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Are all of us foreigners just going to be told to pack up and leave if Reform win?

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Onegingerhead · 26/09/2025 16:03

I might be totally unreasonable here (or not), but please hear me out.
(Bloody) foreigner here — I’ve lived in the UK since 2001. Built my whole life here: house, husband, DC, the lot. Worked the whole time in a field that requires the highest level of qualification.
I’m getting increasingly worried about the talk of Reform winning in 2029. Some even say it could be sooner if Labour are pushed into early elections. This week (as we all heard) our beloved Reform suggested rescinding ILR or even settled status from Europeans. God knows what else they’ll come up with, I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they went after naturalised Brits next and started revoking citizenship, just to please the voters.
I know a lot of foreign-born women — some married to born-and-bred Brits, some to other Europeans (not always from the same country), some to men from overseas. All sorts of combinations.
So what do you think lies ahead for us? Will we be politely asked to leave, or will things just get so hostile that we’re pushed out anyway? And how likely is it that people who aren’t very white, or who have an accent, will face more discrimination in work?
I’m meeting my foreign friends tonight and we’ll be talking about it. For most of us, moving now would be incredibly difficult. We’re late 30s to early 50s, and starting over in a new country isn’t exactly easy. Some of us are married to men from different countries entirely, and we don’t even speak each other’s languages well enough to get proper jobs there.

AIBU and should think we will actually be allowed to stay?
AINBU sorry but you’d better start planning your move now

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AngelicKaty · 26/09/2025 19:26

Nestingbirds · 26/09/2025 19:02

They have free hotel accommodation, food and drinks, a bus pass, daily allowance, free healthcare and counselling. I think that is more than enough for free without benefits as well! Of course the social housing, UC and free services for life all come later once they have lied their way through the system.

These things are for asylum seekers (not illegal immigrants) who we are bound by international law to accommodate until their claim for asylum has been assessed and approved or refused. They are given free accommodation and a weekly allowance of £49.18pp (which is reduced if their accommodation also supplies meals) - hey, don't spend it all at once! https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

Asylum support

How to apply for asylum support if you're waiting to find out if you'll be given asylum in the UK

https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

MaurineWayBack · 26/09/2025 19:26

Zebedee999 · 26/09/2025 19:20

My interpretation is Reform will kick out those that are criminals, not at risk, or don't contribute to the economy.

Seems fair enough to me the country is chronically short or housing and is broke.

Define ‘do not contribute to the economy’

Do you mean that even though you’re legally on the country, maybe have spent 30 years here, you’re suddenly not welcome if

  • you get ill and have to stop working
  • Can’t be a SAHM
  • youre a pensioner in state pension

Is it what you mean?

And I’m not trying to see things that aren’t here.
Im genuinely scared that this is what is going to happen.
Because it’s easier to blame immigrants for everything than looking at why there isn’t enough houses around, how money is raised by the government or what it’s actually spending money on.

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 26/09/2025 19:26

plan4now · 26/09/2025 17:47

But how does that work in the long run? Take someone like me: higher rate taxpayer, married to a British man (also a higher rate taxpayer), two children born in England with dual citizenship. Have paid taxes here for almost two decades. In contrast have barely contributed in my home country. Eventually though, I will retire and won’t be a higher rate taxpayer/make the proposed higher salary threshold. Are you going to throw people like me out then, despite our huge contribution over decades and decades and our British families?

Someone like you is not at risk of deportation because you meet the criteria to stay on multiple fronts.

Scaredfuturee · 26/09/2025 19:26

Twiglets1 · 26/09/2025 19:25

No it wouldn't be you going packing if you are an EU citizen.

Again, it is non EU nationals he was talking about deporting if they didn't have citizenship or a 5 year work visa.

That's what I thought originally, but then is he one to trust?

Buttercupflowers · 26/09/2025 19:27

CharlotteRumpling · 26/09/2025 19:16

This thread has confirmed that Farage has successfully convinced people that legal immigrants who have lived here 20 years are illegal. Amazing.

Really?

Try reading the Reform's "Contract with the Public", it's never mentioned.

Anyone who believes a word of what Ed Davy says is just silly. This was the guy who tried to convince people that the Post Office scandal was nothing to do with him.

Ed Davey: Chocolate Teapot - Post Office Scandal

Twiglets1 · 26/09/2025 19:28

QuestioningQuorn · 26/09/2025 19:22

Does OP saying ‘settled’ mean Indefinite leave to remain? And how was that different to citizenship before? Obviously now people are defining between the two.

And what is naturalised mean? Same as settled?

It is very confusing.

I think considering people dont even know the difference in the language terms it’s not going to get much traction.

’Undocumented’/ Illegal on the other hand is an easy win. And think I heard theres something like a million of those atleast. Think how many years that would take. Even that’s not going to happen.

