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Are all of us foreigners just going to be told to pack up and leave if Reform win?

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Onegingerhead · 26/09/2025 16:03

I might be totally unreasonable here (or not), but please hear me out.
(Bloody) foreigner here — I’ve lived in the UK since 2001. Built my whole life here: house, husband, DC, the lot. Worked the whole time in a field that requires the highest level of qualification.
I’m getting increasingly worried about the talk of Reform winning in 2029. Some even say it could be sooner if Labour are pushed into early elections. This week (as we all heard) our beloved Reform suggested rescinding ILR or even settled status from Europeans. God knows what else they’ll come up with, I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they went after naturalised Brits next and started revoking citizenship, just to please the voters.
I know a lot of foreign-born women — some married to born-and-bred Brits, some to other Europeans (not always from the same country), some to men from overseas. All sorts of combinations.
So what do you think lies ahead for us? Will we be politely asked to leave, or will things just get so hostile that we’re pushed out anyway? And how likely is it that people who aren’t very white, or who have an accent, will face more discrimination in work?
I’m meeting my foreign friends tonight and we’ll be talking about it. For most of us, moving now would be incredibly difficult. We’re late 30s to early 50s, and starting over in a new country isn’t exactly easy. Some of us are married to men from different countries entirely, and we don’t even speak each other’s languages well enough to get proper jobs there.

AIBU and should think we will actually be allowed to stay?
AINBU sorry but you’d better start planning your move now

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Hedgehogbrown · 26/09/2025 19:12

localnotail · 26/09/2025 16:21

I cant imagine them removing citizenship from people unless they are proven terrorists.

I also hope this country is not mad enough to vote these chancers in - they are not even proper political party, ffs. No policies apart from removing immigrants and privatising everything.

They will never get voted in. It's just blister.

KeepTalkingBeth · 26/09/2025 19:12

Nestingbirds · 26/09/2025 19:02

They have free hotel accommodation, food and drinks, a bus pass, daily allowance, free healthcare and counselling. I think that is more than enough for free without benefits as well! Of course the social housing, UC and free services for life all come later once they have lied their way through the system.

Do you mean asylum seekers? Those aren't illegal migrants either

Y737 · 26/09/2025 19:14

Dolphinnoises · 26/09/2025 16:09

It’s hard to say. One of their MPs, Rupert Lowe, is all about the mass deportations. I think it would be too easy to convince yourself that they don’t really mean it. They do.

The most powerful thing you can do is advocate for yourself. Break through the discomfort barrier to remind people in your life that when he says immigrant, he means you and the protect of you having to leave the country. It’s like the Brexit vote, people believed that no-one they knew would be affected

Rupert Lowe is an Independent MP as he was expelled from the Reform Party. Best way to get an answer to your question is probably to read what Reform have published on this topic online - not what people say they have said. However, it’s a long time till elections: there’s a lot of bloviating and grandstanding among politicians at present, which will need to get more specific and detailed when we get closer to the general elections.

allydoobs83 · 26/09/2025 19:14

Bearing in mind that Farage is married to a German lady, I don't think you have anything to worry about! Reform's bug bear is people that are here illegally. And for the record,I'm not a Reform supporter.

Buttercupflowers · 26/09/2025 19:14

FallingIntoAutumn · 26/09/2025 19:00

The royal parks and police confirmed it was bollocks.
where I live we do have an issue with people shooting swans and ducks. But it’s not immigrants doing that

nigel Farage was the one who said our gun rules were draconian- I saw the interview.

Reform UK has not set out plans to loosen Britain’s gun laws, despite Sir Ed’s warning.
Sir Ed also claimed that under Mr Farage the government would “trample on our basic rights and freedoms, unconstrained by the European Convention on Human Rights”..

Sir Ed needs to "put a sock in it", basically, and stop scaremongering

celticnations · 26/09/2025 19:14

'Mon up tae Scotland!

Weather's crap. So what. More positive to "foreigners".

