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To think Christianity is becoming the biggest religious threat?

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Mustbethat · 21/09/2025 05:12

With all that is going on in the world I am seeing Christianity becoming more of a problem.

it shocked me to see British people chanting “Christ is king” at the TR rally last week. That’s not really our culture.

then you have the Charlie Kirk/US issues- I am seeing so many people quoting the bible now, using it to justify their reasoning rather than actual facts and statistics.

”the bible tells us” or “the bible says” . The talk of “god-given” rights. Especially in the US where the pledge of allegiance and the constitution seem to be inextricably mixed up with a Christian god.

I am catholic. But I also believe the bible was written by men, not god, it is fallible. It is more of a collection of stories to convey a good way of living, a code of ethics if you will. But it is also extremely dated and of it’s time, and most of it isn’t applicable to modern life. To me religion is more about a community, a group of people with common ground than god is great we’ll all go to heaven stuff. But I’m probably catholicking wrong 😂. I also believe that most belief systems are pretty similar, and Islam, Christianity, Judaism etc are all probably praying to the same deity. Just slightly different rules.

separation of church and state. But increasingly Christianity is being dragged into politics as some sort of justification as to why that side is right. They have god on their side narratives

so am I right in thinking this increasing use of Christianity could end up more of a threat than any other religion?

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AnnaBalfour · 21/09/2025 14:15

The bible preaches love, love of God, love of neighbour.

Many religions don’t actually follow what the bible says and act in direct opposition to it. Participating in wars, politics and pagan traditions are contrary to the bible.

Tastaturen · 21/09/2025 14:16

PearlCluches · 21/09/2025 14:09

Exactly. But these ones involving one particular religious sect aren’t. I wonder why?

No idea, report them if you are aware of them.

Tastaturen · 21/09/2025 14:17

AnnaBalfour · 21/09/2025 14:15

The bible preaches love, love of God, love of neighbour.

Many religions don’t actually follow what the bible says and act in direct opposition to it. Participating in wars, politics and pagan traditions are contrary to the bible.

It's conditional love though, despite many christians trying to promote the idea that it's unconditional.

BundleBoogie · 21/09/2025 14:17

Tastaturen · 21/09/2025 13:15

It's not that simple, it really isn't.
Also, are you forgetting the huge number of abuse cases in the catholic church, mormon church and various other 'churches'?

None of the churches targeted their victims on the basis of race.

There is huge evidence that the Muslim grooming gangs targeted the girls because they were white.

The point being that we need to recognise the risk from Islam, in giving men an alleged ‘free pass’ to rape white girls, the number of people killed in Islamist terrorist attacks or the extremist orders to kill Christians and Jews that are apparently being issued at the moment.

We acknowledge the problems of sex abuse generated by the Christian church and it is being dealt with. That shouldn’t prevent us recognising the serious harms caused by other groups.

Tastaturen · 21/09/2025 14:18

BundleBoogie · 21/09/2025 14:17

None of the churches targeted their victims on the basis of race.

There is huge evidence that the Muslim grooming gangs targeted the girls because they were white.

The point being that we need to recognise the risk from Islam, in giving men an alleged ‘free pass’ to rape white girls, the number of people killed in Islamist terrorist attacks or the extremist orders to kill Christians and Jews that are apparently being issued at the moment.

We acknowledge the problems of sex abuse generated by the Christian church and it is being dealt with. That shouldn’t prevent us recognising the serious harms caused by other groups.

No, they targeted them for being pre-pubertal boys, in many cases. Abuse is abuse.
I've clearly stated that ALL abuse should be investigated.

GreyTraybake · 21/09/2025 14:19

Tastaturen · 21/09/2025 14:18

No, they targeted them for being pre-pubertal boys, in many cases. Abuse is abuse.
I've clearly stated that ALL abuse should be investigated.

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And Islam is more of a threat

AnnaBalfour · 21/09/2025 14:23

@Tastaturen

Absolutely not. Love of neighbour regardless of who they are or what they believe. It’s not the type of love we have for our families and friends, it’s a principled love. Christ said it would be an identifying mark of true religion, which rules most religions out.

BundleBoogie · 21/09/2025 14:24

Flakey99 · 21/09/2025 13:48

No Christian terrorists? 🤣🤣

Have you not read about the Christian Crusades in your school history lessons? They were one of the original terrorist organisations and were hell bent on wiping out the threat of Islam, so nothing much has changed in hundreds of years.

Men are still using their version of God and Religion as an excuse for genocide. ☹️

The entire world would be a much better place without any competing religious nonsense.

