The council should be taking down England flags in public places?

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I have driven through a couple of areas in the last few days where England flags are being displayed on public lamp posts, it makes me feel very uncomfortable and unwelcome in the area and I think gosh I’m glad I don’t live here, but why are the council not taking them down?

All for flying flags

not keen on littering and vandalism which is what hanging flags on lamposts and painting mini roundabouts is 🤷🏻

but the thread will be full of people who either have comprehension issues or are stirring…bit like all the other flag threads

Anyone offended by the English flag can FO out of England? If I went to America I’d expect to see their flag… it’s the unhinged left that have tried to make people hate their own flag and heritage and are shitting their knickers that it has had the opposite effect.

Yes. Your point being?

There is empirical data which shows where support for the far right is concentrated. The flags have appeared predominantly in those areas and at precisely the time when Tommy Robinson has been encouraging his supporters to fly them?

Are you really telling me that you believe this is all just coincidental?

What do you mean by "far right". You said people were voting for far right parties if they lived in THOSE areas of town. Which "far right" party was on the ballot paper?

And if you say this "empirical data" shows (somehow) where support for the "far right" is located, what sort of areas do you think these might be and what sort of people (I think you mentioned "demographic" upthread but forgive me if it wasn't you) might these far right supporters be?

Everyone is free to think what they wish. It might make other people think they are a knob but they remain free to think it. What annoys me is the breathtaking arrogance of trying to impose your views on someone else or, even worse, assume they all agree with you.

The flags have been appearing on lamp posts in my town. Clearly there is a limit to the length of the ladders that were available because they are all half mast and at first I wondered who had died.

There are now flags down the length of one of the major roads entering our town which is lined by houses. There is a flag on every lamp post so in front of many of the houses. Did the residents of said long road have a meeting and agree they wanted flags which express a particular political opinion in front of their houses? Was there a vote? I very much doubt they (apart from the person with the ladders and opinions) had any choice, suspect many of them would not have agreed but here they are with a f*cking flag making a statement at the end of their drives. And naturally many would worry about reprecussions if they were able to ask said ladder/opinion person to remove them.

Before anyone else witters on about patriotism, our local council has only just taken down the Union Jacks that bedecked the town centre for the VE/VJ celebrations which were widely enjoyed. There are flags on houses for sporting events. But this rash of flags is not meant to be commemorative, supportive or celebratory.

So, in conclusion, by all means stick a flag on the front of your own house if you wish everyone to know what you think. But whatever opinions you have or how much 'whataboutery' you spout or how much Daily Mail/social media nonsense you have absorbed, you don't get to impose your flags on people in other spaces.

I'm now off to see if there is a short course on youtube on "Accuracy with a Bow and Flaming Arrows" just in case I need it.

That’s because people in the “richer” areas are not having immigrants dumped into their communities. We all know they are put into already deprived areas first but hopefully the “richer” people won’t mind having their share when the peasants run out of space.

Does this gaslighting work on anyone?

For those concerned about the flags, this Telegraph chat on YouTube sums it up pretty well and hopefully puts people's minds at rest. There really is such a small far right influence to this general flag waving. It's nothing to get your knickers in a twist about.

I agree, faux innocence, gaslighting when we all know what is happening.

Actually just own it, stop pretending.

Real shame is that there will be less displaying of our flag as a mark of respect, support or celebration.

It's the people who are taking them down that are causing the litter issues.
They just leave the cable-ties on the ground.

You could always emigrate to another country but then you might get upset all over again when you see their national flag on display.

Maybe save up for an apartment on the moon.

Why should an English flag in England be taken down .

So anyone who disagrees with your take on why.people are proud of the flag of their own country is "gaslighting" and displaying "false innocence". And must be a racist.

Well, if you’d read my post - I didn’t say I didn’t like any flag - I said I don’t like how they’re being used and it’s silly of people to pretend these newly sprung at half mast (why?) flags are being used for anything but racist factors - I’ve seen the groups sorting the flags out on fb.
I definitely don’t like council workers being pulled off ladders and don’t understand how doing that makes someone a patriot.
I think I’m from England, but as I was adopted I probably won’t be able to trace my lineage fully enough to prove that at sometime in the future we seem to be creating.

Mhm.

There is an enormous difference between always flying a single flag on your own property, or a public building like a town hall flying a flag, or flag bunting on a public holiday- and illegally putting flags up on every lamppost in a street in the dead of night, against a specific backdrop of racist, xenophobic and violent rhetoric.

It’s like saying “what’s the difference between using a knife to cut a cake, and holding a knife to someone’s throat- they’re both knives!”. We all know it’s the same knife. It’s the context that matters. It’s obtuse to suggest otherwise.

I suspect American people would not take kindly to their flags being put on road crossings to be driven over, or wonkily cable-tied to lampposts at assorted heights! It’s the complete opposite of their precise flag-raising ceremonies, where white-gloved people in uniform raise, lower and fold their flag with respect and decorum

I think people just got fed up of everyone else waving flags about (particularly on those horrible anti semitic marches) and just want to fly their own flag. Which is a good flag of a good country. And being flown in it!

I doubt they have the funds. I counted over 150 the other day one very long street near a local hospital in a very mixed culture area had them to every lamp post , fences , hospital railings etc.
I hate them

I think it's in people's own minds that it's racist, revved up by social media. It won't be in the mind of most people who actually display the flags. Unless the UK has suddenly turned into a massively racist country overnight which it hasn't.

You hate the English flag?

I didn't mention demographics. You must be confusing me with another poster or perhaps just making assumptions. I have not made any comments about "what sort of people" they may be, other than to observe that they live in an area which has a longstanding pattern of supporting far right parties and I have reason to believe that some of them are racist.

And yes, I'm referring to Reform, amongst others. You may not consider it to be far right, particularly if you are a supporter, but it is widely considered to be a far right party. Historically, people in the same wards have also voted for the likes of the BNP etc. Plus the EDL were also very active in that neighbourhood at one point.

I can’t speak for that poster, but I agree there is a lot of gaslighting and faux ignorance.

It’s the refusal to acknowledge that the current activity is any different from other forms of flag display, painting a picture of a country where the flag was hidden from view previously, insisting that people are “shitting their knickers” (lovely) because they’ve spotted a flag, denying that there is any connection to right wing activism, insisting that it’s to be expected in this country (when what’s now happening is patently novel), saying that it’s the same as what other countries do…

It might not be every single flag supporter doing this, but it’s an awful lot of them for sure!

Our county council has, thankfully, removed them all from our town centre.

I thought the moronic twats would quickly replace them, but they haven’t as yet. Probably prefer to spend their benefits money on something else.

I’m glad you aren’t racist or have any other agenda than flying your country’s flag.
You never said if it’s ok to pull council workers off ladders if you think they may be taking one down? How patriotic about flags do we have to be?