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Are all of us foreigners just going to be told to pack up and leave if Reform win?

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Onegingerhead · 26/09/2025 16:03

I might be totally unreasonable here (or not), but please hear me out.
(Bloody) foreigner here — I’ve lived in the UK since 2001. Built my whole life here: house, husband, DC, the lot. Worked the whole time in a field that requires the highest level of qualification.
I’m getting increasingly worried about the talk of Reform winning in 2029. Some even say it could be sooner if Labour are pushed into early elections. This week (as we all heard) our beloved Reform suggested rescinding ILR or even settled status from Europeans. God knows what else they’ll come up with, I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they went after naturalised Brits next and started revoking citizenship, just to please the voters.
I know a lot of foreign-born women — some married to born-and-bred Brits, some to other Europeans (not always from the same country), some to men from overseas. All sorts of combinations.
So what do you think lies ahead for us? Will we be politely asked to leave, or will things just get so hostile that we’re pushed out anyway? And how likely is it that people who aren’t very white, or who have an accent, will face more discrimination in work?
I’m meeting my foreign friends tonight and we’ll be talking about it. For most of us, moving now would be incredibly difficult. We’re late 30s to early 50s, and starting over in a new country isn’t exactly easy. Some of us are married to men from different countries entirely, and we don’t even speak each other’s languages well enough to get proper jobs there.

AIBU and should think we will actually be allowed to stay?
AINBU sorry but you’d better start planning your move now

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StandFirm · 27/09/2025 08:56

Livelovebehappy · 27/09/2025 08:48

Oh I absolutely respect her right to dislike our country. Afterall, we’re all individuals who have our own opinions. And that’s fine. But there was a lot of information in that post that suggests the poster hates the UK. I couldn’t see anything positive, and she seems very unhappy.

I read every one of OP's posts and there is no hatred or dislike for our country whatsoever! How dare you suggest such a thing. She is rightly concerned for the future of the country that she actively chose. It wasn't an accident of birth for her, it was an active choice to be here and now she's worried that might get thrown back in her face! Loathing Reform does not equate loathing the country - I would in fact argue it's quite the opposite!

Muffinmam · 27/09/2025 08:56

verycloakanddaggers · 26/09/2025 16:58

That's the op's point though - she isn't a citizen but has ILR/settled status.

There was obviously a reason she chose not to become a citizen. Perhaps subconsciously she wishes to return home.

lljkk · 27/09/2025 08:56

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 26/09/2025 17:28

I'm not interested in what is happening in the US because I am in the UK and it's irrelevant. In fact, I'm not sure why you brought it up at all.

What's happening in USA is very relevant.
Reform are using Trumpism as template for what Reform want to try to do in UK.

Reform are probably hoping to clone Project25.
Like OP I also feel threatened & targeted as foreign born person, even though I naturalised > 10 yrs ago & have lived in UK 30+ yrs.

Positives:
British democracy has better safeguards against executive overreach imho, although Americans probably would have argued opposite not long ago (!!). British society is more generally aware of how dependent Britain is on skilled immigrants, Britain is more generally insecure culturally, and if anything embraces that insecurity, won't easily embrace the cocky Trumpist "We can be bullies because we're the most powerful that's just how the universe is." The tradition of free press is possibly stronger in Britain than it is in USA. Farage does not have large group of cult-like adherents similar to MAGA.

To be pessimistic about:
The xenophobic streak in British culture is far huger than xenophobic streak in USA. So local hostility & violent attacks against asylum seeker residences, I imagine could soar under Reform govt. Reform govt might politically impede prosecutions of ppl advocating violence against "foreign criminals", too.

Muffinmam · 27/09/2025 08:58

MookieCat · 26/09/2025 17:02

I am Australian and I have Indefinite Leave to Remain. I have been here since 2005. My husband is British. My two sons were born here in 2010 and 2012.

One of the reasons I left my last professional job in 2022 was because my line manager (in a law firm of all places) started screaming in my face about fucking migrants and 'British jobs for British people'. The equity partners just shrugged and said 'you know what she is like'.

I feel real anger and fear at Reform's idea they will rescind the permanent visas of legal migrants. I have made my life here. My family is here. There are deeply personal reasons why I never took British citizenship, but i have paid untold taxes and am a net contributor on my own, never mind my household being a net contributing household.

I'm ready to give up on the UK. Everywhere I turn I am being taxed to the fucking hilt and I am being told I am not welcome here. I see this country I loved going to the dogs. I have options. My children are dual cits and have options. DH and I have discussed cutting and running. It's sad tbh. because this was always emant to be where we and our children lived out our days. No more. I don't care anymore.

