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To think Christianity is becoming the biggest religious threat?

299 replies

Mustbethat · 21/09/2025 05:12

With all that is going on in the world I am seeing Christianity becoming more of a problem.

it shocked me to see British people chanting “Christ is king” at the TR rally last week. That’s not really our culture.

then you have the Charlie Kirk/US issues- I am seeing so many people quoting the bible now, using it to justify their reasoning rather than actual facts and statistics.

”the bible tells us” or “the bible says” . The talk of “god-given” rights. Especially in the US where the pledge of allegiance and the constitution seem to be inextricably mixed up with a Christian god.

I am catholic. But I also believe the bible was written by men, not god, it is fallible. It is more of a collection of stories to convey a good way of living, a code of ethics if you will. But it is also extremely dated and of it’s time, and most of it isn’t applicable to modern life. To me religion is more about a community, a group of people with common ground than god is great we’ll all go to heaven stuff. But I’m probably catholicking wrong 😂. I also believe that most belief systems are pretty similar, and Islam, Christianity, Judaism etc are all probably praying to the same deity. Just slightly different rules.

separation of church and state. But increasingly Christianity is being dragged into politics as some sort of justification as to why that side is right. They have god on their side narratives

so am I right in thinking this increasing use of Christianity could end up more of a threat than any other religion?

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MrsSkylerWhite · 21/09/2025 13:27

PearlCluches · 21/09/2025 13:13

When white Christian gangs start going around grooming and raping young Muslim girls then we can start worrying about Christianity being a threat.

Wasn’t a young Sikh woman raped by two racist white thugs very recently? No idea if they affiliated themselves to any particular religion?

Tastaturen · 21/09/2025 13:28

PearlCluches · 21/09/2025 13:24

Yeah, you’re right. Maybe we also need to look at what goes on inside Hasidic faith schools and will never be properly investigated or exposed because of the sheer terror invoked at the mere thought of the word ‘antisemitic’ being bandied about.

Any potential abuses need to be investigated, regardless of the religious background.

NeverEnterFromTheBackDoor · 21/09/2025 13:33

All those preaching 'love thy neighbour'

are you still loving your same sex couple neighbours? Your neighbour who had an abortion at 18 weeks because she didn't want to continue the pregnancy?

doubt it

ViolaPlains · 21/09/2025 13:35

Tell that to the Christians being murdered around the world but not reported about.

Tastaturen · 21/09/2025 13:39

ViolaPlains · 21/09/2025 13:35

Tell that to the Christians being murdered around the world but not reported about.

What's your point exactly?
Some people of a certain religion being murdered doesn't mean that some other people of that religion aren't being abusive!

SolarVie · 21/09/2025 13:42

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002fxr8

This only stopped in the 90's, so I don't think it is a new thing but perhaps getting a resurgence thanks to Trump and the infiltration of society via social media.
The lack of tolerance has certainly grown in the last 20 years.

BBC Two - Inside the Cult of the Jesus Army, Series 1, Episode 1

A look at the origins of the Jesus Fellowship.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002fxr8

KTheGrey · 21/09/2025 13:45

Tastaturen · 21/09/2025 11:34

Sin is a concept made up by men, to control fellow men and women.

No it’s terminology for an act with socially negative consequences into a code of pro social behaviours into a format where people can choose to control themselves or lie about it or bear the consequences of social ostracism.

It is really no different from other forms of law except that we tolerate some diversity of religion under the blanket of nation state law.

Flakey99 · 21/09/2025 13:48

MinnieBaldock · 21/09/2025 05:29

Well firstly, America has always been religious, everywhere you look is a church. Also most convicted criminals always say they have found God.
I would personally like to think that Christianity is alive and thriving.
You don't see many Christian terrorists.

No Christian terrorists? 🤣🤣

Have you not read about the Christian Crusades in your school history lessons? They were one of the original terrorist organisations and were hell bent on wiping out the threat of Islam, so nothing much has changed in hundreds of years.

Men are still using their version of God and Religion as an excuse for genocide. ☹️

The entire world would be a much better place without any competing religious nonsense.

NeverEnterFromTheBackDoor · 21/09/2025 13:49

KTheGrey · 21/09/2025 13:45

No it’s terminology for an act with socially negative consequences into a code of pro social behaviours into a format where people can choose to control themselves or lie about it or bear the consequences of social ostracism.

It is really no different from other forms of law except that we tolerate some diversity of religion under the blanket of nation state law.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

SisterTeatime · 21/09/2025 13:49

TheChoiceWithinDestiny · 21/09/2025 11:56

I do feel as well the current limits are a lot to do with enabling an inefficient abortion service and delays and they account for that, as for some reason women often have to wait too long after deciding they need an abortion. Perhaps there is a discussion to be had from that perspective as I assume if the services were easier to access and quicker then more abortions would be done earlier without any need to change the legal limit. As it is a tiny fraction of abortions are later ones anyway but in many cases women have to wait when they would do it earlier if only they could get an appt etc

I agree - I had a termination many years ago (a contraceptive failure, believe it or not MN!). I would have had it at two weeks if I could have, it was seven weeks and I had it privately in the end, after a lot of to-ing and fro-ing within the NHS for various reasons. I was lucky to have that option. Abortion and infanticide have always been facts of life for human beings; personally I think religion has some valuable things to say about it, but laws have to be pragmatic, not idealistic. Abortion wasn’t a hot issue in the US until relatively recently.

