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Are all of us foreigners just going to be told to pack up and leave if Reform win?

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Onegingerhead · 26/09/2025 16:03

I might be totally unreasonable here (or not), but please hear me out.
(Bloody) foreigner here — I’ve lived in the UK since 2001. Built my whole life here: house, husband, DC, the lot. Worked the whole time in a field that requires the highest level of qualification.
I’m getting increasingly worried about the talk of Reform winning in 2029. Some even say it could be sooner if Labour are pushed into early elections. This week (as we all heard) our beloved Reform suggested rescinding ILR or even settled status from Europeans. God knows what else they’ll come up with, I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they went after naturalised Brits next and started revoking citizenship, just to please the voters.
I know a lot of foreign-born women — some married to born-and-bred Brits, some to other Europeans (not always from the same country), some to men from overseas. All sorts of combinations.
So what do you think lies ahead for us? Will we be politely asked to leave, or will things just get so hostile that we’re pushed out anyway? And how likely is it that people who aren’t very white, or who have an accent, will face more discrimination in work?
I’m meeting my foreign friends tonight and we’ll be talking about it. For most of us, moving now would be incredibly difficult. We’re late 30s to early 50s, and starting over in a new country isn’t exactly easy. Some of us are married to men from different countries entirely, and we don’t even speak each other’s languages well enough to get proper jobs there.

AIBU and should think we will actually be allowed to stay?
AINBU sorry but you’d better start planning your move now

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EasternStandard · 26/09/2025 19:40

Hedgehogbrown · 26/09/2025 19:17

Yes! They've got fuck all change of getting in.people are swallowing it and parrating each other people need to lol at he stats. Reform have 5 MPs for fucks sake. You need bout 300 to win.

Yes it’s over that by today’s MRP

CallMeEvelyn · 26/09/2025 19:40

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 26/09/2025 19:38

I think you need to read the full thread. PP said she is a higher tax payer and has children here, therefore would meet the criteria to stay.

To stay - indeed. But once she stops making £60k a year she may well not meet them anymore and never see her pension.

I think you need to read up more, thanks - I am potentially directly affected by these proposals and believe me, I've read enough.

Twiglets1 · 26/09/2025 19:40

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 26/09/2025 19:38

I think you need to read the full thread. PP said she is a higher tax payer and has children here, therefore would meet the criteria to stay.

OP also said she has British citizenship so yes, no issues with her staying whatsoever.

Evaka · 26/09/2025 19:42

hattie43 · 26/09/2025 16:23

It’s 4 yrs away a bit premature to be thinking about something that may never happen .

That's a lovely perspective. Why worry indeed about an increasingly hostile public discourse about non nationals. I'm definitely enjoying feeling less welcome here every week.

JacknDiane · 26/09/2025 19:43

Its awful that decent people like yourself even have to consider this @Onegingerhead

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 26/09/2025 19:43

CallMeEvelyn · 26/09/2025 19:40

To stay - indeed. But once she stops making £60k a year she may well not meet them anymore and never see her pension.

I think you need to read up more, thanks - I am potentially directly affected by these proposals and believe me, I've read enough.

At what point have Reform mentioned deporting pensioners who've lived here for decades?! I'd also point out applying for citizenship when you have been living in country for decades should be standard surely?

NeedAnyHelpWithThatPaperBag · 26/09/2025 19:43

Don't listen to scaremongering from some on the left who don't seem to understand that in their haste to broadcast their anti-racist credentials, they're invertedly contributing to stirring the pot and making minorities believe that the majority population are against them.

Twiglets1 · 26/09/2025 19:45

CallMeEvelyn · 26/09/2025 19:37

You are spreading misinformation, please stop.

Reform's position clearly threatens rights of EU citizens with Settled Status AND those who are planning to obtain it as they have been in the process of accruing it post-Brexit.

It is NOT just about non-EU immigrants.

It is NOT just about deportation, there are other rights that are part of our lawful status that he is threatening to make conditional or remove.

These rights are unconditional under the Withdrawal Agreement but he either doesn't give a shit about it, or he will renegotiate it to screw us over for no reason whatsoever. Either way, he'll have a lawsuit from me, as promised. If I go, I won't go quietly, that's for sure.

