Farage promises to deport people with ILR

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Nigel Farage stated he would deport anyone with existing indefinite leave to remain. We are talking about millions of people.
This terrifying. If people live here, work here, have kids and mortgages - where are they supposed to go?

The thing is, I DO have concerns about legal immigration, despite being married to a long term immigrant. It’s been handled very badly, and Brexit caused a massive population shift which was filled in a rush. The policies and processing have been badly thought out and managed.
I can see why people are worried and why it’s become an issue.
So I can have a nuanced discussion , I’m not a “all immigrant lion is great, all the time, diversity, NHS , yay!” head in sand person.
But tackling it by deporting people already settled, often for years, is not the answer.
The current shit show is due to successive government policy. The solution is NOT to demonise and punish innocent British residents.
Farage doesn’t give a shit about this country. He’s the global elite. He only cares about carving up the assets, making a fortune ( all this will make a few people very rich) and probably plans to fuck off to some tax haven leaving us in smoking ruins. He is NOT a patriot he is a traitor in my eyes.
My family is made up of people who have been immigrants here from a couple of generations ago to the last 25 years. I grew up feeling proud to be British, my grandparents who were 1st Gen were proud to be British. Partly because Britain is a country that never succumbed to fascism.
I can’t believe what is happening now.

Farage and his mates have very successfully harnessed Europe and now immigration as a focus for the legitimate unhappiness of many people at the sustained lack of political engagement in improving the lives of people in post-industrial Britain, which worsened as public services were slashed by the bullshit austerity policy. Their efforts so far have made a lot of them much richer and made the lives of most of us much worse. But they continue to promise to make everything better and in a political vacuum exacerbated by COVID and Brexit they sound deeply appealing. Don’t we all want things to be better?

The aim of the Reform leaders is to get as much money through political levers as they can. That’s all it’s ever been. And most of them hold racist/sexist/homophobic views.

He'd done everything for ILR already, so it was very simple. It is tedious, but it was by far the simplest part of the whole process for us. Only waited about 6 weeks for an answer too (though I expect waiting times will shoot up in light of this).

Ok we can agree on "most" which isn't everyone which is the misinformation I was trying to correct.

I do think EU nationals are different because of the Brexit agreement. Farage will do his best to chip away at that if he gets into power (unlikely) but Brussels would have to agree.

If I was an EU national I wouldn't be overly worried about this but I would try to get dual citizenship if my home country allowed it, to be on the safe side.

I think what Nige's supporters are saying is that people of non-100%-British extraction are either not-quite-human service units, or parasites.

If said people have correctly gone through all the steps to be legally resident and now hold documentation stating "indefinite" Nige's supporters want to retrospectively move the goalposts so that this is now irrelevant. If said people have made their lives here for decades, raised families, built careers, made friends, paid into pensions, bought homes, they should not have done so because only humans do that.

Oh, but they're also not to worry because they'll be grateful to keep proving their usefulness as service units every few years, until it's deemed (probably by more moving of goalposts) that they now fall into the category of parasites.

But with naice wording.

I’m sure it’s easy to pass if you put the work in. Assuming of course no issues taking tests in general, which some will have (while still being able to contribute to our country). It’s bullshit right though? Given how much of it is utterly irrelevant to anyone’s life.

I find the fact you don't care about people who have lived here their entire lives, who have made their home here, who have raised children, who have contributed not just financially, but also socially to the UK, absolutely staggering.

These people were promised indefinite leave to remain. This is revoking something that is currently their legal right.

and you're just ok with that?

No, you really do need to study for the test! There was quite a bit of new information for me — some of it not exactly useful in day-to-day life (the Wars of the Roses, for instance). I doubt I’d have passed without doing some proper revision.

A friend just told me there’s an app now with practice questions and mock tests, which sounds handy.

I'm not saying that at all. I'm reporting factually about what Farage said at the press conference.

Agree it would make the UK very unattractive to non EU nationals.

And for existing non EU nationals, it would be unethical to deport people already settled in the UK.

See the mess of their health policy and connection with a vaccine conspiracist.

No I'm not "ok with that" and have said so already on this thread.

