To think Christianity is becoming the biggest religious threat?

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With all that is going on in the world I am seeing Christianity becoming more of a problem.

it shocked me to see British people chanting “Christ is king” at the TR rally last week. That’s not really our culture.

then you have the Charlie Kirk/US issues- I am seeing so many people quoting the bible now, using it to justify their reasoning rather than actual facts and statistics.

”the bible tells us” or “the bible says” . The talk of “god-given” rights. Especially in the US where the pledge of allegiance and the constitution seem to be inextricably mixed up with a Christian god.

I am catholic. But I also believe the bible was written by men, not god, it is fallible. It is more of a collection of stories to convey a good way of living, a code of ethics if you will. But it is also extremely dated and of it’s time, and most of it isn’t applicable to modern life. To me religion is more about a community, a group of people with common ground than god is great we’ll all go to heaven stuff. But I’m probably catholicking wrong 😂. I also believe that most belief systems are pretty similar, and Islam, Christianity, Judaism etc are all probably praying to the same deity. Just slightly different rules.

separation of church and state. But increasingly Christianity is being dragged into politics as some sort of justification as to why that side is right. They have god on their side narratives

so am I right in thinking this increasing use of Christianity could end up more of a threat than any other religion?

Not really, if someone kills a bunch of people then claims it’s down to christian teachings and for christendom then I think no-one wouldn’t have a problem saying “that there is a Christian fundamentalist terrorist”. I certainly wouldn’t.

It’s just that the groups you mentioned are motivated by things like race and politics (nationalism etc) and you have to commit an actual terror act. Which is why Hamas is a designated terror group and random neo-nazis sitting in their mums basement chatting shit on the internet aren’t.

I think maybe it’s because so many women do have children and have sat through scans of their own babies etc. I feel like their should be limits but I’m not 100% sure where they are.

A very carefully thought out rebuttal!

Maybe read my response and those of others to the post you quoted before embarrassing yourself further by your lack of understanding of the Troubles.

I think you would be hard pressed to get people to give a shit about people being gay. My parents are from the subcontinent (not famous for tolerance) and my siblings best gay mate stayed at the house for weeks. No-one cared that he’s gay. You aren’t going to suddenly wake up one day and find the population has done a 180 on gay people and abortion. 94% of the population think abortion should be legal. I don’t know what the figures are on opinions on homosexuality but I’m guessing the vast majority of people simply don’t care enough to want to persecute gay people.

Again, that's what many in the US thought.

They believe that God ordained Christianity as the religion of their countries, hence they hate Jews, Muslims and everyone else. The fact they're not declaring the name of Jesus after each atrocity does not negate that.

A lot of isms are spread from the pulpit and much of white supremacists rantings are based on historical Christian beliefs.
You can trace this back from slavery right through to the more contemporary issues around white hegemony and women's subordination.

"It’s important for moderate and non-violent Christians to stand up and condemn violence and racism, including against vulnerable groups like refugees"

And yet this standard isn't applied to other religions is it? For example, say a teacher received death threats from people in a different religious community. And say that teacher had to go into hiding for fear of his life for years because of these religious lunatics. Imagine having to move from your home, family, friends, career, community and everything you know under threats of death.

It would be nice for the moderate members of that religion to come out and condemn this type of attitude and to reassure people that this kind of behaviour wouldn't be tolerated discouraging people from discussing it and accusing them of sweeping it under the carpet. Including violence and racism against vulnerable members of our community...like girls in the care system, specifically targeted because of their race and ethnicity because of common xenophobic and misogynistic attitudes.

Amen, Sister.

Agenda Free TV are showing Charlie Kirks memorial service at the moment.

Enlightening, but not necessarily in a good way.

Dont let the truth get in the way of hysteria. I am an atheist who dislikes evangelical christianity but the delusion of OP and pp is something else.

Why do you doubt it?

Do you believe that "love your neighbour as yourself" means "agree with everything everyone does and never express anything other than affirmation"?

If you think about it from another perspective you might come to understand that when a Christian "preaches" such things, it is an act of love. Can you imagine believing in the prospect of eternity in hell and not warning others about it?

It's an act of love, whether you agree with them or not. Their intent comes from love, not hate.

You cannot be so blind as not to see how Trump and the Republicans want a return to the Trad Wife? Really, it's common knowledge, starting with reducing bodily autonomy with abortions, education with banning books - so much reversal in equity and ALL based on his version of the Christian religion. https://theconversation.com/what-trumps-first-100-days-mean-for-americas-women-255269

That's what all of the Tommy followers were doing last weekend was it? I can almost guarantee the majority of those were raised CofE.
Compassion seems to be amiss at the very least.