My understanding is that EU nationals have "settled status" wheres non EU nationals get Indefinite Leave to Remain (ILR).

It is the ILR that Farage is talking about reforming by changing it to a 5 year work visa.

CallMeEvelyn · 26/09/2025 19:28

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 26/09/2025 19:26

Someone like you is not at risk of deportation because you meet the criteria to stay on multiple fronts.

You are incorrect, how many times 🙄

EU citizens with settled status and ILR have explained the position and linked up the sources on this thread over and over again. Please, RTFT.

MaurineWayBack · 26/09/2025 19:29

Twiglets1 · 26/09/2025 19:25

No it wouldn't be you going packing if you are an EU citizen.

Again, it is non EU nationals he was talking about deporting if they didn't have citizenship or a 5 year work visa.

Again, he was also talking about removing access to benefits.
Whoch would include UC. Something pretty important for ANYONE (regardiess of the immigration status) on low wage.
And state pension which could be classed as a benefit etc etc

CallMeEvelyn · 26/09/2025 19:29

Twiglets1 · 26/09/2025 19:28

My understanding is that EU nationals have "settled status" wheres non EU nationals get Indefinite Leave to Remain (ILR).

It is the ILR that Farage is talking about reforming by changing it to a 5 year work visa.

Your understanding is wrong.

EU citizens with Settled Status have Indefinite Leave to Remain.

Certain rights they have stem from the Withdrawal Agreement and they are now being threatened by NF.

Scaredfuturee · 26/09/2025 19:30

MaurineWayBack · 26/09/2025 19:26

Define ‘do not contribute to the economy’

Do you mean that even though you’re legally on the country, maybe have spent 30 years here, you’re suddenly not welcome if

  • you get ill and have to stop working
  • Can’t be a SAHM
  • youre a pensioner in state pension

Is it what you mean?

And I’m not trying to see things that aren’t here.
Im genuinely scared that this is what is going to happen.
Because it’s easier to blame immigrants for everything than looking at why there isn’t enough houses around, how money is raised by the government or what it’s actually spending money on.

I agree.
I have low paid part time job and very debilitating chronic non curable illness..
I don't know what i would do if these come to govern.
I'm EU citizen in UK for full 27 years, married to Brit. Suddenly none if this will matter.

Nagpuss · 26/09/2025 19:31

Id say “don’t worry but I didn’t believe we would be stupid enough to vote Brexit and look at us now…

PersephoneSmith · 26/09/2025 19:32

Doesn’t it depend on what colour your skin is? Nice white foreigners who ‘ look like us’ are apparently acceptable to the reform voters. It’s just the black and brown ones they have a problem with.

Twiglets1 · 26/09/2025 19:33

Scaredfuturee · 26/09/2025 19:26

That's what I thought originally, but then is he one to trust?

He couldn't just change the settled status of EU citizens even if he became prime minister because legal documents were signed at Brexit which the UK have to abide by. His speech was about non EU people.

For people who have a spare 2k and want to be super safe, it could be peace of mind to apply for British citizenship, which is why my friend is doing it. But really, it almost definitely is unnecessary.

pomers · 26/09/2025 19:33

Dolphinnoises · 26/09/2025 16:09

It’s hard to say. One of their MPs, Rupert Lowe, is all about the mass deportations. I think it would be too easy to convince yourself that they don’t really mean it. They do.

The most powerful thing you can do is advocate for yourself. Break through the discomfort barrier to remind people in your life that when he says immigrant, he means you and the protect of you having to leave the country. It’s like the Brexit vote, people believed that no-one they knew would be affected

He is no longer a Reform MP

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 26/09/2025 19:33

Timelineuk · 26/09/2025 18:10

nd some people are so dumb no wonder the can say what they want and you bootlickers lap it up whilst they laugh all the way to tax avoidance heaven They are corrupt, Orwell was a genius something you cleanly aren’t. Sooner or later a policy will come for you too.

and I suppose Hitler and Mussolini never used hidden meanings 😂 honestly you people are thick, anything to defend the corruption just because you can’t admit something is very very wrong with all of this.

Edited

Judging from your total lack of punctuation, poor grammar and name calling, I'd say you're not well placed to determine who is 'thick' or not.

Scaredfuturee · 26/09/2025 19:34

PersephoneSmith · 26/09/2025 19:32

Doesn’t it depend on what colour your skin is? Nice white foreigners who ‘ look like us’ are apparently acceptable to the reform voters. It’s just the black and brown ones they have a problem with.

I don't think that makes any difference, I think he's after any ,, foreign,, citizen. Especially east Europe i think..