And if Farage becomes PM it will become independent (58% want that if Farage is PM).

MaurineWayBack · 26/09/2025 19:15

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 26/09/2025 19:11

Stating immigrants are eating swans is not the same as you suggesting he hates foreigners because 'Farage literally said as much in a speech last week.' I repeat he has said no such thing about hating foreigners. You're just making it up as you go along.

No he is just stroking hate against foreigners.
I agree that’s very different.

Whetherr he hates foreigners is not her nor there. Who cares about what his likes and dislikes are.
Him stroking hatred, encouraging divisions within British society, encouraging racism etc… by using foreign nationals as a scapegoat IS a huge issue.na really big issue.

It detracts from actually tackling the real issues.
Whilst he is hoping to get on with his own little projects. Trump,style

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 26/09/2025 19:15

@Tandora I suspect each case will have to be looked at individually to ascertain how the ILR status was initially granted.

CallMeEvelyn · 26/09/2025 19:15

Hedgehogbrown · 26/09/2025 19:12

They will never get voted in. It's just blister.

Brexit wasn't supposed to happen either, and the Brits were so blasé that here we are. Stage 2 unfolding in front of you and many of you are still denying the reality.

Chinsupmeloves · 26/09/2025 19:15

MookieCat · 26/09/2025 19:02

Okay, once more. Farage specifically referred to people with Indefinite Leave to Remain.

Legal migrants. Not illegal migrants. People keep banging on about how it's only targeted at the illegal migrants. Farage very specifically said it was for people like me and many many others on this thread who have a legal settled status. Granted to us by the UK Government after we met all the requirements that the UK Government set down. Not only that, Farage said he would resciond this settled status for those who already have it.

I completely understand how this seems incomprehensible to the point that people cannot actually believe it. But,this IS what he has said.

www.gov.uk/indefinite-leave-to-remain

Does this suggest that once settled status, so able to work and in employment then you will have the rights of a UK citizen?

If not working then this makes you vulnerable and easy to target?

Sorry, reading between the lines, a case of showing contributing so safe or claiming benefits so not safe. Meaning the SPIN to make it look like getting rid of some to save money.

So many different things being said on the topic but I really can't imagine they could blatantly defy human rights laws. There would be an uproar, especially the much needed medical staff etc.

MaurineWayBack · 26/09/2025 19:16

Buttercupflowers · 26/09/2025 19:14

Reform UK has not set out plans to loosen Britain’s gun laws, despite Sir Ed’s warning.
Sir Ed also claimed that under Mr Farage the government would “trample on our basic rights and freedoms, unconstrained by the European Convention on Human Rights”..

Sir Ed needs to "put a sock in it", basically, and stop scaremongering

I’m pretty sure the word scaremongering was used a lot during the Brexit debates.
Its a shame a lot of it has come true.

CharlotteRumpling · 26/09/2025 19:16

This thread has confirmed that Farage has successfully convinced people that legal immigrants who have lived here 20 years are illegal. Amazing.

Hedgehogbrown · 26/09/2025 19:17

AnyoneWhoHasAHeart · 26/09/2025 18:41

IMO these reform scaremongering threads aren’t being posted by scared foreigners at all. They’re being posted by reform plants.

We are talking about four years from now and already people are talking as if reform have won or are on the verge of winning an election. There isn’t even an election to win at this stage, and there is 0 chance of an election being called at this point.

But by whipping up an “I’m so scared of what is going to happen to me/my friend/my colleague who is from another country thread, reform are keeping themselves and their agenda in the spotlight.

Moreover, they’re stirring up discussion of all those immigrants that people are so scared/fed up of.

Nobody needs to be discussing reform at this point. They have 0 power. Four years is a long time, by then the likes of Farage and his ilk who won seats will be out because they’ll have proven themselves, we have no idea what is going to change in the economy in four years and whether things will be different.

So most of us won’t even be discussing the next general election for another 3.5 years or so.

So maybe people should just avoid these not so subtle pro reform threads.

