Teacher conduct - clapping at DS

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DS 13 got sent out of class today for talking to another student (friend) and not paying attention when he should have been.
He got a warning first.
He talked again to the same student a second time about 10 minutes later.
For this, he got sent out of the room to go in to isolation for the rest of the school day, followed by an hour after school detention.

As he got his stuff together and walked out of the room, the teacher started clapping at him. He said to DS "Well done you just got yourself an isolation and a detention" then clapped with his hands raised up above his head and carried on clapping at DS as he walked through the room and out of the door. Whilst the teacher was clapping, the other students joined in and started clapping too, and the teacher allowed this and carried on himself.

I've had dialogue with the school to confirm that DS was talking and to check whether he was doing anything more than this, and the teacher has confirmed that he was punished for talking when he should have been listening to the teacher, on 2 separate occasions in the lesson. Nothing more.

I accept that talking when he shouldn't have been talking and that this has received a punishment of being sent out, sent to isolation and given a 1 hour detention. But I've got a really big issue with the clapping. DS accepts he shouldn't have been talking and has aplogised about this and seems regretful for his actions. But he says the clapping from the teacher and other students whilst he walked through them all to leave the room made him feel humiliated and I've taken issue with this.

AIBU?

This is exactly the point. Nothing was thrown. The teacher, from what has been reported, didn’t even raise his voice.

Yet some petulant parent is still going to complain to the school rather than tell their kid to buck up.

Thankfully, there are some lovely teachers on here who were able to read and comprehend the thread before making their pronouncement. So you don’t need to worry.

So inappropriate behaviour is only ever shouting or throwing things then? Nothing else? In that case, OP’s son did nothing wrong either.

Its awful isnt it? A teacher cant even humiliate a kid now. Sad times.

The ‘petulant parent’ has ALREADY told her kid to buck up, and is supporting the sanction imposed on him, @iseethembloom. She is objecting to her child being humiliated by the teacher.

How is humiliation an acceptable punishment? Would you accept being humiliated by your boss, in front of (and including) your colleagues for a minor mistake at work?

British kids are some of the worst behaved schoolchildren in the world.

Something to think about the next time you decide to complain about a teacher's conduct.

So you have read all OP's posts but think she is lying? What is the point of making up your own scenario and replying to that? The teacher has confirmed what her son has said about his behaviour (or do you thing she is lying about that too?) The teacher appears to have gone beyond the schools published behaviour policy which is Warning, Detention, then Exclusion for persistent behaviour before the clapping even occurred.

This makes as much sense as saying "British weather is some of the worst in the world. Something to think about if you decide to complain your steak is cold"

Why shouldn't she complain? If the school wants to back this teacher, they can. If OP's complaint is one of many from other parents, the school will take it seriously.

As a teacher, I agree with those who have said it is not acceptable for the teacher to clap like that.
Our job is not to humiliate, we are there to teach and encourage, often discipline, but not in that sort of way.
I am the first to admit that long days, difficult classes, never ending hassle, a to do list and not time to do it, all means it’s a stressful job with time pressures and we can reach the end of our patience… but this doesn’t quite sound like that.
I will often say to students, that we don’t always get it right, occasionally we will wrongly blame a student for something, there are 30 students and one of me… but I’m always happy to own that mistake if it ever happens.
The fact that the teacher is younger and according to your replies, slightly ‘casual’ in his approach is probably irrelevant - but it does sound to me as though he is trying to be the class’s ‘friend’ with his clapping. Teachers are not there to be popular with students, or to be their friend. It very much sounds like he’s trying to get the class onside for whatever reason, become ‘relatable’, not very clever tactics I must say!
Contact the Dept Head of PE, copy in DS’s Leader of Year or whatever equivalent he has. Potentially his tutor. I would expect the teacher in question to be spoken to and given some guidance on how to appropriately deal with minor behaviour issues. How does you DS feel about his next lesson with him? Perhaps a restorative conversation could be suggested and arranged between teacher and DS?

Adding on to say - totally agree with the removal from lesson, as you’ve agreed with it … the behaviour is not what is being debated here. The clapping is what needs to be addressed.

Yea - I guess I’m totally fine with the clapping. 🤷 ‘well done’.

Far too sensitive - he wasn’t dragged out by his collar!

I know. We should start a gofundme for him. He must be so diminished surrounded by the teachers that manage their students without public humiliation.

He didn't need to be - he was walking out anyway!

You really are that parent. Your child is taking learning time away from students that want to achieve. He is disruptive and no doubt the teacher has had enough of him already.

I am a teacher. The clapping and humiliation is very unprofessional and I would complain about it. It’s not acceptable even if it was a child who repeatedly disrupts lessons (which is sounds like your child is not). Teachers should never humiliate pupils. However, I have seen teachers do this, and often to usually well-behaved pupils who they know will not answer back.

Yes, this is my experience too. Poor teachers will use easy an target to get a laugh from the rest of the class.

It's not OK and my school would take a concern like OP's seriously. I'd be interested to hear that response OP because I don't think they will try and justify it like so many here have.

And if hes one of these teachers leaving in droves after being pulled up once for his humiliating conduct, he wouldn't be sensitive or overreacting at all, or need to suck it up and get over it, absolutely not.

The school and the @opreally would have genuine reason to be concerned if the teacher didn’t bother trying to teach and let his students do as they please, with lessons in chaos.

These are precisely the teachers management usually worry about.

I doubt they’ll be bothered about this incident.
Management will let this go over their head or say to him ‘yeh, sorry we’ve had this complaint. Try not to do that again. Oh, and by the way, watch out for that kid. His mother is ‘one of those’”

British buses are alway late, something to think about next time you’re complaining about the M25!

It was a fun PE lesson not an A level class! OP can be that parent if she wants. Up to the school to decide. Or she may be raising concerns about a teacher who is already on the radar for questionable behaviour.

Wonder how much key skill benchball learning time the teacher took away with the disruptive clapping and getting everyone to join in?

The teacher had managed the situation by removing disruptive child from the class. What did the clapping add....apart from more disruption to the class?

🤣🤣

Spiders have 8 legs. Something to think about next time you complain you have cramp.

Clapping is humiliation now is it? 😂

So if your boss organised a round of applause for you after you'd made a mistake in your work, that would be a completely neutral act?