Farage promises to deport people with ILR

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Nigel Farage stated he would deport anyone with existing indefinite leave to remain. We are talking about millions of people.
This terrifying. If people live here, work here, have kids and mortgages - where are they supposed to go?

Are they going to seize people's houses and pocket the value??

I didn’t say it was legally necessary, but it is more secure.

Plus it’s not here that disallows dual citizenship. Other countries impose that strict rule.

I don't know, have you asked him?

Yes. There are a lot of citizens sleeping rough, families with kids staying in rentals with mould on an endless waiting list for social housing who would love to stay in a former 4* hotel. Even if there were no services. Somewhere without mould would be great.

This is the problem. Pretending that some recently arrived illegal immigrants aren't getting better living conditions than people who've been here for years (doesn't even have to be citizens, could just be people who are already settled immigrants) is an obvious lie.

I think this was an ill-judged comment because so msny people have connections with someone with ILR.
I doubt legally that it could be applied retrospectively.

You’re being too logical.

For anyone who can afford the fees and whose country allow dual citizenship it’s a sensible decision. I don’t doubt many people are doing it following that press conference.

I think they'll lose votes because of it honestly. The already settled for years / decades immigrants aren't the problem, in the main (grooming gang perpetrators and criminals aside).

Ahh but those cleaners then have children and we’re entitled to tax credits and for an infinite number of children- thank god they stopped that! They were also allowed to claim child benefit and the like for children that didn’t live here so it’s no wonder it got the British tax payers backs up!

Then factor in the lack of housing in general so competition is even more intense, even rent. Imagine that, you go to view a rental property and they want a guarantor even when your salary is about £60k! That’s what happens when demand outstrips supply.

Indeed we can all find examples to support our claim, but back in 2014 the public had had enough so that means the majority were fed up back then so it doesn’t take a genius to work out most people are fed up to the back teeth of all of it. I’ll repeat, the majority! That’s why Farage is doing so well.

I agree there would be too many legal challenges as well as too much public opinion against it being applied retrospectively.

I have EU SS status since 2019, I'm in the uk since 98.
I will take a loan to get the citizenship. I am also married to british citizen since 2006 who is totally against me to pay for it as he does not believe any deportation would ever happen..

When asked about the legality at the press conference he replied with parliament is sovereign.

Plenty of MPs and successful business people are 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants, are you saying all will be deported?

What if they are landlords, all their tenants immediately evicted, wherever they are from?

Only time will tell!

If Farage does ever get in to no. 10, it will be the degenerates he surrounds himself with that bring him down.

@DuncinToffee there are a number of categories of newly arrived immigrants who can claim benefits as well as housing.

I hate the whole "Don't worry it will never happen" argument, because it can and it will if things carry on like this.

I had this conversation with my Dad the other day - with him saying "Well you can't do anything about it anyway" and "You are worrying needlessly"

You only have to look to the US see what happens when this nonsense is allowed to go unchecked.

Not even touching on all of the other issues around health care, corruption, and constitutional disregard, the treatment of immigrants and tourists and what that will mean for American citizens next is chilling.

Reform are following the same pattern, using the same rhetoric and employing the same tactics that MAGA do.

The ICE raids, the deportation of US citizen children with their mothers, the deportation of tourists after being held for two weeks in horrible conditions because their social media posts aren't deemed acceptable and the attack on birth right citizenship.

These all started with words and proposals exactly like what Reform are saying now, with people dismissing them as never going to happen or claiming people were just being hyperbolic and that's not what was meant. We are seeing now that actually what they meant was actually a 1000 times worse than what they actually said!

Trump has said a number of times, most recently in July this year, that he also thinks US criminals, those that are full citizens, not just 1st generation birth right citizens or immigrants should also be deported.

That should worry everyone, including us here in Britain, given Farage is following the Trump playbook to the letter and has a lot of people with wealth and I fluence behind him to help make it happen in this country as well.

Yeah, it's called unintended consequences of poorly thought out policies.

Why don't you ask reform.

I think it's a stark raving mad policy.

He literally said to EVERYONE that it isn't illegal migrants, it's legal ones too. He will remove their legal right. Retrospectively.

It's right up there at the top of the thread.

Of course it can be applied retrospectively. The Government draft the legislation and pass it in the HoC where they presumably have a majority. HoL passes it under the Salisbury convention.
The may not even need primary legislation - lots of immigration rules are made without needing to be in the statute books.

This is a huge problem. But it’s a problem with our lack of good social housing, which began in the 80s and has gone unaddressed in any serious way ever since by government. It’s not because of immigration - that’s a successful distraction. It’s because social housing doesn’t pay much for millionaire builders, because local authorities don’t have the money to do work on properties or buy new, because no one has regulated shitty private landlords well, because section 106 is easily circumnavigated if you know the right people, because people routinely object to new housing, or to social housing development.

Take away some immigrants and all these things will still exist. Just like Brexit didn’t solve it. The current government is trying to chip away at some of it but that won’t be quick or easy or uncontroversial to the people with real power to fuck your life up (the very rich). And it won’t really go far enough either.

Let's hope this obvious insanity sends more people in the direction of the Conservatives. I know, I know, they were shit under Boris and screwed things up and Sunak didn't help much but I really rate Kemi B - she's just not that great at the media.

I think we could do with a few politicians that do the detailed work and try and look at detailed solutions to complicated problems rather than just trading on soundbites. Of course relentless negative publicity does take its toll.

No they won’t be deported.

Homeless people/families get put in hotels too

Go on and pretend that asylum seekers are the cause of the UK's problem with providing adequate housing.

I do agree that they shouldn't be housed in hotels, but that is on the Tory government.

I don’t agree. Time will tell but I think the retrospective element of the policy would be massively unpopular amongst the electorate & MPs wouldn’t want to vote for such an unpopular policy or they would lose support in their constituency.

I am not sure why people are talking about illegal immigrants and asylum seekers on this thread. It's about ILR holders. Who are by definition legal and NOT entitled to benefits for 5 years.
Confusing the two muddles the conversation

And how small is that number?

The majority of newly arrived immigrants have no recourse to public funds