And the media should stop giving that odious little cunt Farage airtime. Seriously why do they?

Yes! They've got fuck all change of getting in.people are swallowing it and parrating each other people need to lol at he stats. Reform have 5 MPs for fucks sake. You need bout 300 to win.

Are all of us foreigners just going to be told to pack up and leave if Reform win?
celticnations · 26/09/2025 19:17

Polls still have 58% Scots wanting independence if Farage becomes PM.

Move to Scotland!

Uggbootsforever · 26/09/2025 19:19

I don’t think they will ask ‘legal foreigners’ to pack up and leave as such but the tolerance for them staying will be very very low - any sort of crime and I think they’ll deport, or revoke visas and such. Anyone living in the UK will have to be squeaky clean, employed and in need of little from the state.

DIYagainstMould · 26/09/2025 19:19

MaurineWayBack · 26/09/2025 19:11

He also acknowledged that he was thinking about removing the rights to ‘benefits’ for EU citizens.
Which could well include state pension.
Or access to the NHS

He is just a no one, a little man with big mouth.
We have the whole EU behind us, human rights lawyers and some of us have studied law

Scaredfuturee · 26/09/2025 19:19

Hedgehogbrown · 26/09/2025 19:12

They will never get voted in. It's just blister.

I am not too sure.. the Polls says different now ...

Zebedee999 · 26/09/2025 19:20

Onegingerhead · 26/09/2025 16:03

I might be totally unreasonable here (or not), but please hear me out.
(Bloody) foreigner here — I’ve lived in the UK since 2001. Built my whole life here: house, husband, DC, the lot. Worked the whole time in a field that requires the highest level of qualification.
I’m getting increasingly worried about the talk of Reform winning in 2029. Some even say it could be sooner if Labour are pushed into early elections. This week (as we all heard) our beloved Reform suggested rescinding ILR or even settled status from Europeans. God knows what else they’ll come up with, I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they went after naturalised Brits next and started revoking citizenship, just to please the voters.
I know a lot of foreign-born women — some married to born-and-bred Brits, some to other Europeans (not always from the same country), some to men from overseas. All sorts of combinations.
So what do you think lies ahead for us? Will we be politely asked to leave, or will things just get so hostile that we’re pushed out anyway? And how likely is it that people who aren’t very white, or who have an accent, will face more discrimination in work?
I’m meeting my foreign friends tonight and we’ll be talking about it. For most of us, moving now would be incredibly difficult. We’re late 30s to early 50s, and starting over in a new country isn’t exactly easy. Some of us are married to men from different countries entirely, and we don’t even speak each other’s languages well enough to get proper jobs there.

AIBU and should think we will actually be allowed to stay?
AINBU sorry but you’d better start planning your move now

My interpretation is Reform will kick out those that are criminals, not at risk, or don't contribute to the economy.

Seems fair enough to me the country is chronically short or housing and is broke.

MaurineWayBack · 26/09/2025 19:21

Scaredfuturee · 26/09/2025 19:11

I worry so much too. I'm in uk since 98 and on low paid job.
Sadly my in-laws always voted brexit and reform, even DH.
I always hear: but it's not gonna affect you, we only mean those ,,bad,, illegals, its not you.
Also PIL thinks I have automatic citizenship just by being in UK, apparently it happens automatically without any applications etc, so he doesn't believe me, when I say i don't have citizenship as can't afford 2k plus dh wouldn't let me apply anyway as not needed as,, according I'm safe as I'm from EU and long time here, , .
So yes it will be me going packing. I dont know where will I go, as I have nothing left in my old country.
Im old now so I just don't know what will happen.

Edited

@Scaredfuturee 🫂🫂

Could you put the money aside bit by bit wo your dh knowing?
Also you know you dint need him to become a British citizen? Being married to a Brit means you need to prove you’ve been in the country further 3 years rather than 5. But that’s the only difference.

