Starmer’s support for Palestine

[Steph888]

Am I alone in seeing this as one of the darkest days in UK history?

Never before did I think I’d end up living under a government who reward terrorism.

Starmer and Labour are grotesque. History will not be kind to them. They have now empowered all terrorists and their supporters.

We deserve such better than this reprehensible government. They disgust me.

and the faeces smeared across multiple synagogues and Jewish nurseries in London in the last few weeks?

By the OP's logic, yes. The UK, along with every other sovereign state in the world, are 'rewarding terrorism' by recognising Irish statehood.

And Ireland is of course not the only state to have been founded in the midst of terrorism.

The left and the right are gonna hate him for entirely different reasons. So he's on a hiding to nothing. Personally I wholeheartedly agree with his recognition of Palestine, but abhor the de facto bolstering of Israel's military.

Sick racist people are all over the world, my muslim friend was pushed off a tube after the London Bridge attacks. Anti-Semitism is abhorrent, just like an form of racism. People however get fed up of being branded anti-Semitic for criticising Israel.

Say it louder.👏

The key difference between the Israeli right wing version of 'from the river to the sea', and the Palestinian one, is that Arabs live in Israel as full fledged citizens with equal rights. Whereas in PA governed territories it's illegal to sell property to a Jew.

If all of the WB and Gaza was formally annexed, it would only matter in terms of sovereignty, ie under which flag people live. But if the Palestinian fantasy would become reality, Israel would made Judenrein.

The reality is much darker and harder in my view.

The population of Palestine is deeply radicalised. The polling data on support for Hamas, or other Islamist groups, or for the Oct 7 attacks, or on Jews in general, makes very uncomfortable reading for anyone who wants to draw a clean line between Hamas the baddies and the Palestinian people the goodies. It would be much more confortable for everyone (including me) if that weren’t true. But it is.

That’s not where the dark and hard moral issues end though. Because who can say that they themselves would not also feel like that in the same environment.

What’s the moral and practically correct way to deal with a society of people with deeply ingrained racist supremacist views and murderous intent, who hold those views because that is all they have known and they too are human.

For all those dismissing antisemitism being at the root of 'Pro-Palestinianism', just take a look at how many of those wonderful humanitarians on the hate marches are holding banners calling for the release of the hostages or condemning Hamas for their actions. You'll find more antisemitic imagery on the marches than you'll find anything pro-Jew

One of the darkest days @Steph888wise up

You said: What about the West Bank that’s governed by the Palestinian authority (nothing to do with Hamas) where Israel has just announced yet more illegal expansion of its settlements?

That is simply untrue.

Are Price Tag attacks considered terrorism?

Slavery was an acceptable practice for thoiusands of years. Very few people consider it so now. We are fortunately able to rise above our history. And I inferred nothing - you are the one who "inferred" and continue to do so. If you want to believe that most people hate Jews then you do you, but I literally don't ever come across them. And just to be clear I know lots of Muslims who don't hate Jews and I know lots of Jews who hate what the Israeli government are doing. The world is such a complex place, isn't it?

Not outrageous at all. Our terrorist sympathiser of a leader has rewarded the perpetrators of the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust and while Jewish hostages are still being kept captive in Gaza

Apart from Boris, Liz Truss, Dave Cameron, May.

"Those dead children would have grown up to be terrorists anyway."

On the other hand you could also argue Israeli Jews are also radicalised (brainwashed even) to hate Palestinians, we’ve all seen video’s and interviews about it

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No antisemitism?

It is indeed a dark day. Irrespective of what you think of Palestine and Israel, what Starmer has done is bow down to terrorists. This was Hamas’s plan all along to garner the sympathy of the useful idiots. I’m so angry at this man who has sold my country and its ethics down the river. He is stupid and immoral. He has rewarded the rape, torture and murder of women and children. Disgusting human being.

I dont think anyone is saying Antisemitism is OK or justified. It's abhorrent.

I think you really need to educate yourself on the history of the Palestinians and how the Israeli government has been conducting themselves in the 75 years plus illegal occupation. Are you aware that many years before oct 7th, the Israeli government has been accused of abusing the Palestinians taking children on bogus charges (throwing stones at soldiers) and then placing them in prison for many years, they've been accused of sexual abuse against children and not to mention the abuse from the settlers, and the British government are the force behind the forced displacement of these ppl 75 years ago. Hamas are beyond vile, so is the Israeli government. Not the ppl. Not the civilians. They all deserve peace. Israel has no right to be is gaza for 75 years.. where was your disgust then ? Your thread is shameful. Begrudging these ppl an end to war simply because you don't like Muslims.

What disgusts me, is people watching kids and families decimated and thinking it is OK.

This reminds me of the people partying in the streets of London as news of October 7th broke

Maybe you should educate yourself of 5000 years of Jewish history and stop bolstering the anti semitic torturers. Rapists and murders.

Starmer and anyone who supports him are appeasers

Exactly this