To think Christianity is becoming the biggest religious threat?

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With all that is going on in the world I am seeing Christianity becoming more of a problem.

it shocked me to see British people chanting “Christ is king” at the TR rally last week. That’s not really our culture.

then you have the Charlie Kirk/US issues- I am seeing so many people quoting the bible now, using it to justify their reasoning rather than actual facts and statistics.

”the bible tells us” or “the bible says” . The talk of “god-given” rights. Especially in the US where the pledge of allegiance and the constitution seem to be inextricably mixed up with a Christian god.

I am catholic. But I also believe the bible was written by men, not god, it is fallible. It is more of a collection of stories to convey a good way of living, a code of ethics if you will. But it is also extremely dated and of it’s time, and most of it isn’t applicable to modern life. To me religion is more about a community, a group of people with common ground than god is great we’ll all go to heaven stuff. But I’m probably catholicking wrong 😂. I also believe that most belief systems are pretty similar, and Islam, Christianity, Judaism etc are all probably praying to the same deity. Just slightly different rules.

separation of church and state. But increasingly Christianity is being dragged into politics as some sort of justification as to why that side is right. They have god on their side narratives

so am I right in thinking this increasing use of Christianity could end up more of a threat than any other religion?

Those things happen/have happened in overwhelmingly Christian nations in Africa, where the attitude towards homosexuality is hateful, too.

May I remind you of Rwanda, where Christians turned on each other with devastating consequences.

Anecdotally most Christians I know aren’t the marching kind more a bit of tutting but generally understanding of others.

I listened to a podcast (economist maybe) that religion tends to be stronger and more pervasive when circumstances are tougher. Africa is a massive growth area for Christianity and people there were more likely to say that religious rules should be enacted into law.

I wouldn’t say that circumstances are necessarily tougher in the states but the media creates a narrative of being under attack which creates pushback. I’d say a parallel was probably immigration in the UK. The social media landscape that many people get their news from is increasingly polarising.

I’m an atheist and would argue that none of the Abrahamic religions are great for women. Religion in general has probably caused more harm than good. That said if there was no religion would we just find another way of othering each other? Another excuse to rape, maim and kill over land and wealth?

So do you agree that it was wrong for the police to fail to investigate and actually enable rape of white girls on a mass scale because the perpetrators were brown and Muslim?

I’ll stick with the BBC and its correspondents all over the world with in depth knowledge and decades of experience over “alternatives”, if it’s all the same 😁

That sounds like it could be worrying although I have zero faith that this is not being utterly misrepresented and manipulated by groups with an agenda.

There appear to be a number of instances of teachers making spurious referrals to Prevent - one example “An 11-year-old primary school pupil was referred to the government’s controversial counter-radicalisation Prevent programme after a teacher mistook the word “alms” for “arms” during a classroom discussion.”

There will be the ‘ban Andrew Tate’ type referrals which while he is a vile little man, I don’t think he’s a terrorist advocate.

And is the rather glaring issue of the vocal ‘left’ commentators labelling every view they disagree with as ‘far right’, including advocacy for women’s rights.

So, this may be an actual issue but equally it may be a fabricated nonsense perpetuated by people with an agenda.

I watched Trumps inauguration speech and it was alarmingly heavy on the "God", with Trump apparently seeing himself as some divine being.

Yes. There's now an alarming trend of high profile sex offenders and alleged sex offenders suddenly proclaiming themselves "Christian".

I don't mean in the old way we used to see, where after conviction they would claim to have found God and repented and they would humbly ask for forgiveness aka I've seen the light so release me early for good behaviour.

No, this is a new trend. In this version, they're not guilty in the first place. They've done nothing wrong and are being persecuted by their enemies just as Christ and the early Christians were.

It's grotesque.

That was ‘back in the day’ though.

We are talking about now and as far as I can see the thousands of terrorist murders in the last 25 years have been carried out by Muslim extremists.

All religion is a potential threat.

The Rwandan genocide was driven by ethnic hatred, not to promote Christianity.

