Are all of us foreigners just going to be told to pack up and leave if Reform win?

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I might be totally unreasonable here (or not), but please hear me out.
(Bloody) foreigner here — I’ve lived in the UK since 2001. Built my whole life here: house, husband, DC, the lot. Worked the whole time in a field that requires the highest level of qualification.
I’m getting increasingly worried about the talk of Reform winning in 2029. Some even say it could be sooner if Labour are pushed into early elections. This week (as we all heard) our beloved Reform suggested rescinding ILR or even settled status from Europeans. God knows what else they’ll come up with, I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they went after naturalised Brits next and started revoking citizenship, just to please the voters.
I know a lot of foreign-born women — some married to born-and-bred Brits, some to other Europeans (not always from the same country), some to men from overseas. All sorts of combinations.
So what do you think lies ahead for us? Will we be politely asked to leave, or will things just get so hostile that we’re pushed out anyway? And how likely is it that people who aren’t very white, or who have an accent, will face more discrimination in work?
I’m meeting my foreign friends tonight and we’ll be talking about it. For most of us, moving now would be incredibly difficult. We’re late 30s to early 50s, and starting over in a new country isn’t exactly easy. Some of us are married to men from different countries entirely, and we don’t even speak each other’s languages well enough to get proper jobs there.

AIBU and should think we will actually be allowed to stay?
AINBU sorry but you’d better start planning your move now

Yes that’s the danger.

I really think those that are disaffected with Labour should ask themselves what is the alternative?

Infighting amongst Labour voters just makes it more likely Reform could get elected which is presumably the last thing most would want.

I don't get a single "hatred" vibe from that poster's post at all. She's very realistic (perhaps just blunter than you) and in some ways sarcastic, doh, maybe she's become British to some extent, after all. You might not like what she said, but it doesn't make it untrue and there's nothing in it to suggest she hates your country as you're trying to make out.

Meanwhile, the supposedly ‘intelligent’ amongst us are happy for the current status quo, ie, a system that’s not fit for purpose. A system where you can’t access a basic need like an nhs dentist, or you have to be in a queue of 30 people on the phone just to get a GP appointment, or a wait in our A&E for 8 hours due to the knock on effect of people using it like an extension of their GPs because it’s impossible to get an appointment. Yep, let’s applaud the great NHS in its current format. Brilliant isn’t it? Or just maybe, let’s have a government who is brave enough tackle 5he NHS, and if difficult decisions need to be made about how or if it’s funded, then so be it. It’s a money pit, and successive governments can’t ‘fix’ it.

He’s given airtime because we live in a democracy. However unpalatable you might find his views, they appeal to a section of the community here in the UK, so I’m afraid you can’t close him down just because you don’t like what he says.

Makes a change from "we're being silenced" I suppose...

So you are happy to give a mainstream platform to bigots?

If Farage has a realistic plan of fixing the NHS that he can debate, I'm here to listen. Let's start from top, reduce unnecesary bureaucracy, top-heaviness and inefficiencies there, IT issues, equipment and patient safety issues, renegotiate contracts with all staff that your country trains and lets loose allowing not to work in public health service or do minimum hours...paying crazy rates for locums...the list goes on.

To say it's ok and "democratic" to give a public platform to a man blaming lawful immigrants from the EU for this mess is not only wrong and lacking credibility, but also misses the fundamental point that the NHS would not have survived at all without us. Alas, this is what Farage wants, as mentioned many pages earlier in this thread.

The same "democracy" arguments were made in 1933 about someone else, if you recall. That went well.

It’s not whether individuals are happy with Farage being given a platform.

It’s true what @Livelovebehappy said which is that because Britain is a democracy the media will give airtime to all the main political parties.

Of which Reform has become one, despite being very divisive.

Didn’t say they were - I gave the Netherlands as an example of an eu country.

But it’s also relevant for other countries too, not just the eu. Do we not care about them?

You're contradicting yourself.

If individuals in this country aren't happy with Farage, why is he given a platform?

If they are and he is given a platform, are you saying you are a nation of bigots?