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The fact that you have to go back to 1095 to make your point rather answers the question.

75% of the workload of MI5 is preventing Islamic terrorism. We have to spend vast sums of money and change aspects of our life protecting ourselves from those terrorist attacks.

With 9/11, the London bombings, the Ariana Grande concert bombing, Islamic terrorists have killed thousands in recent years and you need to go back 1000 years to find anything remotely comparable.

GreyTraybake · 21/09/2025 14:25

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ginasevern · 21/09/2025 14:26

Tastaturen · 21/09/2025 14:15

You realise that threats don't just come under the name of 'terrorism' right? Most religions promote wide spread oppression, especially of women and children, and blind obedience.

Yes, I do know it's not just about terrorism and if you read my post properly you'd realise that. For example, I said that Christian parents don't issue very real death threats against teachers. Neither have I heard of Christians beheading those that they perceive to have misrepresented their faith. But yes, I totally agree that all organised religions have been created by men for men. And for clarity, I don't belong to one.

AnnaBalfour · 21/09/2025 14:28

@GreyTraybake

that is such a generalisation about Muslims

BlueShiney · 21/09/2025 14:29

IMO these thoughts should extend to ALL religions. Religion should have no place in politics and laws. Speaking as an atheist, I don’t believe any of it full stop and it blows my mind that religions has such a strong hold over life in general. I find it severely problematic on so many levels.

Women being told they aren’t allowed to have an abortion under any circumstance because of those in power hold such strong religious views?! I think not. Religious beliefs (which I view as fairy stories) don’t get to dictate what a woman can do with her own body. Fine for those who hold those views but don’t try to dictate what others do based on your beliefs.

Woman seen as second class citizens, in some countries more that others. I could go on but I’ll stop there!

So ALL religions should be personal choice but should hold no place in any politics or laws, ever!

lazyarse123 · 21/09/2025 14:29

GreyTraybake · 21/09/2025 14:19

And Islam is more of a threat

Fundamentalists of any religion are a threat especially to vulnerable people.
Yes Islam is a major threat but that doesn't mean we get to shrug our shoulders and say christianity isn't an issue because it's not as big as threat.
I was raped at 6 year old by my white, middle class, Catholic step father who was very religious so excuse me if I don't have time for religion. I also attended a Catholic school with nuns for a month and they were the cruelest most hateful people on the planet.

AnnaBalfour · 21/09/2025 14:31

@lazyarse123 so sorry about your experience 💐

Namechangedatheist · 21/09/2025 14:31

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This says so much more about you than about Muslims.

BundleBoogie · 21/09/2025 14:34

ginasevern · 21/09/2025 14:05

I've not read about too many Christian terrorists to be honest. Neither have I heard about Christian parents putting death threats on teachers or staff at a publishing house being murdered in cold blood because of a satirical depiction of Jesus.

Or any teachers being beheaded for mentioning Jesus in the wrong way.

MrsSkylerWhite · 21/09/2025 14:35

BundleBoogie · 21/09/2025 14:24

The fact that you have to go back to 1095 to make your point rather answers the question.

75% of the workload of MI5 is preventing Islamic terrorism. We have to spend vast sums of money and change aspects of our life protecting ourselves from those terrorist attacks.

With 9/11, the London bombings, the Ariana Grande concert bombing, Islamic terrorists have killed thousands in recent years and you need to go back 1000 years to find anything remotely comparable.

Heard on Radio 4 recently, can’t recall whether Today or PM, that 60% of the workload of Prevent is now intervening with young, working class white adolescents, vast majority male, who are being drawn in online and radicalised by the far right. Some of them planning extreme terrorism. Really frightening.

NigelFaragesFakeRoarofLaughter · 21/09/2025 14:38

I disagree with the OP's wording suggesting Christianity itself is the problem, and am not getting sidetracked into a competition about what is MOST dangerous.

But the OP is not wrong that Christian Nationalism, rather than Christianity, is dangerous and is rising fast. It's increasingly being tapped into by powerful, well-funded people to build their base.

https://humanists.uk/2025/09/17/rising-christian-nationalism-a-threat-to-us-all/

We can't lalala our way out of this by whataboutery or by false dichotomies.

Other extremists being a threat does not make Christian Nationalism not a threat.

Christians being persecuted over there does not make Christian Nationalism harmless over here.

There are people benefitting from rising polarisation and extremism, and Christian Nationalism is another shit thing on the list of shit things we're now having to deal with.

