Farage promises to deport people with ILR

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Nigel Farage stated he would deport anyone with existing indefinite leave to remain. We are talking about millions of people.
This terrifying. If people live here, work here, have kids and mortgages - where are they supposed to go?

I don’t disagree and that’s something else’s that needs looking in to and stopped

But it's the free market?

Well she was from Poland and back then the pound would have been worth a lot more there than here so stands to reason she would do that. I would if I was her!

And why do you think the pound is worth so much less now?

Fully old enough to remember it, and also old enough to have seen a lot of anecdata about the evils of EU immigration which were bunkum, and Brexit has demonstrated quite how much people were misled.

If your cleaner friend was on minimum wage and pregnant and sending a serious amount of money back and housing and feeding herself and her children to a decent standard, then like other posters I applaud her resourcefulness.

When people assess whether an immigrant is a net contributor or not, do they take into account that, when they moved here, their education and upbringing was already funded by the taxpayer in a different country? We are talking about 2 decades!

@EarthlyNightshade because I comfortably meet the income / tax revenues outlined. My post referred to required income levels for new immigrants. A large number of countries all around the world have relatively high minimum earnings requirements for immigrants. This is not a new idea.

You meet them for now. This sort of shit has a tendency to snowball, and Farage and his fans won't care if a few model migrants get caught up by mistake. Don't get too comfy.

Because she wasn’t a net contributor and how does that benefit the British public having mass unskilled immigration? The public got sick of it and voted to leave because of mass unskilled immigration.

Why should I not be allowed to move to Canada and work in a bar? Or Australia?

What's your point then? She spent her disposable income as she liked, just as anyone can.

Mass unskilled immigrants didn’t work for the average Brit and they voted against it.

And look where that got us 😂We miss the EU migrants now...

I know someone born abroad who had been living here for fifty four years, married for 30 years to a British person, having come to England age 6 with a U.S. passport as the child of a British father (who had been born in India while his father was in the British Army).

In all that time they were living in the U.K. under ‘indefinite leave to remain’ having only been back to the US for some holidays as a child in all that time. Sounded British, worked, paid taxes, had been educated in British culture etc

Does Farage even know this can happen and the person (as it may be relevant to Farage, be white)?

To become a citizen it took:

-doing a test you had to pass at 75% that was £50 15 yrs ago and very easy to fail ( questions on employment law, all the British Empire names of Caribbean islands, the dates of the history of votes for women, the names and organisation of the governments of Scotland Wales NI and England to name some examples (stuff most people on this thread would certainly not get 75% right even if you understand enough English to read and understand the questions.)

-Filling in long forms and being sure that at no time in the preceding five years you had been out of the country on the same day of the month as the date of the application for citizenship. For example had you by any chance gone for a weekend in Paris on that date three years before?

-paying £1000 which was no small sum in pre-Covid/Ukraine inflation terms. (now an adult application costs £1,735, which includes the £130 citizenship ceremony fee, while the fee for a child is £1,214).

-supplying tax papers

-going for a special interview where they quiz you.

And those Brits were queuing up to do cleaning jobs on minimum wage, were they?

I doubt it.

The "net contributer" calculation is so reductive in any case. It fails to take into account the many, many ways in which people - both immigrants and Brits - can make valuable contributions to our society alongside any tax that they may pay.

The low-paid but essential jobs that help to keep our society going. Caring for our children, our disabled people and our elderly people. Looking out for friends and neighbours. Volunteering in the community.

A person's worth and contribution cannot be reduced to how much tax they pay.

It IS reductive. But I find myself blathering on about how I am a net contributor because I feel defensive.
In real life I would never talk about my earnings. Ugh.

Agree it’s dehumanising exactly as it’s designed to be. Reducing people to their monetary value has consequences for all of us.

She wasn’t claiming benefits fraudulently she was entitled to them according to the government, exactly the same was a British citizen. British people didn’t benefit from that open door policy any where near they was citizens from other EU countries did.

It was more competition for housing, NHS, school places etc and they got fed up and voted to leave.

Most countries have sanctions and only if you’re on a jobs shortage list can you move there and quite right. As much as I’d love to move to Canada or Australia, I respect that mass unskilled immigration with no restrictions wouldn’t be beneficial to the average citizen already there.

If that were to happen, it could apply to my DB. Our F was a Czech refugee and he himself wasn’t born in the UK. (Unlike my DSis and me.) That would be insane as he’s lived in this country almost all of his life and is a vulnerable adult.

However, he would most likely be ok, as he’s fortunate enough to be white.

Thankfully, it’s all talk, it won’t happen.

Yeah but the British public aren’t daft and realised it wasn’t as beneficial for them as it was to others

A shit economy with far too many people inactive and not enough housing and resources to support the people already here

I watched it.

The BBC article adds in loads of stuff that he didn't say at the press conference too.

So what he said is apparently different to what he meant. This is all ok, because according to some posters reform will have policies that are exactly what they want them to be.

And then you'll all be saying that's not what you voted for.

But he has told you, you just didn't listen.

The British public who voted for Brexit are fucking daft and it will take a long time for the country to recover from the consequences of their stupidity.

OR (and this is radical) successive governments have not invested enough in the provision of public services to meet the needs of the size of population required to run this country well? This is the argument that the right has suppressed because they've been in charge for the majority of the last 50 years while this lack of spend and investment has taken place. When we sold off most of our social housing stock and slashed public services. Why do we assume that the services we have are set in stone and it's the DEMAND for them that's the problem? Because then it's the fault of the people and not the service providers.

No, I get it. I totally understand the defensiveness.

I just think it's sad that we don't have a better way of capturing what people contribute.