Teacher conduct - clapping at DS

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DS 13 got sent out of class today for talking to another student (friend) and not paying attention when he should have been.
He got a warning first.
He talked again to the same student a second time about 10 minutes later.
For this, he got sent out of the room to go in to isolation for the rest of the school day, followed by an hour after school detention.

As he got his stuff together and walked out of the room, the teacher started clapping at him. He said to DS "Well done you just got yourself an isolation and a detention" then clapped with his hands raised up above his head and carried on clapping at DS as he walked through the room and out of the door. Whilst the teacher was clapping, the other students joined in and started clapping too, and the teacher allowed this and carried on himself.

I've had dialogue with the school to confirm that DS was talking and to check whether he was doing anything more than this, and the teacher has confirmed that he was punished for talking when he should have been listening to the teacher, on 2 separate occasions in the lesson. Nothing more.

I accept that talking when he shouldn't have been talking and that this has received a punishment of being sent out, sent to isolation and given a 1 hour detention. But I've got a really big issue with the clapping. DS accepts he shouldn't have been talking and has aplogised about this and seems regretful for his actions. But he says the clapping from the teacher and other students whilst he walked through them all to leave the room made him feel humiliated and I've taken issue with this.

AIBU?

Are you perhaps reading a different post?
The mum has repeatedly said that she accepts he was talking and deserved punishment. The child has admitted he was talking. His school report thing shows he's normally a good kid. So I'm not sure what post you're reading.

If there were zero tolerance for teachers’ attempts to control their classrooms, there would be also be zero teachers.

Personally I would write this off. He should have learnt he lesson and won’t do it again. If this does happen again then raise it. Going to the school simply shows your son that whatever discipline is given you’ll go and get the teacher in trouble. Will this mean next time he chats away knowing the consequence could be written off with mums help?

But mum has accepted the detention and the isolation which actually goes beyond the school's behaviour policy.

I would let him fight his own battle on this and address it a second time.

What form do you suggest 'fighting his own battles' actually takes?

Considering it was a Wednesday its not likely it was the 20th lesson of the week.

And if every single lesson he has this endless relentless disruption then hes a shit teacher anyway who cant engage a class.

If we're expecting 13 year olds to have impulse control and not talk, then theres an even bigger expectation on an adult teacher, who is in a position of trust, to not lose their shit over a kid chattering twice.

And he may not have used belittling verbal language, but his actions were belittling.

Plus, the teacher sounds like an all round twat, so op is right to raise his very concerning immature behaviour to the school. Particularly as he could be having some sort of MH issue affecting his conduct.

Then find better ways to discipline.

So much is said about 'snowflake' children, but we also seem to have a lot of 'snowflake' teachers these days who seem unable to form a decent working relationship with the pupils they teach build on mutual respect, but instead have to fall back on nit-picking and intimidation.

The school has a strict behaviour policy which the teacher could and did implement. Clapping the pupil out is not part of that policy. The teacher is the one that needs to follow the rules.

Reasons like this are the reason so many teachers are leaving the profession. If the little darling had behaved himself things would have been fine.

Probably because the teacher's behaviour was so out of the ordinary, that it was worth talking about.

Teachers are leaving because it gets raised as a concern when they humiliate a kid?

Great!

OP is perfectly supportive of the teacher issuing both the detention. The teacher's behaviour probably caused way more disruption to the class than the DS talking to his friend.

Seriously? Disrupting the education? It sounded like a fun PE class until this occurred.

Shall all the people who disagree with you clap you as you leave the thread @Jibberishforever?

Doing a slow hand clap is definitely not ‘losing your shit’. Shouting, chucking something, name calling… these indicate a loss of control.

But it didn't need to be. The teacher sent the DS out. The DS was walking out. ? Why exactly did humiliation need to be added to the punishment? Other than that this immature and unprofessional teacher thought it might be fun.

But the teacher hasn’t run to his mum to complain about anything. So he hasn’t been a snowflake.

I thought we were talking about a child being humiliated. Do you march your kids back to the shop to apologise if they take something without paying for it, or do you just sneak it back and hope the assistant doesn't see you?

You're the one who appeared to be suggesting teacher was at the end of his tether after 20 lessons.

Ill take that back then ☺️ rest of post stands.

Aren't you t he lucky one.

You’re getting confused. I was responding to your suggestion that the teacher was ‘being a snowflake’.

It wasn't a bit of sarcasm, more like the teacher thought the clapping was a jolly jape. I'm not sure that talking quietly to a mate in a bench ball (whatever that is) class is exactly disruptive or disrespectful, though annoying it might be. The teacher is male BTW, which you would know if you'd read OP's posts. You would also be aware that this teachers behaviour generally is juvenile unprofessional.

You're getting me confused with another poster there im afraid.

You must be able to see how that's not a good analogy?

Why would a 13 year old boy probably be taller than a 24 year old teacher? And how is talking quietly to a friend in what is supposedly a fun PE lesson poor defiant behaviour. Have you never been to an adult education class? Adults actually talk in these types classes, they're not poor and defiant either.

You're just making stuff up now!

The PE teacher is an adult male, so I very much doubt that a 13 year old boy would be taller than him. Boys still have a lot of growing up to do at that age.