Teacher conduct - clapping at DS

[NotUsually]

DS 13 got sent out of class today for talking to another student (friend) and not paying attention when he should have been.
He got a warning first.
He talked again to the same student a second time about 10 minutes later.
For this, he got sent out of the room to go in to isolation for the rest of the school day, followed by an hour after school detention.

As he got his stuff together and walked out of the room, the teacher started clapping at him. He said to DS "Well done you just got yourself an isolation and a detention" then clapped with his hands raised up above his head and carried on clapping at DS as he walked through the room and out of the door. Whilst the teacher was clapping, the other students joined in and started clapping too, and the teacher allowed this and carried on himself.

I've had dialogue with the school to confirm that DS was talking and to check whether he was doing anything more than this, and the teacher has confirmed that he was punished for talking when he should have been listening to the teacher, on 2 separate occasions in the lesson. Nothing more.

I accept that talking when he shouldn't have been talking and that this has received a punishment of being sent out, sent to isolation and given a 1 hour detention. But I've got a really big issue with the clapping. DS accepts he shouldn't have been talking and has aplogised about this and seems regretful for his actions. But he says the clapping from the teacher and other students whilst he walked through them all to leave the room made him feel humiliated and I've taken issue with this.

AIBU?

I’ve done that before when something similar happened. Mainly to check on the (very nice ) kid.

I think you should take him out of school so others can learn.

😂😂😂

Why is a bit of sarcasm and slightly jokey behaviour from a teacher at the end of her tether from low level disruption caused by kids like your son towards your son is so unacceptable? He's is 13 and he's disruptive and disrespectful towards her. You are being very precious and your own behaviour is silly. I dare not think what you let him get away with at home.
Don't embarass yourself. Take him out and home educate so others can concentrate on their bench ball.

3 years above the age of criminal responsibility, the age where he would have had a Saturday job 25 years ago, the age kids used to babysit. Probably taller than the teacher too.
Why infantilise and excuse poor, defiant behavior at this age. Look at what he doesn online too with an indulgent, mysoginistc mum like that.

Unfortunately it's also the case that there are so many shit and unprofessional teachers out there because they have to take almost anyone due to the behaviour of people like this mum and her kid because so few want to teach nowadays due to classroom behaviour. Neither sees what he did wrong and go around interviwing classmates about this perceived slight and who generate a mumsnet post because her brat got very rightly told off and she didn't like it.

Deranged!

You know people can see the edited post right?

At first i was actually genuinely enjoying reading your posts but that was a disgusting thing to say.

Living up to the expectation set out by their username 🤣

I guess "Ineedtotouchsomegrass" was taken

You think ther is nothing wrong with someone puruing and perscuring the teacher for "conduct" because of telling a disruptive kid off? I guess it's the smaller of their problems and I "bekind".

they deserve to be humiliated
Fuck me.

But no one is doing that though.

Honestly go and get a glass of water and a lie down.

There is probably more to it, that's what. Nobody has the time to watch the kid in isolation for trivial stuff as a one off.

What behaviour exactly?
Neither sees what he did wrong

Genuine question: do you have issues with reading comprehension?
If your answer is no, what do you make of the OP's statement 'I accept that talking when he shouldn't have been talking and that this has received a punishment of being sent out, sent to isolation and given a 1 hour detention.', and the further comments she's made along these lines?

Quite, the teacher sounds immature and impetuous. And considering the teacher's general behaviour, OP should definitely report this. She is unlikely to be the first or the last. Given his other behaviour, it doesn't sound like a teacher at the end of his tether, more like he thought it would be a fun thing to do.

When OP reports, it's up to management to decide on the action to take; whether it's a talking to or a verbal warning. The teacher needs to grow up.

This thread is a great exaple why so many teachers leave and so few quality graduates go into teaching. Behavior of the parents, behaviour of the kids. . Do not wonder then why your kids end up being taught by useless unprofessional teachers. This woman's first reaction wasn't to deal with her kid but to deal with teacher "conduct" in enforcing discipline and her expectations for her classroom.
You've no, zero, zilch idea what kids like yours get up to at school and you clearly don't want to know.

So perfectly put 👏 and I couldn’t agree more.

Have you? If they sanctioned all of this, don't be naive, there is probably way more to this. And while accepting all of this this parent does want revenge, hense seeking retaliation for "conduct". That's what bullies do do.
Now go get yourself a comprehension and inference workbook. Start with year 1.

I would 100% be raising the clapping aspect with the school, while making it clear that you don’t disagree with the original punishment. Our school’s behaviour policy specifically has a section on “discipline with dignity” which I believe is pretty standard so I’d be referencing that and asking them to explain how they met that principle.

It's like dumb and dumber on mm today.
Next time your kid gets a crap teacher, you know why.

Is it possible to die from secondhand embarrassment does anyone know?

It may well have been the teacher’s fifth or six lesson that day. His 20-somethingth lesson of the week, and he deals with people who can’t be quiet at the right moment, all day and every day.

It’s possible he was fed up in that moment. So he clapped. Big deal. He didn’t name call or use belittling language or lunge at the kid with a Bunsen burner.

In every lesson, there are moments when it’s fine for students to talk. Often, it’s encouraged. Just as there are moments in every lesson when the teacher needs to be talking and the students need to be listening.

If the teacher didn’t bother trying to teach, but instead completely gave up trying to keep order and allowed them to do as they please (there are plenty out there like this), would you be still be moaning, @NotUsually?

It may well have been the teacher’s fifth or six lesson that day. His 20-somethingth lesson of the week, and he deals with people who can’t be quiet at the right moment, all day and every day.

If there is zero tolerance for children stepping out of line, there needs to be zero tolerance for teachers stepping out of line too. Lead by example, no excuses etc.

Have I what?

How is wanting to discuss an episode of unprofessional teacher behaviour revenge?
Have you read the OP's update that another student's mum has said the teacher was using gestures to encourage the others to keep going with clapping?
Do you find that acceptable?
You didn't answer my question about what you make of the OP's statement 'I accept that talking when he shouldn't have been talking' in reference to your own statement that 'Neither sees what he did wrong', which is a pity; I'd like to hear the explanation for that.

If this were me complaining to my parents about a clapping teacher, they’d have said ‘well you absolutely deserved a sarcastic handclap. You got sent out of the lesson and punished as a result. Well done! All this could have been avoided.’

So much has changed since the days when parents supported teachers and didn’t try constantly to get them into trouble.