brexit referendum.

Join the Labour Party or Lib Dems, or perhaps the Greens (if you must 😜) donate money to a party you find palatable and help them campaign in local elections. Counter racist xenophobic bullshit online, every time.

Stand up and say something when people around you (colleagues, family, friends, school mum on the school run etc etc) casually engage in hateful rhetoric.

We really do have to fight this. My dc will be old enough to vote and I am encouraging them to join a political party.

The same nationalism as here can be found in other European countries, including the country of my birth. Rich, white European huddled together talking about the immigration problem. They've been brainwashed and now feel emboldened.

It's quite clear that this narrative has been stoked. It's not by coincidence.

Thank you, balanced, all round informed lifestyle usually brings good result

CallMeEvelyn · 27/09/2025 12:43

And actually, @AngelicKaty one more thing - you stating I was supposedly offensive when it is down to the language structure of the English language itself and you could have very easily gathered from my posts that was blatantly not the case is offensive.

Clearly I don't fit into your landscape of a perfect immigrant who never dares to criticise anything, after all shouldn't we be grateful to even exist? There's a clear undertone to your unfounded accusation and to multiple other posts from other posters on this thread which is either deliberate or completely tone deaf. I have no intention of arguing with you or them, if I'm not a "good immigrant" in your eyes because I am honest about things unlike many Britons who prefer to ignore or deny them because they don't like discomfort, then so be it. I'm signing off now - wishing you well too, genuinely, not condescendingly.

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 27/09/2025 12:50

Muffinmam · 27/09/2025 08:56

There was obviously a reason she chose not to become a citizen. Perhaps subconsciously she wishes to return home.

She does have citizenship, she has mentioned it in a couple of posts

MaurineWayBack · 27/09/2025 12:54

AngelicKaty · 27/09/2025 12:11

Before I address your points I want to tell you how offensive your use of the word "you" is when you write about how you're treated in the UK, as if I would treat you with hostility when you know nothing about me. So, for the record, I think Farage, and all he stands for, is repugnant. He's an arch manipulator who is hell bent on creating a schism so deep in this country that I fear it will never recover (just as his hero, Trump, is doing in the US). I voted to Remain in the Brexit vote and stayed up all night to watch the result unfold. I was nervous - I knew it would be close, but I was sure we would win. I will never forget that night when David Dimbleby announced, at 4.40am, that the BBC were calling it for Brexit - "we're out" he said - I sat there dumb-founded for a few seconds and then burst into tears. I felt utterly defeated (and my usual "glass half-full" persona was crushed). This country has been immeasurably damaged by that vote, in so many ways, and will continue to be so, for decades (any recovery certainly won't happen in my lifetime). But please remember, the 48% of us who voted to Remain do not have the xenophobic, "little England" mindset you seem so happy to paint us all with (and I'm quite offended that you have).
So yes, I do tend to have a positive outlook, but that doesn't mean I'm minimising or dismissing your fears, or that I don't recognise what could happen if Farage came to power. And yes, I am trying to be reassuring to OP (not least because I firmly believe that the quiet majority of British people are not anti-immigrant, whilst recognising a significant, vocal minority are). But also because she posted she's "worried" - should I add to her worry and make her feel worse? That isn't what human beings do when others share their fears with us. Being reassuring isn't about being naive or unrealistic - it's about being kind - how would it help OP for me to share my darkest fears about what a Reform govt would bring? But even more than that, I have to believe our lawful democracy, our framework of laws (including the EU Withdrawal Agreement) will hold fast because that's what the majority of us want. And if our democracy looks like it may falter, it will be incumbent on all of us to stand up for it, to fight for it, to protect it and the people it protects. And in order for me to fight I have to believe it's a battle we will win, even though it will be hard (as the fight-back in the US is proving to be) - I cannot go into it consumed with fear about what might happen. In short, I cannot say to OP, you, or any other immigrant who has made a life in the UK "Yeah, go home - or somewhere else - all hope is lost here" because I simply don't believe that. I do understand, however, that you feel differently and I genuinely wish you well for a peaceful and happy future.

If you took @CallMeEvelyn post personally so that you interpretated the You as an attack in yourself, then I’m going to say she was right and this is exactly how you think.

Croakymccroakyvoice · 27/09/2025 12:54

Pbjsand · 27/09/2025 12:16

I am a doctor at senior consultant level and work both privately and in the NHS (although this is irrelevant). I came over to the UK when I was 25 for a working holiday to do locums and travel Europe, but met a boy, fell in love, and the rest is history. I am a POC and not an economic immigrant (my dad is a fairly famous surgeon in my home country and life was charmed).
But over the past few months, I can’t believe the looks the energy I’ve been getting from people when racism has never even crossed my mind previously! For the first time in 21 years, I’m seriously considering going back.

And you aren't alone. Partha Kar (a hero of mine as a Mum to a Type 1 diabetic) recently shared some of the comments he had received after sharing a post about positive flag waving. I'll attach pictures (give it a minute) and I was absolutely disgusted.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/author/dr-partha-kar/

Are all of us foreigners just going to be told to pack up and leave if Reform win?
Are all of us foreigners just going to be told to pack up and leave if Reform win?
Are all of us foreigners just going to be told to pack up and leave if Reform win?
redalex261 · 27/09/2025 12:55

I seriously doubt there will be an attempt to deport/repatriate foreign nationals or naturalised people living and working in the UK. Apart from anything else they’re needed to keep the lights on. There is a serious issue with illegal immigration and the failure to facilitate swift removal of illegal migrants and those convicted of crimes - successive governments have failed and lied repeatedly over this. I genuinely fear a Reform win as those in the Westminster bubble and lanyard brigade completely underestimate the negative effects of mass migration on the communities negatively affected - they don’t see it because they don’t live in these places. If current mainstream politicians don’t move their collective arses to deal with this at pace with they may as well hand over the keys to Downing Street.