Imdint know how you’re coping. If dh had been voting Refirm, I dint think I’d be able to stay married. Coping with ILs during brexit was hard enough (yes we had very similar discussions)

Twiglets1 · 26/09/2025 19:22

MaurineWayBack · 26/09/2025 19:11

He also acknowledged that he was thinking about removing the rights to ‘benefits’ for EU citizens.
Which could well include state pension.
Or access to the NHS

The reciprocal agreement with other EU countries could theoretically change if Brussels agreed it. But then UK citizens would equally get fewer rights if they moved to European countries.

QuestioningQuorn · 26/09/2025 19:22

Does OP saying ‘settled’ mean Indefinite leave to remain? And how was that different to citizenship before? Obviously now people are defining between the two.

And what is naturalised mean? Same as settled?

It is very confusing.

I think considering people dont even know the difference in the language terms it’s not going to get much traction.

’Undocumented’/ Illegal on the other hand is an easy win. And think I heard theres something like a million of those atleast. Think how many years that would take. Even that’s not going to happen.

UneFoisAuChalet · 26/09/2025 19:24

CallMeEvelyn · 26/09/2025 18:32

Can you all recognise please that people may love this country, be married to British citizens and have half-British children but they MAY NOT wish to be British citizens themselves?

Please. It's not hard to comprehend.

British citizenship essentially gives you two extra rights over and above EU settled status and ILR:

  • the right to vote in GE
  • the right not to lose your pension and right to live here if you were to move to a different country for longer than 5 years

Now, most people who are within the above category don't give a shit about the GE because all of your politicians are shit. I REFUSE to pay £2k for the right to vote on those clowns, thank you very much.

Neither do I intend to move anywhere else for a continuous period of 5 years and lose my rights.

Accordingly, I have NO reason to apply for UK citizenship because the rights I care about, such as freedom of movement, access to NHS and my pension are key. I PAY for these rights every month, at the rate of 40% + NIC, for a decades. I don't bloody owe anything to anyone, I FUND many "scroungers" per Farage's rhethoric in this country, if anything.

Considering, I do not deserve Nigel Farage or any other twat to threaten me with loss of pension rights, access to healthcare, deportation or ANYTHING else.

Farage and every single person believing in his "policies" can f right off - and very best of luck cause the first thing I will do if it comes to this is suing the UK for my decades of financial contributions and associated rights being unlawfully taken away from me - good luck to this country when that happens because I won't be alone. Maybe then more of you will wake up to what shitshow you have sadly quietly allowed to unfold here by being so painfully passive for YEARS.

Edited

I hear you and see you.

I hope we all band together and sue for our pensions. I am more than ready to leave and never ever have to hear about the half-wits that run this place, but I’m not leaving empty handed.

Twiglets1 · 26/09/2025 19:25

Scaredfuturee · 26/09/2025 19:11

I worry so much too. I'm in uk since 98 and on low paid job.
Sadly my in-laws always voted brexit and reform, even DH.
I always hear: but it's not gonna affect you, we only mean those ,,bad,, illegals, its not you.
Also PIL thinks I have automatic citizenship just by being in UK, apparently it happens automatically without any applications etc, so he doesn't believe me, when I say i don't have citizenship as can't afford 2k plus dh wouldn't let me apply anyway as not needed as,, according I'm safe as I'm from EU and long time here, , .
So yes it will be me going packing. I dont know where will I go, as I have nothing left in my old country.
Im old now so I just don't know what will happen.

Edited

No it wouldn't be you going packing if you are an EU citizen.

Again, it is non EU nationals he was talking about deporting if they didn't have citizenship or a 5 year work visa.

MonGrainDeSel · 26/09/2025 19:25

These people (immigration lawyers) think it would be very difficult to remove ILR.

https://www.rlegal.com/news/reform-uks-immigration-plans-the-implications/

Uggbootsforever · 26/09/2025 19:25

Hedgehogbrown · 26/09/2025 19:12

They will never get voted in. It's just blister.

They said that about Brexit

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