Are all of us foreigners just going to be told to pack up and leave if Reform win?

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I might be totally unreasonable here (or not), but please hear me out.
(Bloody) foreigner here — I’ve lived in the UK since 2001. Built my whole life here: house, husband, DC, the lot. Worked the whole time in a field that requires the highest level of qualification.
I’m getting increasingly worried about the talk of Reform winning in 2029. Some even say it could be sooner if Labour are pushed into early elections. This week (as we all heard) our beloved Reform suggested rescinding ILR or even settled status from Europeans. God knows what else they’ll come up with, I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they went after naturalised Brits next and started revoking citizenship, just to please the voters.
I know a lot of foreign-born women — some married to born-and-bred Brits, some to other Europeans (not always from the same country), some to men from overseas. All sorts of combinations.
So what do you think lies ahead for us? Will we be politely asked to leave, or will things just get so hostile that we’re pushed out anyway? And how likely is it that people who aren’t very white, or who have an accent, will face more discrimination in work?
I’m meeting my foreign friends tonight and we’ll be talking about it. For most of us, moving now would be incredibly difficult. We’re late 30s to early 50s, and starting over in a new country isn’t exactly easy. Some of us are married to men from different countries entirely, and we don’t even speak each other’s languages well enough to get proper jobs there.

AIBU and should think we will actually be allowed to stay?
AINBU sorry but you’d better start planning your move now

@Livelovebehappy "I dont(sic) get why some people aren’t intelligent enough to acknowledge the fact that many people keep their voting intentions private." I'm intelligent enough to know that when people keep their voting intentions private, I can't possibly know what they are and so I shouldn't be making assumptions about them.

We know that the people who arrive here by small boat are a mix of genuine asylum seekers (displaced by war and persecution) and economic migrants from safe, but poor, countries like Albania.
Anyone who arrives on a small boat who doesn't claim asylum is an illegal immigrant and can be returned to France. Anyone who claims asylum is not an illegal immigrant (unless and until their claim is refused) and will be accommodated whilst their claim is being investigated and processed. If their asylum claim is refused they can be deported.
Apart from the resettlement schemes for Hong Kong Chinese, Afghanis and Ukrainians, we have no safe, legal routes to the UK for asylum seekers, yet we require them to be in the UK in order to claim asylum, forcing them to pay £000's to people smugglers in the same way illegal immigrants do.
Both Starmer's tweet and FB post are about illegal immigrants, not asylum seekers.

Tell that to the millions of jews who historically have been thrown out of many countries of which they were citizens.

If you are genuinely displaced by war and persecution why would you further risk your life and pay smugglers thousands of pounds instead of seeking asylum in the first safe country?

The Netherlands doesn’t allow it apart from in some limited circumstances. I don’t know about others.

I know china and India both don’t allow it.

That's what people thought about Brexit.

Since when have china and India been in the EU?

The idea of a degenerate Reform government negotiating with the EU is just laughable.

Why is Nigel Farage given so much airtime? Every time he speaks the Overton window moves more to the right. Now his followers are apparently salivating at the thought of getting rid of all “foreigners”. How has it come to this?

My dc are mixed race and I worry about a future where they are threatened.

We have dual nationality (EU) due to my Mum which at least feels like we may have options, but this right wing rhetoric is not just in the UK and it isn’t so easy to up sticks and start elsewhere. Though I agree with you @SwanEater the standard of living in the UK has gone down a lot. All this talk of what hurdles people will now (after Brexit) have to go through for the privilege of being able to live and work here ~ however due to the hateful rhetoric and the declining opportunities a lot of people no longer want to come here a. and a lot of people who contributed in all ways and paid a lot of tax have left b.

All these broadcasters who are happy to give Reform with their 5 MPs air time on prime time TV need to run segments with the people who these “policy ideas” will impact speaking frankly about the reality of what this all means for them, people like them in our communities and for the country as a whole. People are so ignorant and need it spelling out to them.

Here’s to hoping . The most morally bankrupt ineffective government in recent history .

This doesn’t sound correct. The people returned to France are asylum seekers but to be processed within the French system.

If you have a look at who is being returned you’ll see it’s people who have just arrived, taken to centres then returned.

They haven’t been processed when they arrive so how would you or KS know if they are asylum seekers or illegal immigrants?

They aren’t great but I still think better than the Tories were and they had many more years in power to achieve something & miserably failed.