Edited

What people are mainly worried about on this thread is deportation.

Farage is not talking about deporting people with EU status. Yes, certain other rights may be at risk if Reform get in but not deportation.

You sound like you're absolutely spoiling for a fight not just in this post but all your posts on this thread. But EU nationals need reassuring that they are not the ones Farage is really targeting with his announcement the other day.

Scaredfuturee · 26/09/2025 19:45

EasternStandard · 26/09/2025 19:40

Yes it’s over that by today’s MRP

Its 311 today in polls if elections were today they would win..

EasternStandard · 26/09/2025 19:46

JacknDiane · 26/09/2025 19:43

Its awful that decent people like yourself even have to consider this @Onegingerhead

Tbf the op has citizenship.

justasking111 · 26/09/2025 19:46

BellaBallerina2 · 26/09/2025 18:32

But I am really not feeling British. I don’t want to go pay a lot of money to take a stupid test most Brits cannot pass, language test when I speak with a wider vocabulary and more grammatically correct than a large % of the British population and finally attend some ceremony where I have to kiss the flag and the king’s portrait or similar.

I saw some of the questions from the test. I couldn't have answered them.

Andouillette · 26/09/2025 19:47

Please OP, don't panic. Even if Reform win in 2029 I doubt very much that they could do this, I think the courts might have something to say! It is notoriously difficult in the UK to enact retrospective legislation and that's even before we get to the strong obections which will be raised by huge numbers of the population who are not in thrall to Nasty Nigel and his repulsive minions. I am a Tory (please don't chuck bricks at me) and I can honestly say I would NEVER vote Reform. So far I have been completely unphased by the politicians who have defected, I say good riddance to bad rubbish. I also say that if the wankers do get in and start trying to deport people by undoing ILR I will be out on the streets protesting as fast as my little fat legs will carry me!

NettleandBramble · 26/09/2025 19:47

I'm really sorry that it's such a scary time for you op. The govt seems to be stirring something up and chasing people into the arms of reform.

LucieChardon · 26/09/2025 19:47

I don't know Reform policies in depth - don't want to give them head space (also don't think media should give them air time, but there we go).

During the riots/ demonstrations last summer, the demonstrators were not stopping people in their cars to check their paperwork and whether or not they hold British citizenship. Demonstrators were stopping non-white people in their cars and telling them to "go home".

I am non white but with British citizenship, all the talk about immigrants (be they legal or illegally entering the country to apply for asylum, because that is the only way to apply for asylum) seems very obvious to me that it's a us (Reform, white people) vs them (everyone else) situation.

So would I be worried as a non-white Brit if Reform gained even more influence and control: absolutely.

I would love dual nationality or EU nationality if not for myself then at least for my children, who feel that their employment prospects have been fucked by Brexit.

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 26/09/2025 19:47

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 26/09/2025 19:43

At what point have Reform mentioned deporting pensioners who've lived here for decades?! I'd also point out applying for citizenship when you have been living in country for decades should be standard surely?

A lot of countries don’t allow dual citizenship and giving up your original citizenship can create lots of issues

SquareElephant · 26/09/2025 19:48

newrubylane · 26/09/2025 18:24

20 per cent of the NHS workforce are foreign nationals.

And how many patients are foreign nationals?

Croakymccroakyvoice · 26/09/2025 19:50

snughugs · 26/09/2025 18:29

You shouldn’t worry. It’s the people whom came over claimed lots of benefits and don’t work. I know people who work in housing and benefits and there’s a great deal of immigrants on benefits and we simply can’t afford to keep lots of unworking/disabled immigrants. This is to me is perfectly logical and no other country does this but us. Remember it wasn’t that long ago people were getting big moneys from tax credits to send to Poland for children never to enter the country. It’s wrong we can’t afford it. People need to grasp we can’t keep making ourselves poor to support unskilled, low earner foreigners. We are going bankrupt. Who wants to continue like this for even their own children’s sake? I love different cultures it’s got sod all to do with race and I’m delighted to have high skilled and high earner foreigners here. It’s a no thanks to them getting social housing and benefits.

