The council should be taking down England flags in public places?

[fourfoxsakes]

I have driven through a couple of areas in the last few days where England flags are being displayed on public lamp posts, it makes me feel very uncomfortable and unwelcome in the area and I think gosh I’m glad I don’t live here, but why are the council not taking them down?

It isn't snobbery at all. I'm referring to the areas which have form for voting for far right parties.

That's terribly sad. How far we have regressed. Im not surprised though. The pendulum always swings back. Young people are probably fed up of being taught to be ashamed of being white or if they aren't white, to blame white people for colonialism. Or to be anti semitic.

The way forward is to teach pride in our collective nationality symbolised by a flag. Not teach kids to be ashamed of it and rip it down and go back to their own little groups.

No, the way forward is to teach people not to be racist. But that's very difficult when the adults around them are unable to model a society without racism.

No. I am saying people denying that there is a clear demographic are wrong. I don't know why it is that way but it is.

And no, I don't think the flag should be put up at midnight by (mainly) men hiding their faces (why?)

Pride in the country is surely a 24 hour thing not a sneaky hobby to do when you can't be seen? Maybe they're so patriotic they've spent their days looking after the community in general and can only get out at that time......

I suggest you stop being goady and get a grip.

Hang on. This is weird. You were talking about particular roads you drive down rather than specific constituencies. How do you know they mostly vote for far right parties? Are they all your friends and they tell you so?

Certain roads vote a certain way 🤣. Apparently. The Red Wall takes on a different meaning...

What demographic do you think are particularly patriotic?

I'm not talking about whole constituencies, I'm talking about particular wards. I don't know what it is like where you live, but it is very well known in my community where support for the far right is concentrated. Is it coincidence that the flags have popped up primarily in these areas at exactly the same time as Tommy Robinson is urging people to put them up? I don't think so.

Agree with this.
We shouldn't be ashamed of our flag, if every public building, church tower, mosque etc flew it then it would help reclaim it and dilute its perception as a symbol of hate/racism.

No. It's very hard when young people are taught to be ashamed of their skin colour if they are white. Or to be ashamed of their ancestors pasts, without exception, no matter what the past of their ancestors actually was. Or for kids to be shown that anti semetism is perfectly acceptable and you can go on horrible marches each week and scare Jewish people and that's absolutely fine. No one is exactly giving young children a good example to follow in not being racist these days let's face it!!

I think you're prejudiced. And unfortunately it makes you sound a snob. Sorry. I think far better that people try and understand each other rather than leap to judge them.

You try being at university in Yorkshire, brand new halls, £180 per week,boasting a gym and social activities on the ground floor. Cinema room. You weren't allowed in them of course because certain overseas students had claimed them so you didn't get admission. Try complaining to Unite who just shrugged their shoulders.

And god help you if there was spare accommodation in your seven room flat. They'd move in and take over the kitchens.

Ours is flooded with them but I actually really like seeing the Union Jacks fluttering in the breeze

The flags have appeared in those areas of town...

We're not all a stupid as the brainless flag flyers!

Most of them don't have 2 brain cells to rub together and probably barely worked a day in their life.

Its are flag and u r the rasist one for not bein prahd of bein english (or something)

It's nasty, sneering comments like this that (in my opinion) are fueling division. People talk of despising hatred and racism, but are very happy to engage in prejudice and stereotyping themselves.

Bad optics too. Removing English flags from English soil. Scared of backlash

Oh, I know, the flags are such a worry. Not like Fuhrer Starmer’s digital identity app which is for the good of us all.

Our council have said they will only remove those deemed dangerous and our mayor has thrown his support behind the flags.

Oh the irony!🤣

I'm not the one judging people as "far right" because of the road they live in.

And I bet by "far right" you just mean Reform!!

Only in England are we meant to feel ashamed of our flag. Most countries have their national flag flying everywhere.

Where did I say that everyone living on those roads is far right?

Clue: I didn't.

Follow the Lib Dems and embrace the England flag just like the Spice Girls reclaimed the Union Jack. Reactions like yours will sendbmore people to Reform.

@fourfoxsakes I’m white and British. I hate the weaponisation of the Union flag.

Seeing the flag hung from bedroom windows during the football used to make me happy. It was a positive thing. But this lamppost thing is awful.

But you said...

"areas in my community which I know well. Roads I drive down regularly. It is abundantly clear that the flags attached to lampposts and painted onto roundabouts are a direct response to the Tommy Robinson campaign".

"The flags have appeared in THOSE (you put in italics)areas of town..."

" it is very well known in my community where support for the far right is concentrated."

"I'm referring to the areas which have form for voting for far right parties."

It's not the Union flag though?