Rising Christian nationalism: a threat to us all

Scenes on Saturday of Christian preachers denouncing ‘Secular Humanism’ from the main stage of Tommy Robinson’s radical right Unite the Kingdom rally in London may have been surprising to see on the streets of London, but they are just the latest evide...

https://humanists.uk/2025/09/17/rising-christian-nationalism-a-threat-to-us-all/

Livelovebehappy · 21/09/2025 14:38

FallingIntoAutumn · 21/09/2025 09:19

Not when tweaking it means getting rid of it to the highest bidder.

No, but it does need a huge overhaul. Whether that’s part privatisation, or charges implemented for some services - ie, A&E is so abused. So many people using it as an extension of their GP surgery. Usually because GP service is another part of the NHS which is not fit for service. Maybe introducing a nominal charge will mean people will use it for its original purpose - emergencies.

hadjustaboutenough · 21/09/2025 14:39

Absolutely not. I don't see many Christians going out and saying women must not be educated, heard, or even seen. I haven't heard of many Christians killing people of other faiths (or no faith at all) and using the Bible to defend their violence.

I find it difficult to believe that anyone honestly believes Christianity is more of a threat to civilisation than any other religion (or the replacements for religion that some have concocted). It boggles my mind. We must be living in different worlds.

Uricon2 · 21/09/2025 14:45

Extremism, nationalism, fundamentalism (often very entwined) and their accompanying evil, intolerance are the threat, whichever brand of religion or "patriotism" is being invoked. They are the common enemy of the vast swathes of people, Christian, Muslim, of all beliefs and no belief who just want to get on with life and none of us can afford to lose sight of that.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 21/09/2025 14:49

RampantIvy · 21/09/2025 07:59

The IRA back in the day?

My first thought, too.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 21/09/2025 14:53

NigelFaragesFakeRoarofLaughter · 21/09/2025 14:38

I disagree with the OP's wording suggesting Christianity itself is the problem, and am not getting sidetracked into a competition about what is MOST dangerous.

But the OP is not wrong that Christian Nationalism, rather than Christianity, is dangerous and is rising fast. It's increasingly being tapped into by powerful, well-funded people to build their base.

https://humanists.uk/2025/09/17/rising-christian-nationalism-a-threat-to-us-all/

We can't lalala our way out of this by whataboutery or by false dichotomies.

Other extremists being a threat does not make Christian Nationalism not a threat.

Christians being persecuted over there does not make Christian Nationalism harmless over here.

There are people benefitting from rising polarisation and extremism, and Christian Nationalism is another shit thing on the list of shit things we're now having to deal with.

This.

There is a documentary on YouTube called "Praying for Armageddon" made a few tears ago that deep dives into the fact that fundamentalist Christians hold much power and influence in the US, some may well be cynically in it for the power and the money, but a good number actually believe that current world events are necessary to bring about the Second Coming / The rapture.

They are intent on making Revelations a self fulfilling prophecy it seems.

I watched Trumps inauguration speech and it was alarmingly heavy on the "God", with Trump apparently seeing himself as some divine being.

The speech given by Chalie Kirks widow referenced "spiritual warfare" and those of a similar bent are quick to call out "demonic" influences, which seems a tad regressive at this point in history.

Personal faith and being nice to your neighbours so your Sky Daddy gives you a nice afterlife are one thing; raising armies to vanquish invisible and unproven foes and passing laws steeped in hatred and bigotry are another matter, and this is becoming a very vocal narrative in policy making in the US.

We have sex / gender wars, race wars, resource wars and now a brewing religious war, and it's going to be a numbers game whichever way you cut it, with plenty of collateral damage along the way if we don't keep an eye on it.

BundleBoogie · 21/09/2025 14:54

Tastaturen · 21/09/2025 14:15

You realise that threats don't just come under the name of 'terrorism' right? Most religions promote wide spread oppression, especially of women and children, and blind obedience.

How many Christian women have been killed for not covering their hair or face properly? Or stoned to death for being raped aka having sex outside marriage?

totallyoutnumbered · 21/09/2025 14:56

MrsSkylerWhite · 21/09/2025 14:35

Heard on Radio 4 recently, can’t recall whether Today or PM, that 60% of the workload of Prevent is now intervening with young, working class white adolescents, vast majority male, who are being drawn in online and radicalised by the far right. Some of them planning extreme terrorism. Really frightening.

I heard this and work in a safeguarding capacity with the group of young men discussed. I also don’t rely on the BBC for all my information these days as there is so much sway along with the tabloids in the UK. It’s a minefield but there are alternatives to our news intake and it takes time to consume. I hate the division in our country and the world over

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