Either way - it is very concerning you are defending this.

So 9 that don’t.

The individuals in this country are all different. Some are happy with what Farage is saying and many aren’t. When enough people express interest in what a political party is saying, their platform grows.

Farage has been given a platform but no that doesn’t make us “a nation of bigots”. That is an offensive thing to say but I know you don’t care about that.

Are there some bigots within British society- Yes.
Are we all bigots - No.

The majority of people in Britain wouldn’t vote Reform but a sizeable minority would which is why the media give them a platform. We also give a platform to all the other political parties despite not everyone agreeing with them either.

NF's proposals would wreck the lives of millions - at the very least cause financial ruin for those long term immigrants who have built everything in this country and may be arbitrarily forced to leave. It's disgusting, but let's face it, his base, like Trump's base, ENJOYS the cruelty. It makes them feel powerful in a world that they think has stolen everything from them (because that's where the brainwashing starts). It's the worst of human nature to relish finding more vulnerable than you and kick them into the dirt. The crueller the better.

Others do under certain circumstances but yes it’s harder in the EU countries not on that list and not always possible at all.

But can’t you see that a majority of people don’t think he’s a bigot? The mainstream parties shouldn't be afraid of debating with supposed bigots, if they get their shit together and listen to the electorate. Realistically speaking Labour and the Tories could wipe the floor with him if they actually listen to what their voters want, and implement it. When governments don’t listen, thats when other fringe parties get in the door.

Oh please enough of this coming for free stuff nonsense it's getting old now, if this was the case and he was only concerned about the "illegals" as you call them why was his whole speech about legal immigrants? This thread is about those from the EU who may be ok (although I wouldn't trust him as far as I can throw him) because of the agreement but what about all the others, my daughter in law for example is Australian, she is on a spouse visa, they have a young baby, my son has taken over running our family business but earns nowhere near 60k, you need to think about the bigger picture and think of all the lives that will be affected by this disgusting attack on innocent people

I didn’t say he shouldn’t be given any airtime. I said why so much - a disproportionate amount IMO. Especially when so much of what he says foments hatred and makes life harder for many of our communities here in the UK.

Who gets to decide what constitutes “bigoted”?

if you have a better political system than liberal democracy, I’m here to listen.

I used to be like you — assured of my own place on the right side of history, ready to dismiss people who disagreed with me as simpletons taken in by charlatans.

Then I found myself branded a bigot for daring to believe that sex matters in various areas of law and society. And I started to wonder who else’s voices might be being shouted down by loud people with luxury beliefs.

So yes, the Overton window is moving to “the right”, because “the left” have abandoned good governance. Farage et al are the effect of that, not the cause.

(Scare-quotes around “the left” and “the right” because they’re increasingly meaningless terms.)

Twiglets, you are rolling out your false personal accusations against me on here like a Trumpian pro because your derailing, endless, confused, self-contradictory posts do not have much substance. There is no surprise here. Please do not engage further with me, I have stopped re-engaging with you a while ago.

To make it very clear for the umpteenth time, I said in numerous posts on this thread that I do not believe Farage's "values" are British and I remain hopeful in British public.

I have no hope in minimizers and apologists.

And no, a party based on bigotry, racism and xenophobia should not be given a "democratic" platform because its policies are unlawful and immoral. If you believe otherwise, you are, as always, confused.

Oh I absolutely respect her right to dislike our country. Afterall, we’re all individuals who have our own opinions. And that’s fine. But there was a lot of information in that post that suggests the poster hates the UK. I couldn’t see anything positive, and she seems very unhappy.

Yes a welfare review would need to happen.

I have made no personal accusations against you beyond that you don’t care about offending people which you have said yourself 🤷🏼‍♀️

I really wish people constantly repeating that Farage only cares about illegal immigrants and is just fine with legal ones would read the thread or keep up with his latest announcements. Please do your homework.

This isn’t the 1930’s/40’s.

Scaremongering isn’t helping.

Um Windrush cough cough...

Hopefully not. Would be a travesty to lose the people who have moved here from abroad who are actually contributing to society. And living by the values of the country.