Teacher conduct - clapping at DS

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DS 13 got sent out of class today for talking to another student (friend) and not paying attention when he should have been.
He got a warning first.
He talked again to the same student a second time about 10 minutes later.
For this, he got sent out of the room to go in to isolation for the rest of the school day, followed by an hour after school detention.

As he got his stuff together and walked out of the room, the teacher started clapping at him. He said to DS "Well done you just got yourself an isolation and a detention" then clapped with his hands raised up above his head and carried on clapping at DS as he walked through the room and out of the door. Whilst the teacher was clapping, the other students joined in and started clapping too, and the teacher allowed this and carried on himself.

I've had dialogue with the school to confirm that DS was talking and to check whether he was doing anything more than this, and the teacher has confirmed that he was punished for talking when he should have been listening to the teacher, on 2 separate occasions in the lesson. Nothing more.

I accept that talking when he shouldn't have been talking and that this has received a punishment of being sent out, sent to isolation and given a 1 hour detention. But I've got a really big issue with the clapping. DS accepts he shouldn't have been talking and has aplogised about this and seems regretful for his actions. But he says the clapping from the teacher and other students whilst he walked through them all to leave the room made him feel humiliated and I've taken issue with this.

AIBU?

Behaviour is out of control in many secondary schools, so many are having to try new approaches to deal with it.

Your DS needs to follow the school rules. If being humiliated encourages him to do that, good, frankly.

Teacher sounds utterly deranged. Glad youre raising this with school, maybe the teacher is struggling with the job, or personally/mentally, causing them to make very questionable decisions.

How convenient that one of the pupils told his Mum the teacher was being a bully, and his Mum rushed to tell you 🤔

Evidently I did miss it if I asked again, eh? Anyone would think you’re trying to humiliate me. Clap me off the thread next? Or is it different when you engage adults and you speaking like an arse is acceptable?

If you read my message before getting excited in your reply, my first sentence said it wasn’t the right way to handle it. However that’s how it was handled.

If her son is entirely accepting he did wrong and won’t do it again, I would let this first time slide, as it won’t be an issue. However he’s got years left at school, is going to battle over this which is evidently won’t happen again as he learnt his lesson worth it? I don’t think so.

Or, OP did what ive done in the past and asked a couple of parents I know "can you ask your kid what happened with my DS in class the other day if mine was a dick please before I speak to school about it and possibly make myself look a tit"

Perhaps. Op said “his Mum texted me about it” which sounds rather different, though.

How about you get your son to apologise for disrupting the lesson that the teacher has taken yime and effort in preparing. Stop supporting his disrupting behaviour.

The schools I've worked in you'd get two warnings with the second one being that if you continue to talk, you will be given a Consequence Point. I have worked in a school where you give a look, a warning then a consequence point on the second warning. Then if a student continues to talk, they would be given a detention. Isolation was only ever for serious infractions. Some schools use Isolation instead of detentions and others isolate within the class.

This teacher doesn't seem to have followed the usual framework and also decided to humiliate your son. It's inappropriate behaviour to me as well as feeling that they didn't follow School Policy for poor behaviour.

Not really. Mum texting op would follow after asking.

Or DS pal goes home, tells his mum - my younger DS tells me all the tea about stuff like this 🤣 - mum then messages op with what her kid saw. Ive done this too when it sounds like one of DS pals has been treated a bit shit by a teacher.

I guess I believe it happened the way op has said because that has happened with me/other mums, so i am biased (not the right word but cant think of what the right one!)

Op isnt supporting her DS behaviour.

Humiliation is not in the school's discipline policy though, so the punishment was incorrect by their own lights.
That aside, it was also incorrect in that isolation should only be a punishment for persistent behaviour and the detention time limitation wasn't observed.
Why should anyone 'suck up' a school not following its own policy?

A lot of schools are having to move to zero tolerance policies now though, as behaviour is so bad and many parents like the OP are not supportive.

Nothing op has said indicates shes not supportive of the punishment.

Why are people continuing to make things up or not read properly?

Another one who can’t read. The OP supported the isolation and detention administered by the school, and told her son off. Not enough?

Why do you think extra unprofessional humiliation and clapping was needed? Should that be incorporated into school policies?

The OP was supportive of the punishment in a way I certainly wouldn't have been!

And whatever the school behaviour policy is, I doubt it includes bullying and humiliating a student. It does happen but then it's the teacher who needs to demonstrate what being an adult means and apologise to the student for their unnecessary, cruel behaviour.

Sorry, is a student is disrupting the education of the rest of the class after being told to stop, they deserve to be humiliated.

The humiliation was part of the punishment. Heavy discipline I agree but these days teachers struggle to maintain discipline. If you have ever tried to teach a class full of chatting students you will understand.

If a teacher resorts to humiliation to manage behaviour then they are lazy, ineffectual, clearly not very engaging if the entire class is chatting, and obviously extremely poor at their job and should probably reconsider their career.

zero tolerance to bullying works both ways. Many have witnessed a bullying teacher - it’s often to the generally well-behaved or quiet kids and for some reason, it disproportionately tends to be PE teachers that cross the line (sorry to all the lovely PE teachers out there).

Maybe because it is the truth, @KilkennyCats!

Well, no. That would be emotional ABUSE and a Safeguarding Issue. No one "deserves" to be humiliated, not even my Ex.

I wouldn’t say talking in class when he’d already just been told off for not was exactly “going under the radar un-noticed”?

Why are so many PPs ignoring the fact that the OP was supportive of her DS being sanctioned and agrees that talking in class was unacceptable behaviour? She has made this clear to him as well. Why keep making things up?

I agree that the clapping was completely wrong; IMO it's a case of a teacher behaving like a playground bully. It's completely unnecessary.

I taught in a tough school for almost 20 years without humiliating anyone

Where exactly did you do your teacher training?