I think it would be an unethical thing to do.

Nevertheless, facts matter and it is not the case that "everyone with ILR would be deported" that is misinformation.

This is it- and what about pensions?? In about 10 years my husband will have his 35 years NI contributions, so will have been supporting the pensions of current British elderly. When it’s his turn, will the government says, cheers, now fuck of “home”??
And it’s not as simple as “ just apply for Citizenship”
I have said this before but why would you become a citizen of a country you increasingly feel doesn’t want you? What if then they go after naturalised Brits? And your country of origin didn’t allow dual citizenship anyway, so where do you go then??

I don't understand this post - have you intentionally disproved your own point in an attempt to be ironic and show the ridiculousness of the argument?

Of all of those things you have listed as needing to be provided by a four star hotel - which ones do you think are actually being provided to asylum seekers housed there?

You could argue that they have wifi and access to dinner and breakfast, but the food won't be of the same standard you would expect of a 4* hotel and it certainly won't be waiter service.

They won't be getting anything else on that list. You said in another post "Why wouldn't they open the door to the pool and sauna?" Quite simply because of cost - costs to keep a pool and sauna heated, clean and hygienic are.astronomical!

You also talked about 1000 men arriving each day - again, that is just not true. 1000 people arrived in one day once, but it is not every day. The average is around 100 per day and that includes women and children, not just men.

That average is likely to reduce before the end of the year because higher numbers over the summer due to good weather have bolstered it, but those numbers will reduce as we head into autumn and winter, lowering the average.

You're hearing hooves....stop thinking Zebras and think horses instead!

Can I respectfully suggest you take a break and calm down and read what people actually said. No one said they are getting 4* service in hotels.

Some are being accommodated in 4 hotels where accommodation and facilities are part of the rating. The hotels were advertised and sold as 4 tight up until their closure. PPs suggesting that is not the case because due to planning laws the hotels are now known as asylum seeker accommodation is mindblowingly dishonest.

I am also confused as to why you think these hotels are not staffed or provide clean bedding as that would have meant mass redundancies of hotel staff which I would hope we would have heard about from the media (but can’t trust them either these days).

Seriously, stop being ‘disgusted’ at people telling you facts.

I guess the UK is moving towards the UAE model. Where foreigners are just service units to work and pay taxes, and useless if they don't pay enough or get sick. Except the UAE has zero tax, so that makes it attractive for people to come in for a few years, then leave.

Many will like the simple and brutal UAE model. It doesn't make for a very cohesive society though.

He said everyone.

He has now backtracked. Added in little provisos. But he said everyone.

Define what a hotel is? You have bought into fear what is being told to you by the media.
I fear for my children if that's the ignorance they have to put up with.

I understood the policy is aimed at new arrivals who are low skilled and will claim benefits.

It is NOT aimed at people who have been here decades, have settled families, good jobs, own homes, private pensions, and not benefit claimants.

The first description costs the UK much more than the second. The point of the policy is to reduce spending.

If people are buying houses and feeling like they want to be here long term why at that stage wouldn’t a move to citizenship be a good idea?

He literally said yesterday it does apply to those people.

There are literal newspaper articles with the headline that he will REVOKE ILR.

It is right there. Why are you not believing what he is telling you?

Newly arrived immigrants can't claim benefits

You do know the UK has a point based immigration system?

It’s retrospective. So it will cover people who have lived here for years.

Because (1) Many countries don't allow dual citizenship. Mine doesn't. If Reform comes in and decides to remove citizenship, I will be stateless. I have zero faith in the British government now.

(2) I am eligible for citizenship next year. By then, Labour may extend it to 10 years for citizenship. And if Reform comes in, that will be a pointless wait as they will take it away again.

(3) It's very expensive.

Perhaps because it's not legally necessary.

Perhaps they'd like to keep a bit of protection in case fascists are elected.
I mean, it's ok for farage to have an EU passport too isn't it?

EU nationals are not “little provisos” and he clearly said a work visa would replace ILR which at least some non EU migrants would qualify for.

The Reform proposal is bad enough it doesn’t need exaggerating.