"No Christian terrorists? 🤣🤣

Have you not read about the Christian Crusades in your school history lessons? They were one of the original terrorist organisations and were hell bent on wiping out the threat of Islam, so nothing much has changed in hundreds of years.

Men are still using their version of God and Religion as an excuse for genocide. ☹️

The entire world would be a much better place without any competing religious nonsense."

Incredible that on a thread discussing the biggest modern day threat, you thought it relevant to go back centuries. And also interesting that you'd call the crusaders some of the "original" terrorists, considering the crusades were a reaction to Islamic conquest... or did the cuddly Muslims come to rule by handing out lollipops and free hugs?

Islamic terrorism was brought up in the thread because OP questioned whether Christianity was the biggest threat...current day. I don't know about you, but I've never in my day-to-day life felt threatened by 11th century crusaders so I don't think it's relevant...I have felt pretty traumatised and frightened by the repeated acts of terror committed on European streets in the last couple of decades though.

So what examples do you have that are widespread across entire Christian countries, exclusive to Christianity and are on a par with killing women in the name of Islam as I described?

Yes to this

"That's what all of the Tommy followers were doing last weekend was it? I can almost guarantee the majority of those were raised CofE.
Compassion seems to be amiss at the very least."

I have absolutely no idea what they were doing, because I wasn't there and I spend very little time on social media @SolarVie

I don't see what that has to do with my post or why you're bringing it up in response. From a Christian perspective, loving your neighbour does include words of honesty, not just affirmation. No matter what one group of people or another say or do, that doesn't change.

I'm also intrigued by how you can "almost guarantee the majority" were raised CoE? Nor how that ties in to lacking in compassion.

Because CofE is by far the biggest proponent of schools in England, which is still the most commonly accepted religion for English census with over 46% of the public calling themselves Christian.

It's not Jewish people following Tommy or Hindu's or Muslims, you can bet your arse that is certain!

You think they are all following Christian ideals, marching to stop refugees and agreeing with Elon Musk to overthrow democracy because of it?

"Because CofE is by far the biggest proponent of schools in England, which is still the most commonly accepted religion for English census with over 46% of the public calling themselves Christian.

It's not Jewish people following Tommy or Hindu's or Muslims, you can bet your arse that is certain!

You think they are all following Christian ideals, marching to stop refugees and agreeing with Elon Musk to overthrow democracy because of it?"

Eh? What on earth are you talking about? Please go back to my posts and quote where I claimed any marchers were following Christian ideals.

I will repeat @SolarVie I have absolutely no idea what people were marching for nor do I know what they were doing or saying and I don't know what you think any of that had to do with my post that you initially responded to.

If your assumption is that the marchers not being Hindu, Muslim or Jewish means that you can personally "almost guarantee" they were raised CoE, and that somehow proves something about my post, and that the words of one group of people reflects on Christianity, then you've lost me entirely. Your post means nothing to me, I'm sorry, I just don't understand what your point is.

@SwedeAtTheFinnishLine Well, assuming you are in/from UK you can't fail to have seen the marches in London with 150k people, protesting against "immigrants". These people, much as it is with Republican America, are largely white and raised in Christian England. We know this because the ringleader from this country is Tommy Robinson, with priors for violence against people who are not white or Christian. Anyone from another culture living in UK is aware of this man because of his long list of arrests and public disorder from English Defence League to just punching people in the street because they are a different colour (that was this year and filmed). No one who isn't white or practices another faith would follow this man, especially in a large crowd of his very white, very christian followers.

Who’s going to suddenly wake up and do a 180 on their beliefs. Who’s enforcing this? What on earth are you on about?

Lots of people throughout history have had a major change of belief - just look at how folk become 'born again' or 'converts'.

Who? Who is your example here? Cos when people blow other people up in the name of religion they say it. You don’t have to intuit it.

What hellish dystopian paranoid landscape exists in your brain? You think the UK is going to be overcome by a wave of people adhering to the most extreme forms of Christianity? What like in ten years mumsnet is going to be full of tradwives

only 4% of americans identify as atheists, in the UK atheist, agnostics and no religion makes up 37% of the population. How do you think you are going to get almost 40% of the population to decide they are in fact bible bashers on the inside.

“Especially in the US where the pledge of allegiance and the constitution seem to be inextricably mixed up with a Christian god.”

Tell me you know nothing about this country without telling me you know nothing about it. Here in the US, we believe our rights came from God. We are one nation under God. It’s what we believe. May not be what you believe, but it’s not your country.