That’s one of the problems - people who get disillusioned with Labour still won’t want to vote Tory because of the shitshow last time they were in power.

That may be how people feel but it does mean that people pissed off with Labour / Starmer, and there seem to be many, go to Reform instead.

Does that mean you can vote? fully participate?
No I think its illegals, overstayers etc who have cause for concern, however I'm curious to know why, if its the case, someone has been here over 20 years but still not arranged citizenship so they can vote etc. Apologies if I misunderstood your status.

@AngelicKaty I suggest you actually read my very clear posts in which I showed an explained evidence of my own status and latest info from 3Million which debunks what you repeatedly and wrongly said on this thread.

I am not repeating the same again - you are, and yet again you're incorrect. Comes across like a broken record or a political plant explaining points wrongly to an individual who actually provided the relevant explanations and evidence and is directly affected by the policies. Please have a rethink, I invite you, as I'm sure many of us on here being tired of your incorrect posts.

That’s a danger yes. If there was a better alternative to Labour and the Tories then Reform would not be such a threat.

I just googled dual citizenship in EU countries as it has been mentioned a few times on this thread.

EU countries that offer dual citizenship are Germany, Greece, France, Ireland, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, Hungary, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Malta, Portugal, Spain, Poland, Sweden.

Yes, Reform will win, and racists will be emboldened. But most voters just want the asylum system changed so that we don’t have to pay to host people while an ever-increasing backlog is processed. So that’s where change will be focused. Not kicking out people who’ve made their contributions here.

@AngelicKaty Let me explain it better, because you are trying to be reassuring here and approach this with the classic British common sense which I value and I think many of us non-Brits have either acquired it ourselves by now or have thought similar in any event.

The issue is NOT if Reform is capable of renegotiating the Withdrawal Agreement. They are not.

The issue is whether they are likely to breach it AND go unpunished OR create real chaos in our lives before they go punished. That's the real risk, as legal challenges would be lengthy and costly, and I am positive that NF who idolises Trump would make changes to various international conventions and agreements setting out UK's participation if it suits his agenda. If he can't renegotiate, he will crash out.

Let me explain why this is not a pessimistic but realistic view.

I arrived here over 20 years ago with guaranteed equal rights as British people apart from voting in GE.

Those rights, guaranteed by EU law which was part of your legal order and international legal order, have been questioned and already limited - they will be lost if I leave for 5 years. This was never part of the deal. Your country has unilaterally decided to change my rights and EU had to compromise. I had no right to vote in Brexit vote - and neither did anyone in my position, yet, you decided on my rights and my life. This, in principle is unethical and questionable if lawful, as there has been no precedent here.

Now your own country is pushing this further - through Nigel Farage. So will it change? It MIGHT.

You made us total scapegoats which has nothing to do with reality. Since at least 2014 many of you, influenced by Farage, have made us feel unwelcome here and the content online posted about us is measured in millions of disgusting posts. Xenophobia in this country has been rife. None of this is British. This is what I and many of us still believe.

Where the problem is, it's in minimising the risks and only looking at one side of the narrative that makes you believe that everything will be fine. It hasn't been, it isn't, and there is zero guarantee from our perspective.

NF's rhethoric is already affecting even those EU individuals who hold UK citizenship. It's a paper. It doesn't change your name, accent or looks. People ARE made to feel unwelcome and have for over a decade because of these things. There is more than one way of making people leave, you know. Hostile environment is one of them.

British people need to stand against this with us. If you don't, is this what true British values are? Is this what you stand for? Or do you stand for nothing and have I been deeply mistaken for over 20 years now? I hope not.

But 'proven terrorists' in Trump speak nowadays means anyone vaguely left leaning or just 'the wrong type'...
That would effectively mean your acquired citizenship (and your rights as a born and bred citizen as well) wouldn't be worth the paper the passport is printed on.

No they won’t vote Tory they’ll vote Reform .

Under fascism, no one has any rights.

The issue we have is no one cares about people like yourself. You’ve come here, made a life, you pay and contribute to society.

can’t you see it’s the illegal immigration people have an issue with? People coming over in droves for free healthcare, housing, benefits etc? If you can’t see it’s not about you I don’t know what to tell you.

Can't you see that voting for Reform will affect thousands of people you say are "fine"? Please open your eyes, first step RTFT.

Of course I complain. There’s lots to complain about, but have you read the posters (very) long post? The vitriol about the country she lives in jumps out. There’s so much she hates about the UK, and nothing she actually likes.