Farage promises to deport people with ILR

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Nigel Farage stated he would deport anyone with existing indefinite leave to remain. We are talking about millions of people.
This terrifying. If people live here, work here, have kids and mortgages - where are they supposed to go?

Well, it was a few years (Brexit)

It would absolutely need primary legislation. The Salisbury Convention is just that, a convention. If Trump is showing us anything, it’s that conventions do not apply if you decide they don’t. It’s been challenged in the past and I think would be unlikely to override a feeling in the Lords that a Bill was in direct contravention of the law - without any party allies. Reform have very few Peers and no sway in the Upper House. I think a Reform government would encounter an enormous amount of resistance in the Lords and would need to try to pass further primary legislation to change their powers. Constitutional crisis ahoy.

I don’t think for one moment that our democracy would be safe in the hands of Reform. But I don’t think convention would override law if it came to it.

There was a press conference yesterday to announce that this is reforms plan. He will revoke ILR.

This is what he has said he wants to do.

Why are not believing the words that came out of his mouth?

Because mass unskilled immigration put pressure on housing, schools, doctors, hospitals and they were entitled to tax credits exactly the same way as British citizens, so they weren’t net contributors were they?! It was the tax payers money that was getting sent to different countries to build those dream homes, meanwhile the folk here could barely afford a one bed flat!!

They announced it would be applied retrospectively.

Of course its not practical.

But that doesnt negate the fact that a government can redraft legislation.

Saying that "they announced it but dont really mean it" is disingenous.

They do as non-cash benefits-accommodation, meals, health services etc

Surely she was sending her own money home, not the taxpayer's?

And gaslighting.

My partner has been paying 6 figures in tax for the last 9 years, having worked his way up through the organisation he joined 15 years ago.

If they really do come after those who already have ILR, then more fool them as they'd lose that tax revenue.

His country don't allow dual citizenship, so he still has his original passport, and doesn't particularly want, or see the need for, a UK one.

Luckily, I do have dual nationality, and 1 of those countries is still in the EU so we'd have no issues moving back to his country.

Who do?

What do you mean?? What has coming out of the eu got to do with anything? Settled EU citizens didnt all go back?

@Somuchfakeinfo if he’s been paying six figures in tax annually he won’t be affected by Reform’a proposals.

Oh I think they mean it.

I just doubt they would be able to execute it because of how unpopular it would be with the electorate. That’s just my personal opinion obviously.

Sorry ... double post.

Maybe he doesn’t want to live in a country so full of poison towards immigrants though? Can’t be nice to feel it.

Having lived abroad and had a similar experience as an immigrant myself it wears you down. Even if you earn decent money you are taking the job of someone who deserves it more. I left.

What makes you so sure they won't get in?

Yes and the tax payer top ups!

If this is the direction of travel of the UK, any immigrants claiming benefits would CHOOSE to leave as their money supply would dry up.

It's very likely that immigrants who are not claiming benefits will choose to leave as well. The highly skilled taxpayers who help to keep this country running.

It is such a shortsighted policy.

Yes and my guess is that is the way Reform really intend the new visa to work. But who knows?

And all those earning under 60k with somewhere else to go would be quickly heading off too. Even if they are in a much needed role, paying income tax and not claiming benefits. There’s a reason that unions have come out so strongly against these proposals - they don’t represent people on benefits. It collapses the NHS.

@MalinandGo I’m an immigrant but won’t be affected by Reform’s policy. My home country has significantly tougher conditions for new immigrants than Reform’s proposals as do a number of others.

Good for you. Not hugely relevant to those who will be affected though.

If people are buying houses and feeling like they want to be here long term why at that stage wouldn’t a move to citizenship be a good idea?

People keep trying to explain. It’s not that simple.
I can give you our situation. My husband has been here about 25 years. He’s worked throughout apart from a few weeks once on JSA. He was really upset when Brexit happened- personally and politically. The narrative around that made him feel less welcome and less secure in this country.
The recent narrative about immigration, especially looking as he does like a non Brit, has worried him more. If you live in a country where you feel the population turning on you, and politics feels polarised and like the unbelievable could happen, why would you put your faith in that country to count you as one of their own, when all signs point to the opposite?
He doesn’t have anything really to go back to in his home country, but at least by keeping his EU passport he has options (and other languages).
If he gave that up and 2 years later this country decided to revoke that citizenship, or change goalposts in other ways, he would be stateless.
Plus, I wouldn’t let him at this point because if Reform get in I will abandon the country I used to love and we will leave. The country will lose 2 hardworking tax paying people who contribute to public service and pay lots of tax.

Highly paid people will be ok. I wouldn’t be surprised if more attractive tax changes happen too so we’re more competitive with other countries who want high earners. If they get in that is.