Starmer’s support for Palestine

[Steph888]

Am I alone in seeing this as one of the darkest days in UK history?

Never before did I think I’d end up living under a government who reward terrorism.

Starmer and Labour are grotesque. History will not be kind to them. They have now empowered all terrorists and their supporters.

We deserve such better than this reprehensible government. They disgust me.

We never stopped negotiating with the two sides in the Irish argument - and one side wanted a united, not separate, land.

People are allowed to have their own opinions. What matters is how they are actioned and many don't action it , even if they would like it. The terrorists do.

The former people deserve to be treated as humans.

People predominantly vote Sinn Fein or Unionist parties (I'm from Northern Ireland) here however it doesn't necessarily mean they support terrorism, they are voting closest to their views and tactically voting even though they don't agree with certain stances. At one point I wanted a United Ireland but I didn't want anyone to die to achieve that or undergo any violence. Are you saying because they voted Hamas then their children deserve to be mutilated, starved, orphaned etc? If that's how people think then that is terrifying. 😔

Antisemitism exists. It would be ridiculous to deny that. However, IRL I haven't come across a single person in my 50 years who has expressed an anti Jewish sentiment (I have seen it online though). I have heard a lot of anti Muslim sentiment though. So I dont think Antisemitism is as widespread as Islamaphobia.

Neither is acceptable IMO.

You said that “very few people just hate Jews”, the inference being that antisemetism is a very small, minor issue in the world.

Thousands of years of documented human histoty tells a very different story, thus to say that “very few people just hate Jews” is disgusting lies.

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@Spiritofeden87
Once again conflating Hamas with the children of palestine is grim. The Palestinian people are not terrorists.

What does that even mean? If you're saying that not every single Palestinian is a terrorist, well duh, I don't think anyone thinks that.

But if you somehow want to make a distinction between 'ordinary' Palestinians and Hamas, that would be a very tenuous argument. Almost every single Palestinian terrorist, including the one who shot and killed innocent citizens on the bus a few weeks ago, was an 'ordinary' Palestinian.

Me too. But for a poster to claim that the Irish people never voted for the IRA, I would assume she has some knowledge of Irish history, and realise that the IRA were, through Sinn Fein, elected in 1918. An election that resulted in the establishment of a de facto Irish state and the Irish war of independence.

By the OP's logic, anyone recognising Irish statehood is 'rewarding terrorism'.

Nonsense. It is perfectly possible to condemn the Nazi genocide and the killing of Palestinian children at the same time. I cannot understand how anyone can condone the deliberate starvation of children and deliberate action taken to prevent children injured by Israeli soldiers from getting essential medical care.

I'll never accept it. You can't recognise something that doesn't exist.

I have. Many times. Sometimes with slurs and epithets, other times with fists. And sometimes with a veneer of respectability, under the pretence of 'just asking questions'.

It’s pretty obvious what I am saying and try looking up collective punishment as it’s illegal under international law.

@Honesting The only solution ever acceptable to the majority of them was a final solution, ie all of the Levant being a Palestinian state.

I see. Well there was another thread that so many posters overlooked for some reason, so I offer an opportunity to those supporting the Israeli government to comment here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y59z6rznvo.amp
Short version - Israeli minister says that the war on Palestine will end with a "final solution" of "maximum land with minimum Arabs".

Pot,kettle,black? Stated intention to expand across all Palestinian land by any means necessary.

The UK stats on hate crimes would disprove this and antisemitic crime has soared since 7 october

people were celebrating the atrocities of 7 October on the streets of cities around the world before there had been any retaliation by Israel. I’ll never forget it, I couldn’t believe what I was seeing.

starmer is rewarding terrorism - how can we possibly recognise a state which is governed by terrorists?

To those of you who deny anti Semitism....did you see in the news this week the shop in Germany which had a sign on their window saying no Jews allowed....even had the cheek to claim they weren't anti Semitic. What's that about hey?

Because they'll never be allowed to go home? Why should they help israel with its ethnic cleansing?What racist excuse did you want to insert?

The consequences of Starmer’s actions will include increased immigration.

No question.

Area C isn't governed by the PA. To all intents and purposes it's part of Israel proper.

Are you Jewish? If not, why would you have come across antisemitism? Numbers of Jews in the world are a tiny fraction of the number of muslims - about 15 million Jews to 2 billion muslims. From a purely numbers perspective if you are not Jewish the chance of coming across a Jew, let alone antisemitism, is therefore significantly lower than the chance of witnessing anti-Muslim acts.

So that would be the UK government then ?

Given that we aren’t in Germany I’m not sure how much control we have over that shop owner’s actions? Shouldn’t be happening though, I don’t disagree there.

44% did - that’s not the entire population and it’s not a justification for the mass starvation, death, bombing, and collection punishment happening in Gaza. Children didn’t vote.

How many children have to die before you say it’s enough? You talk about the hostages, but their families are begging Israel to stop and to negotiate a deal. Israel responds by bombing the negotiators.

I am Jewish and thoroughly ashamed of actions being taken in my name. We have been led to believe that Palestinian deaths are inevitable and necessary for Israel’s security. It’s not true. Never again means never again for anyone, including Palestinians.

What kind of rubbish are you talking?! The Zionist element of Israel literally walked into the homes of Palestinians , kicked them out, shoved them into pockets of land overlooked by armed guards and took target practice at children who threw rocks!
October kidnapping shouldn’t have happened ( How it did under that Iron Dome is anyone’s guess) but to systemically bomb, starve and intentionally kill civilians under the guise that it’s acceptable because of the October kidnappings is beyond comprehension!
And as a black woman whose ancestors were enslaved and also to highlight the black and brown forgotten victims of Hilter- I don’t wanna hear anything from anyone that even attempts to justify Israel’s actions- or labelling anyone who opposes what’s happening as anti semitic - give me a break!

Keep doing the same thing and you’ll get the same results.
Israel hasn’t managed to resolve its issues with Palestine so far and it’s been decades
Do you honesty expect starving them out of the country will bring about lasting peace?

Good Lord, really? I'm a fair bit younger than you and I've definitely heard antisemitic rhetoric in reali life.

I suspect you have too but don't recognise it.

Yes I know- that’s what I mean when I say the Palestinians are treated differently in Area C. But the settlers are given free rein. It’s one of the reasons Starmer has given for recognising palestinian statehood today.

You’re not alone no. But you are certainly on the wrong side of history.

Most of the world already recognise Palestine. This should have been done a long long time ago.

In terms of rewarding terror, that kind of rhetoric doesn’t wash. Especially when the main terror is the Israeli governments official recognised ongoing genocide and other related war crimes.

Views like yours I find unnerving and I’m thankful to have never met anyone that holds these kind of views in real life.