Come back home!! (Fellow Australian here).

Livelovebehappy · 27/09/2025 08:58

Anxious2024 · 27/09/2025 08:44

I didn’t say he shouldn’t be given any airtime. I said why so much - a disproportionate amount IMO. Especially when so much of what he says foments hatred and makes life harder for many of our communities here in the UK.

I dont think he gets a disproportionate amount of time than for example Labour. I know Labour are in government so will get a lot of airtime, obviously, but like any party in opposition, Reform are just taking advantage of the chaos Labour are in with just about everything. I predict in the local elections next year that Reform will wipe the floor with the mainstream parties. But local elections are normally used as a protest vote. If Labour then continue to ignore the electorate, then Reform will get in at the next general elections. Instead of blaming Reform and the media for their increasing airtime, blame this incompetent government for inviting it.

Timelineuk · 27/09/2025 09:00

Livelovebehappy · 27/09/2025 08:16

He’s given airtime because we live in a democracy. However unpalatable you might find his views, they appeal to a section of the community here in the UK, so I’m afraid you can’t close him down just because you don’t like what he says.

We live in a democracy 😂 funny aren’t you!

Livelovebehappy · 27/09/2025 09:00

CharlotteRumpling · 27/09/2025 08:51

I really wish people constantly repeating that Farage only cares about illegal immigrants and is just fine with legal ones would read the thread or keep up with his latest announcements. Please do your homework.

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But people are not understanding and taking some of what he says out of context and deliberately scaremongering.

StandFirm · 27/09/2025 09:00

lljkk · 27/09/2025 08:56

What's happening in USA is very relevant.
Reform are using Trumpism as template for what Reform want to try to do in UK.

Reform are probably hoping to clone Project25.
Like OP I also feel threatened & targeted as foreign born person, even though I naturalised > 10 yrs ago & have lived in UK 30+ yrs.

Positives:
British democracy has better safeguards against executive overreach imho, although Americans probably would have argued opposite not long ago (!!). British society is more generally aware of how dependent Britain is on skilled immigrants, Britain is more generally insecure culturally, and if anything embraces that insecurity, won't easily embrace the cocky Trumpist "We can be bullies because we're the most powerful that's just how the universe is." The tradition of free press is possibly stronger in Britain than it is in USA. Farage does not have large group of cult-like adherents similar to MAGA.

To be pessimistic about:
The xenophobic streak in British culture is far huger than xenophobic streak in USA. So local hostility & violent attacks against asylum seeker residences, I imagine could soar under Reform govt. Reform govt might politically impede prosecutions of ppl advocating violence against "foreign criminals", too.

I also think the UK would be even more vulnerable even more quickly than the US because we're not a federation like the US and we don't have a written constitution.

Livelovebehappy · 27/09/2025 09:01

Timelineuk · 27/09/2025 09:00

We live in a democracy 😂 funny aren’t you!

You think we don’t? Examples?

EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 09:02

StandFirm · 27/09/2025 08:56

I read every one of OP's posts and there is no hatred or dislike for our country whatsoever! How dare you suggest such a thing. She is rightly concerned for the future of the country that she actively chose. It wasn't an accident of birth for her, it was an active choice to be here and now she's worried that might get thrown back in her face! Loathing Reform does not equate loathing the country - I would in fact argue it's quite the opposite!

I think it’s a comment on a different poster not the op.

WonderingWanda · 27/09/2025 09:03

I do not support reform and absolutely think you should be allowed to stay. I cannot imagine a future where Nigel Farage is my prime minister and I am really quite terrified by the thought of Reform gaining power. I might have to consider leaving myself if that happens.

Livelovebehappy · 27/09/2025 09:04

StandFirm · 27/09/2025 08:56

I read every one of OP's posts and there is no hatred or dislike for our country whatsoever! How dare you suggest such a thing. She is rightly concerned for the future of the country that she actively chose. It wasn't an accident of birth for her, it was an active choice to be here and now she's worried that might get thrown back in her face! Loathing Reform does not equate loathing the country - I would in fact argue it's quite the opposite!

I think you’re confused… I’m not referring to the OPs post. I was in in fact responding to another poster’s post…..

Abhannmor · 27/09/2025 09:04

You assume Reform have a plan. You flatter them.