DIYagainstMould · 27/09/2025 13:02

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DIYagainstMould · 27/09/2025 13:06

Muffinmam · 27/09/2025 08:56

There was obviously a reason she chose not to become a citizen. Perhaps subconsciously she wishes to return home.

You have rerouted the thread about Evelyn.. the op is another. Go back and repost

FeministThrowingAPrincessParty · 27/09/2025 13:11

I haven’t RTFT but just wanted to say, you are welcome here. Not that I have any authority to say that as I live and work here in an Irish passport. Maybe that arrangement will be revoked!
I consider myself a global citizen so your group of friends with mixed marriages is very familiar to me.
while I understand people’s concerns in terms of access to resources and services eg NHS, I just do not understand the hatred and othering. I have lived and work in Europe, Africa and Australia. I have visited most other countries. People are people. Yes, there are finial differences, but there are British people I like and dislike and Kenyan people I like and dislike. People need to open their hearts and minds. There are political, economic and systemic reasons for the difficulties Britain is facing. Immigrants are not the problem. They are a distraction from real issues around economic growth.

TwelvePiecesOfFlair · 27/09/2025 13:14

Twiglets1 · 27/09/2025 07:45

I just googled dual citizenship in EU countries as it has been mentioned a few times on this thread.

EU countries that offer dual citizenship are Germany, Greece, France, Ireland, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, Hungary, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Malta, Portugal, Spain, Poland, Sweden.

No, this is wrong. Spain does not allow dual nationality with the UK for a start.

Twiglets1 · 27/09/2025 13:16

TwelvePiecesOfFlair · 27/09/2025 13:14

No, this is wrong. Spain does not allow dual nationality with the UK for a start.

UK allows dual nationality with Spain

DIYagainstMould · 27/09/2025 13:19

EarthlyNightshade · 27/09/2025 10:32

It's depressing that within a week, the "oh, I don't mean you" rhetoric has morphed from "oh, I don't mean you, I mean the boat people" to "oh, I don't mean you, you're white, earning over 60k ... you can stay, so long as neither of those things change and you don't claim any benefits."

I am Irish (not earning 60K), low on Nigel's hit list but on it nonetheless. Will he try to deport me before he goes for SEN kids and disabled adults? It doesn't even matter if he does. He has changed the discourse of the country for it to be ok for the general public to be questioning my "value".

They already prepared for the extinction of the elderly and disabled _ euthanasia

ChattyChicken · 27/09/2025 13:20

TwelvePiecesOfFlair · 27/09/2025 13:14

No, this is wrong. Spain does not allow dual nationality with the UK for a start.

Funnily enough it has a limited list of countries it allows dual citizenship with. One being Portugal.

AngelicKaty · 27/09/2025 13:25

CallMeEvelyn · 27/09/2025 12:18

@AngelicKaty

No offense was intended, your language does not distinguish between you as an individual in singular or in plural as a group of Britons. Are you offended I called it "your" language too? You (personally now) know what I've been referring and you (personally now) are picking a fight with this for no reason at all after I've illustrated your (personal) understanding of Nigel Farage's proposed policies that affect people like me (personally) was wrong. I never stated you (personally) offended me, wronged me or voted for Brexit or NF, however you (as a nation) have and do, and this is a fact which is causing damage to me personally and fellow EU citizens. Let's not twist things here, please.

Edited

So you (personally) didn't take on board anything I wrote then. Great.
The English language may not distinguish between You Singular and You Plural, but had you written "Some British people (instead of "You") made us total scapegoats which has nothing to do with reality. Since at least 2014 many of them (instead of "you"), influenced by Farage, have made us feel unwelcome here and the content online posted about us is measured in millions of disgusting posts." I would not have been offended. I haven't scapegoated or made any immigrants feel unwelcome - quite the opposite - and I'm sure you (personally) know that you could have used the third person (as I've shown above) so as not to appear accusatory to me personally, but you (personally) chose not to.
I can't make my position any clearer about my revulsion for Farage and his ilk than I did in my previous post, but you've chosen to ignore everything I've written. You and I are clearly on the same side, yet you seem determined to argue with me whilst accusing me of arguing, simply because we have a different way of responding to OP's worry. I give up.

AngelicKaty · 27/09/2025 13:30

MaurineWayBack · 27/09/2025 12:54

If you took @CallMeEvelyn post personally so that you interpretated the You as an attack in yourself, then I’m going to say she was right and this is exactly how you think.

Wow. Thank you for not reading, much less understanding, a single word I wrote.

localnotail · 27/09/2025 13:30

StandFirm · 27/09/2025 08:00

But 'proven terrorists' in Trump speak nowadays means anyone vaguely left leaning or just 'the wrong type'...
That would effectively mean your acquired citizenship (and your rights as a born and bred citizen as well) wouldn't be worth the paper the passport is printed on.

Scary times...

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