Starmer’s support for Palestine

[Steph888]

Am I alone in seeing this as one of the darkest days in UK history?

Never before did I think I’d end up living under a government who reward terrorism.

Starmer and Labour are grotesque. History will not be kind to them. They have now empowered all terrorists and their supporters.

We deserve such better than this reprehensible government. They disgust me.

The whole thing is based on the lie that the Palestinian Arabs actually want their own state. They don't. What they really want is the annihilation of Israel.

If it would have ever really been about a State of Palestine, they wouldn't have rejected every single offer and opportunity, starting with the proposed Partition Plan.

In the West Bank and Gaza there is currently, and always has been, extremely low support for a two state solution. The only solution ever acceptable to the majority of them was a final solution, ie all of the Levant being a Palestinian state.

What is especially deplorable about the western leaders signaling their virtue in recognising Palestine, is that the Palestinian Arabs haven't even done the basic steps in building a state. We have this weird situation where Starmer and some other idiots are telling a group of people that they recognise their state, when those people don't even recognise it!

And the hostages? Did you mean free Palestine and free the Hostages Hamas are torturing?

Not much recently- hence the huge concern.

Are you familiar with the 1918 Irish General Election?

It is really quite outrageous to say that recognising a Palestinian state is incompatible with honouring the holocaust.
I honestly don’t know how it is possible to come to this conclusion.
All the people I know honour the holocaust, the victims of 9/11 and the victims of the genocide in Gaza. To pick and choose is to deny humanity

100% agree

Very few people "just hate Jews"

Such disgusting lies.

Antisemitism (the world’s oldest hatred) has existed and persisted in many forms for over 2,000 years. In all time periods, all over the world.

Jewish people have been persecuted for thousands of years.

Do you consider it to have just disappeared, overnight, of it’s own volition? Has it just suddenly ceased to be a problem? After all this time? Just, disapperated into the ether?

Where has all the antisemitism gone?

Nothing about this nightmare is representative of "Jews". The world knows this, so stop throwing the term anti-semitism around to try to shut people up.

Jewish people don't want this either.

Also the title really needs amending. It's not "Starmers" support etc etc. It is the UKs support for Palestine. In the form of a decision taken by a democratically elected government in accordance with the laws of the UK.

You may not like it, but it's childish to pretend it's something that Starmer "just did" without going through the proper channels. He's not Donald Trump for fucks sake.

I make this point because I could not have opposed the Iraq war more within the constraints of the law back in 2003. And I mean opposed. However there were plenty of people around then telling me to suck it up as it was a democratic decision and if I didn't like it why didn't I go and live in Russia.

How times change, eh ?

Completely agree. It’s a disgrace.

Keir Starmer is naive and pathetic.

Well under International law, it’s the 1967 Borders!

But don’t let that stop Israel- they have just announced a huge illegal settlement on Palestinian land in the West Bank.

You might be confusing areas A and C.

Absolutely this.
Enough of this violence. Move forward.

it would be a much darker time you were a small child in Gaza.

I’m pretty sure the vast majority of Palestinians would be happy with a two state solution. I think you mean that the Israelis would not, which is entirely different.

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Supporting Palestinian statehood is not the same as supporting Hamas.

I'd be amazed if 1% of posters were.

Anyone know why Egypt and Jordan don't want the refugees?

I didn't say there was no anti-semitism at all. But most peoples learn from history and change. Not everyone though. There's a few in the Israeli government who also haven't learned anything from history.

And the next time you call me a liar you will be reported.

No people don’t hate Jews, they hate the Israeli government. Crying anti-semitism for any judgement against Israel is just an easy way to block valid facts.

Do Hamas want Jewish/Israeli’s destroyed, of course, and thats disgusting! Just like it’s disgusting Israeli Gov wants all the Palestinians dead and buried - we’ve heard some of them say it…

Most people don't give a stuff about Jews. Or Christians, Muslims, Sikhs, Vulcans, Furries or the Easter Bunny. What they do care about is that a nation of 2 million people are being terrorised, starved, displaced, maimed and murdered. If your religion is more important than that you might want to have a word with your god about priorities.

Well it depends what the 2 state solution boundaries are. Area c subjects Palestinians to way worse conditions than the settlers. It’s equally disturbing. And the new settlements are illegal.

Did you not notice that most of Netanyahu’s current lot are misogynist, racist, homophobic, violent religious ideologues?

The borders of the Palestinian territories are pretty clear, so the borders of a Palestinian state would be similarly clear.