Farage promises to deport people with ILR

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Nigel Farage stated he would deport anyone with existing indefinite leave to remain. We are talking about millions of people.
This terrifying. If people live here, work here, have kids and mortgages - where are they supposed to go?

What reason do you have to believe that she was getting "tax payer top ups"?

Why are you so sure you won't be affected?

What other countries are deporting people who have lived there legally for years (apart from the US)?

Tbf, even he thinks something needs to be done about those coming in through non legal channels, eg, on boats, or those overstaying, etc.

As he notes, it's never good to appear to treat one group more favourably than another, as it leads to resentment, as we're now seeing.

We've been here ~20 years now, and apart from the 7 months it took him to find work when we first got here (which we funded through savings), he has always been in work.

He's pretty healthy, so has only used the NHS once, for an emergency surgery after he'd been living here for about 7 years.
Once he woke up from the surgery, someone came with forms as they wanted to check whether he was entitled to treatment or would have to pay, so they took employment details, etc, and checked it out before he was discharged.
Since getting a better paid job, he's had private healthcare, so doesn't really use the NHS for anything. He definitely feels his tax could be spent more wisely, and fears governments are not encouraging higher earners to want to stay. The incentives to take risks, start a business, etc, are slowly being eroded in more punitive tax rules.

Tax breaks for the rich is EXACTLY what this country needs to get back on its feet. Pleased you’ve got there so fast before Reform, party of billionaires, had to tell you.

Is this that cutting sarcasm mn does so well. I can’t tell anymore.

But yes other countries attract high earners.

Again, how is that different from spending your money abroad, on your dream holiday?

They do. But even the ones who stay here are very good at finding the loopholes to avoid paying their full whack of tax - perfectly legally of course. Nigel Farage can give you tips.

I have a lot of friends in this category. People who contribute to our society in a whole range of different ways. Lots of them are now considering whether they want to stay here.

It isn't about whether or not they would be OK under this particular model. It's about whether they would feel secure living with the uncertainty of knowing that their rights could be revoked at any time, and that the goalposts could be moved without their consent. And also whether they actually vwant to live in a country in which their contributions are valued so little and where the environment is increasingly hostile.

I can't say I blame them. It will be our loss.

She was on the minimum wage and pregnant.

So, you're speculating that she was on benefits?

What is the relevance of her being pregnant?

Did she also have one leg?

What are you talking about? What’s with the edgy tips rage.

All this. I am not white. I am quite an Anglophile really- having grown up in the Commonwealth- but outwardly, I am everything Reform voters hate. DS even more so.

I like the UK, but am worried that if we give up citizenship of our home country, we may regret it in a country where I will increasingly be other. Guess we will have to choose soon.

Eh? Became she received tax credits in top ups and child benefit which equates to thousands per year from the tax payer!

I’m not sure what your point is about her buying a hosue in Spain or the like and what that’s got to do with it?! She could have been buying one of the moon and the point would be that the tax payer was helping fund it!!!

And I wonder how much taxpayer money is funnelled to tax havens through exorbitant care home fees?

Perhaps we should be asking her for budgeting advice then. Because if she can stretch that to a dream home abroad, why are so many Brits struggling? She sounds pretty impressive to me, some of us could take a leaf from her book!

If she was providing the same service and the same value to society as a British citizen, why should she not be entitled to the same as a British citizen?

Sorry, I’m just irked that the solution to the massive complex issues we have in this country are being boiled down by Reform to immigration. We will obviously end up with schemes that cut tax for the rich (see the US) and that will be sold as making us competitive for the ‘right’ sort of immigrants but that will do nothing whatsoever to solve any of our issues, we’ll just be competing with tax havens, and we’ll have lost so many people who are actually contributing through their efforts to keeping our services going. Life for most of us will get worse as the seriously rich get richer. And we are just sleepwalking into this as a nation.

Well, this policy seems mighty popular with many posters on this and the other thread, who have been gleefully relieved they can stop pretending they were only concerned about illegal migration and can now put the boot in to legal migrants who were foolish enough to build their lives here in good faith, because it's their own fault they didn't have a crystal ball.

The only thing more astonishing to me than this unexpected mask slippage is the number of posters who continue to pretend this policy isn't retrospective, even though that is exactly what Nige said.

Well I saw a video of a Pakistani GP on instagram yesterday. He's just left the UK and moved to Canada instead, where he feels more welcome and valued.

He left because of the rise of reform and racism.

We we’re both pregnant at the same time and our children went to the same school for a while. She was a lovely lady, in fact there were several of them and they all had children and why wouldn’t they? They were the perfect age. She stood out in my mind as she was the one sending money home/saving to buy her dream home back in her home county. Again I don’t blame her!

Right, so what point are you making?

The value of her labour was the same as the value of someone else's equivalent labour.

If she still had some money left at the end of the month and chose to send it to Spain instead of spending it on beer or getting her nails done or Jellycat toys, what's it to you?

As if it’s all made up. Go back to 2007/8 and there were many EU nationals moving here, particularly EE so either you’re too young to remember or you’re pretending that didn’t happen to suit your agenda.

Ok. If you think she was claiming benefits fraudulently you should report her.

You were referring to immigrants sending their money abroad, saying it is bad for the economy, and I get that, if that money was spent in the UK it would benefit the country. So I was answering with my question, how is that different to a British person spending their money abroad, either on holidays or buying property in Spain?

No he didn’t say that at all. Read the reports. It’s freely available on the BBC.