KTheGrey · 21/09/2025 13:49

Parker231 · 21/09/2025 12:09

Sin is a religious concept to try and force people to behave a certain way. You can behave in the right way because you are a decent human being and not because of religious rules.

But we do not ever have society without rules - rules make society, whether it is religious or secular (law).

Without rules you have no farming or industry and barbarism or tribal warfare.

Tastaturen · 21/09/2025 13:51

KTheGrey · 21/09/2025 13:45

No it’s terminology for an act with socially negative consequences into a code of pro social behaviours into a format where people can choose to control themselves or lie about it or bear the consequences of social ostracism.

It is really no different from other forms of law except that we tolerate some diversity of religion under the blanket of nation state law.

Sin is made up 'terminology', which is used by religious groups, and which has no legal meaning in the UK legal system. It's completely separate from other concepts of law. HTH

Tastaturen · 21/09/2025 13:52

KTheGrey · 21/09/2025 13:49

But we do not ever have society without rules - rules make society, whether it is religious or secular (law).

Without rules you have no farming or industry and barbarism or tribal warfare.

Right and wrong or rules are completely separate from the concept of religious sin.

SolarVie · 21/09/2025 13:55

MrsSkylerWhite · 21/09/2025 13:27

Wasn’t a young Sikh woman raped by two racist white thugs very recently? No idea if they affiliated themselves to any particular religion?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_and_prostitution_in_South_Korea

If they did it in Korea...

United States military and prostitution in South Korea - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_and_prostitution_in_South_Korea

MrsSkylerWhite · 21/09/2025 13:58

No, in the UK.

MrsSkylerWhite · 21/09/2025 13:59

A week ago. Man arrested by West
Midlands police.

lazyarse123 · 21/09/2025 14:01

ItMustBeBedtimeSurely · 21/09/2025 08:03

I think all religions are a threat because they allow people to justify the unjustifiable. And history has proven over and over that they can be hijacked by the worst elements of society. Christianity is not better or safer.

I agree with this. The way America is justifying things atm is terrible.
I posted on FB agreeing with someone who didn't agree with Charlie kirks views but was appalled by his murder. Simple enough you might think but no, I was told that I was an awful person and that it was lucky that my mum was pro life as this woman would have aborted me even though she didn't agree with it. Not very Christian of her. They do their cause no good.

SolarVie · 21/09/2025 14:02

MrsSkylerWhite · 21/09/2025 13:58

No, in the UK.

My point is armies do this as par for the course. US army is in legal battles with Korean rape survivors when they decided to perform mass rapes and label them "prostitutes". Christian country.

ginasevern · 21/09/2025 14:05

I've not read about too many Christian terrorists to be honest. Neither have I heard about Christian parents putting death threats on teachers or staff at a publishing house being murdered in cold blood because of a satirical depiction of Jesus.

GreyTraybake · 21/09/2025 14:07

Oh get fucked.

Islam is the problem and you know it

YourEagerFox · 21/09/2025 14:08

I strongly disagree with you. There is another religion that one could say has become very problematic in the past 10-20 years and has been the root motivation for many past terrorist attacks. If you are going to argue Christianity has become a problem I think it is only fair to mention the ‘other’ major religion? Why choose to ignore the elephant in the room OP?

GreyTraybake · 21/09/2025 14:09

Remember that group who kidnapped all the children and converted them....

PearlCluches · 21/09/2025 14:09

Tastaturen · 21/09/2025 13:28

Any potential abuses need to be investigated, regardless of the religious background.

Exactly. But these ones involving one particular religious sect aren’t. I wonder why?

bigbluefish · 21/09/2025 14:12

akkakk · 21/09/2025 05:22

If you look at what the Bible says then the narrative is not threat but redemption for sinners - an opportunity for those who have done what is wrong (all of us) to bring that to God and be forgiven and start afresh - the penalty for our sin being bought by Christ dying on the cross…

so, no Christianity is not a threat - sure there will always be those who do wrong things in the name of something else, but following Christ and living a life where the priority day by day is a stronger relationship with Christ / God will always be a positive thing…

And yes - God is King over the whole world - there will be many who won’t like it but that doesn’t change reality…

your post though is a bit surprising if you claim to be a Catholic as it doesn’t sit alongside the creed of the Roman Catholic Church - certainly your church would not consider religions to be the same or have any issue with people recognising God as King - perhaps something to chat through with your priest?

This 🫶🏼

Tastaturen · 21/09/2025 14:15

ginasevern · 21/09/2025 14:05

I've not read about too many Christian terrorists to be honest. Neither have I heard about Christian parents putting death threats on teachers or staff at a publishing house being murdered in cold blood because of a satirical depiction of Jesus.

You realise that threats don't just come under the name of 'terrorism' right? Most religions promote wide spread oppression, especially of women and children, and blind obedience.

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