CharlotteRumpling · 27/09/2025 09:04

Livelovebehappy · 27/09/2025 09:00

But people are not understanding and taking some of what he says out of context and deliberately scaremongering.

I should probably leave this thread as I have posted too much already. Farage's and Yusuf's policy on legal ILR holders is crystal clear. Most posters just don't know what it is and think it's dodgy.
He has announced abolishing the scheme, retrospective effect, raising salary limits to £ 60 k, periodic renewal at great cost... what have I misunderstood?

Twiglets1 · 27/09/2025 09:05

Livelovebehappy · 27/09/2025 08:58

I dont think he gets a disproportionate amount of time than for example Labour. I know Labour are in government so will get a lot of airtime, obviously, but like any party in opposition, Reform are just taking advantage of the chaos Labour are in with just about everything. I predict in the local elections next year that Reform will wipe the floor with the mainstream parties. But local elections are normally used as a protest vote. If Labour then continue to ignore the electorate, then Reform will get in at the next general elections. Instead of blaming Reform and the media for their increasing airtime, blame this incompetent government for inviting it.

I agree that people tend to use local elections for protest votes to express their unhappiness with the big parties.

More careful with their vote in general elections which is why it has been a 2 horse race for a long time now between Labour & Conservatives.

Unfortunately we do now have a third party capable of being elected which is a very divisive and controversial party.

moderate · 27/09/2025 09:05

Timelineuk · 27/09/2025 09:00

We live in a democracy 😂 funny aren’t you!

I hope you never live to learn how complacent you are.

Twiglets1 · 27/09/2025 09:08

Of course we live in a democracy.

EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 09:09

moderate · 27/09/2025 09:05

I hope you never live to learn how complacent you are.

Hopefully we won’t. If that pp wishes to find out elsewhere then ok.

CharlotteRumpling · 27/09/2025 09:16

It's going to be interesting-well not interesting but awful- when all those on benefits and pensions who vote Reform to get foreign ' scroungers' out find their own benefits and pensions will be decimated.

Buttercupflowers · 27/09/2025 09:24

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DrinkFeckArseBrick · 27/09/2025 09:28

My husband is in the same position as the OP. Been here for years (more years than his home country), a net contributor (high earner, always worked, volunteers), speaks with a uk accent, bought property, we have British children.

He hasn't got uk citizenship as thought he never needed it, its expensive, also he travels for work and Brexit has made this a bit harder than on his EU passport.

Now it looks like reform are happy to have him...as long as he is fit and well. But what happens when we get old, or if he got made redundant, or if he got sick. It sounds like Farage would want to deny him benefits despite him working here his entire working life, or boot him back to his home country leaving his wife children and property. Realistically we'd go too, leaving the country worse off as I also earn well.

Lots of people saying 'he should just get citizenship' - yes I think we're at the stage where he should. But it's a bitter pill to swallow spending £2k to formally stay in a country that already said you could formally stay in that you've already contributed to far more than most people, where a lot of people 'don't hate you, just the other ones like you'

certainlycertain · 27/09/2025 09:28

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 26/09/2025 17:28

I'm not interested in what is happening in the US because I am in the UK and it's irrelevant. In fact, I'm not sure why you brought it up at all.

If you can't see why I brought it up at all, that explains a lot.

MookieCat · 27/09/2025 09:33

CharlotteRumpling · 27/09/2025 09:04

I should probably leave this thread as I have posted too much already. Farage's and Yusuf's policy on legal ILR holders is crystal clear. Most posters just don't know what it is and think it's dodgy.
He has announced abolishing the scheme, retrospective effect, raising salary limits to £ 60 k, periodic renewal at great cost... what have I misunderstood?

You haven't misunderstood anything.

My charitable interpretation of posters banging on about 'illegals' is that they simply cannot comprehend that what Farage has actually said (and what has been reported ad infinitum on this same thread) can possibly be true.

After all- who on earth would believe that legal migrants who have already mjumped through all the hoops, and paid all the costs might be deported. Who would believe that such people who have honestly made their lives here for decades might be kicked out? It seems too strange to be true. So these posters simply have a complete mental blank at what they have been told. They can't actually understand what the papers are reporting and the words that literally come out of Farage's own mouth.

My less charitable interpretation is.... less charitable.

FallingIntoAutumn · 27/09/2025 09:33

I’m currently watching outrageous. A series set in the 1930’s about a family of sisters. It’s documenting the rise of fascism.
its eerily familiar, and eerily scary.

im worried. Very worried.

Digdongdoo · 27/09/2025 09:34

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