"Just 2.8% of UC claimants on indefinite leave to remain.

Of the 8 million+ people on universal credit, just 211,000 had indefinite leave to remain. The majority are British nationals, or on the EU settlement scheme."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-uk-ilr-immigration-policy-nigel-farage-b2831087.html

Are all of us foreigners just going to be told to pack up and leave if Reform win?
DIYagainstMould · 26/09/2025 19:50

EU settled status is different to Indefinite leave to remain

AngelicKaty · 26/09/2025 19:51

Scaredfuturee · 26/09/2025 19:11

I worry so much too. I'm in uk since 98 and on low paid job.
Sadly my in-laws always voted brexit and reform, even DH.
I always hear: but it's not gonna affect you, we only mean those ,,bad,, illegals, its not you.
Also PIL thinks I have automatic citizenship just by being in UK, apparently it happens automatically without any applications etc, so he doesn't believe me, when I say i don't have citizenship as can't afford 2k plus dh wouldn't let me apply anyway as not needed as,, according I'm safe as I'm from EU and long time here, , .
So yes it will be me going packing. I dont know where will I go, as I have nothing left in my old country.
Im old now so I just don't know what will happen.

Edited

Yup, there's far too much ignorance about this - and Farage supporters are the worst. They'll be just like the MAGA regretters in the US now - "Ooh, but we didn't think it would affect us." Sigh.
You have my sympathy.

DreamTheMoors · 26/09/2025 19:54

FanSpamTastic · 26/09/2025 16:39

Have family in the USA who have lived there very happily for 30 years on green cards - but after Trumps last stint got increasingly worried that he might get in again. He was very much for revoking Green cards during his first presidency. So applied for citizenship during Biden’s years just in case. They are now worried that he still might come after them even though they are now legitimate citizens. I see Reform copying the Trump playbook. My concern is that the conservative vote is essentially splitting across the two parties and we end up with some mad Tory/reform coalition.

if I were you and wanted to stay here then I would start the citizenship process.

I’m American. My family has been American far longer than Donald Trump’s family has been American.
I want you to know how very sorry I am that you’ve had to have one moment of worry or distress over being here.
That’s not who we are - that’s not the true America.
I’m appalled at his - and his administration’s - behavior. I’m appalled at the Republicans in Congress lack of accountability and lack of oversight.
We have another 1212 days to go - I don’t know if we’ll make it.
I wish you the very best, and if I can ever help you, or you think I could ever help you, I’m always here. I used to be a Senate aide - I might have a few ideas.
Sending love from California. ❤️

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 26/09/2025 19:54

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 26/09/2025 19:47

A lot of countries don’t allow dual citizenship and giving up your original citizenship can create lots of issues

I'm sorry but if a person has lived in a particular country for 30 odd years and intend to draw their pension in said country, applying for citizenship should be a priority.

Andouillette · 26/09/2025 19:54

SquareElephant · 26/09/2025 19:48

And how many patients are foreign nationals?

A damn sight less than 20%.

LittleMyLabyrinth · 26/09/2025 19:54

This is scary. I have ILR, been here 25 plus years. I can't afford to apply for citizenship. I would never meet the new income threshold or the fees for reapplying constantly. Yet I've worked hard for years, paid my taxes, and dedicated myself to helping the children of this country.
I just don't get it.

AngelicKaty · 26/09/2025 19:55

CharlotteRumpling · 26/09/2025 19:16

This thread has confirmed that Farage has successfully convinced people that legal immigrants who have lived here 20 years are illegal. Amazing.

Indeed - and that asylum seekers are illegal immigrants. The ignorance from some on here is eye-watering.

celticnations · 26/09/2025 19:55

LittleMyLabyrinth · 26/09/2025 19:54

This is scary. I have ILR, been here 25 plus years. I can't afford to apply for citizenship. I would never meet the new income threshold or the fees for reapplying constantly. Yet I've worked hard for years, paid my taxes, and dedicated myself to helping the children of this country.
I just don't get it.

The nutters are running the asylum.

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