Croakymccroakyvoice · 26/09/2025 19:35

RoseAndGeranium · 26/09/2025 18:15

I follow Lowe on Twitter. He states clearly that he has no problem with people of whatever race living for as long as they like in the U.K. so long as they arrive legally and aren’t reliant on benefits to live. As far as I’m aware, that is Farage’s position. I’ve never heard any elected politician say that they wish or intend to deport self-supporting immigrants. There’s no way on this earth that I’ll be voting Reform but this sort of hysterical fear mongering is irresponsible.

The proposed threshold for the visa they want to replace ILR is earning £60k. There's a huge swathe of people who dont claim benefits but dont earn over £60k.

Twiglets1 · 26/09/2025 19:36

CallMeEvelyn · 26/09/2025 19:29

Your understanding is wrong.

EU citizens with Settled Status have Indefinite Leave to Remain.

Certain rights they have stem from the Withdrawal Agreement and they are now being threatened by NF.

Ok but even if they have settled status AND ILR they do have rights from the Brexit withdrawal agreement and I think it's scaremongering to make them think they are in the same boat as non EU nationals.

They have more protection and they are not the ones who Farage is saying must move to a 5 year work visa if Reform get elected.

RasaSayangEh · 26/09/2025 19:37

MaurineWayBack · 26/09/2025 19:26

Define ‘do not contribute to the economy’

Do you mean that even though you’re legally on the country, maybe have spent 30 years here, you’re suddenly not welcome if

  • you get ill and have to stop working
  • Can’t be a SAHM
  • youre a pensioner in state pension

Is it what you mean?

And I’m not trying to see things that aren’t here.
Im genuinely scared that this is what is going to happen.
Because it’s easier to blame immigrants for everything than looking at why there isn’t enough houses around, how money is raised by the government or what it’s actually spending money on.

There won't be a definition because the goalposts will keep moving. But yes, the end effect is to keep immigrants who have jumped through all the hoops, followed the rules, done everything correctly and built their lives here in good faith, feeling permanently uncertain, worried and unwelcome knowing that they can be retrospectively rendered illegal and unworthy at any time.

CallMeEvelyn · 26/09/2025 19:37

Twiglets1 · 26/09/2025 19:33

He couldn't just change the settled status of EU citizens even if he became prime minister because legal documents were signed at Brexit which the UK have to abide by. His speech was about non EU people.

For people who have a spare 2k and want to be super safe, it could be peace of mind to apply for British citizenship, which is why my friend is doing it. But really, it almost definitely is unnecessary.

You are spreading misinformation, please stop.

Reform's position clearly threatens rights of EU citizens with Settled Status AND those who are planning to obtain it as they have been in the process of accruing it post-Brexit.

It is NOT just about non-EU immigrants.

It is NOT just about deportation, there are other rights that are part of our lawful status that he is threatening to make conditional or remove.

These rights are unconditional under the Withdrawal Agreement but he either doesn't give a shit about it, or he will renegotiate it to screw us over for no reason whatsoever. Either way, he'll have a lawsuit from me, as promised. If I go, I won't go quietly, that's for sure.

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 26/09/2025 19:38

MeridaBrave · 26/09/2025 16:39

Hard to say but why not apply for a British a passport now to be safe?

She already has, this was stated early

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 26/09/2025 19:38

CallMeEvelyn · 26/09/2025 19:28

You are incorrect, how many times 🙄

EU citizens with settled status and ILR have explained the position and linked up the sources on this thread over and over again. Please, RTFT.

I think you need to read the full thread. PP said she is a higher tax payer and has children here, therefore would meet the criteria to stay.

Twiglets1 · 26/09/2025 19:39

Scaredfuturee · 26/09/2025 19:30

I agree.
I have low paid part time job and very debilitating chronic non curable illness..
I don't know what i would do if these come to govern.
I'm EU citizen in UK for full 27 years, married to Brit. Suddenly none if this will matter.

Edited

There is misinformation on this thread about EU nationals versus non EU nationals.

Farage is targeting non EU nationals with his new proposal for a 5 year work visa, not EU nationals.

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 26/09/2025 19:40

C152 · 26/09/2025 17:05

I think you're rather foolish if you've been in the UK that long and haven't applied for citizenship. No, you shouldn't have to, but you should plan for the worst, and the worst is your right to be here will be stripped away. I applied for citizenship as soon as the Brexit referendum was announced - I didn't actually think those wishing to leave the EU would win, but I thought I should protect myself just in case. The hostile migrant policy was still very much in place, which made the application process much more difficult than it should have been, so you should be prepared for that (and no right to challenge anything about the process or outcome). If your home country doesn't allow dual/multi nationality, then I would seriously consider putting some plans in place should you need/wish to leave the UK.

She said in an earlier post she has naturalised - this means citizenship

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