At no point have I suggested this was acceptable!

The BBC has lost any claim to accuracy or impartiality - it repeatedly and deliberately reports male rapists and murderers as being women, lies about the law and has been attempting to indoctrinate children into gender ideology for years.

They report male athletes as female and the so called BBC Verify team actively lie about important facts.

I use to be a huge supporter of the BBC and proud of what they were but no more.

That’s great, we are in agreement then. Your previous post read like you didn’t think it was as serious but I must have misunderstood.

I've clearly stated throughout that all potential abuse should be investigated.

You make a very good point. Yes, non-violent Christians must condemn violence and racism, especially when it’s coming people claiming to be Christians.

As a Christian, I do condemn acts of violence and racism done in the name of Christianity. I wouldn't join an anti-fascist marches but I sign petitions and comment on Facebook, and on here. I’ve also been involved in work helping asylum seekers. I used to work in an immigration law firm, before I got married 22 years ago, and more recently I helped out at a Christian charity which teaches English to women who are asylum seekers, many of whom are Afghani.

But it shouldn't be an option to do nothing.

Those bits aren't a threat.

All religions rely on their followers having faith and believing in things that can't be proved. Encouraging people to not think for themselves. Conditioning a population to believe things without question, and doing so by instilling guilt and fear. There is the danger.

To think Christianity is becoming the biggest religious threat?

Lol.

The disconnect from reality is quite something.

This is kind of what triggered my o/p though.

like pp said it was probably badly worded and “Christian nationalism” fits better. I wasn’t talking about violence and terrorism, but the increasing number of politicians who are allowing their policies to be dictated, or use the bible to justify their ideas.

but Charlie Kirk, who has a massive following and many people agreeing with him, has openly said education is a waste of time for women, the only reason to go to college is to find a husband and get their “MRS”.

women should be married, having babies. They need men to protect them. He stated the current problems in the western world is women refusing to submit to family life.

taylor swift should submit to her man.

ban abortion, ban contraception in the name of Christianity, and women are back in the kitchen. Having to put up with dv and whatever their man metes out because they can’t afford to separate.

if we look to history Iran and Afghanistan in the 60’s - women in miniskirts and puffy haircuts walking around university campus.

i think we would be mistaken not to look at how they got from a free society to where they are now. I admit if we are on that slop we’re on the very top, but I do think we are on it.

This is all about that Alice Roberts article isn't?

Muslims are much better at organising politically than Christians (I'm using 'Christian' in the sense of people who actually go to church regularly and believe the historic creeds) and population distribution means they can elect MPs in a way Christians can't. I think we're going to see the development of something very close to a Muslim party in the UK, or a situation where Labour MPs sign up to all sorts to hold certain constituencies. But that's too uncomfortable for Alice Roberts etc, so we have to have this nonsense instead.

The association of Christianity with whiteness is also funny. The average young British Christian (again I mean actual Christians) is non-white, urban and worships outside the historic denominations, which are mostly dying. Multicultural London is famously the strongest and most lively part of the UK church scene, whereas 'white British' working class and / or rural areas are notoriously unchurched and hard to reach these days. They might still tick 'C of E' on a census form, but it means absolutely nothing in reality.

No idea, however these aren't the only ways women can be abused or oppressed.

And your thought is as ill-informed as that of the poster you quoted.

If you think Christianity is responsible for the state of Iran and Afghanistan, or that Charlie Kirk, who married a woman older and more highly qualified than himself, and is now dead, represented a desire for a society more oppressive to women than in those countries, I suggest you step away from the Strong Drink.

Nonsense.

All religions are a threat. An awful regressive throwback.

Until we, as a species grow past superstition we will keep stuck in us Vs them cycles.All religion can ever do is divide. Even at its best it just leaves people either controlled or open to exploitation.

You don't see many Christian terrorists.

We usually call them freedom fighters, white supremacists, far-right extremists, very conservative or... mentally unwell.

Terrorist is largely reserved for those other people.

Well said.