Teacher conduct - clapping at DS

[NotUsually]

DS 13 got sent out of class today for talking to another student (friend) and not paying attention when he should have been.
He got a warning first.
He talked again to the same student a second time about 10 minutes later.
For this, he got sent out of the room to go in to isolation for the rest of the school day, followed by an hour after school detention.

As he got his stuff together and walked out of the room, the teacher started clapping at him. He said to DS "Well done you just got yourself an isolation and a detention" then clapped with his hands raised up above his head and carried on clapping at DS as he walked through the room and out of the door. Whilst the teacher was clapping, the other students joined in and started clapping too, and the teacher allowed this and carried on himself.

I've had dialogue with the school to confirm that DS was talking and to check whether he was doing anything more than this, and the teacher has confirmed that he was punished for talking when he should have been listening to the teacher, on 2 separate occasions in the lesson. Nothing more.

I accept that talking when he shouldn't have been talking and that this has received a punishment of being sent out, sent to isolation and given a 1 hour detention. But I've got a really big issue with the clapping. DS accepts he shouldn't have been talking and has aplogised about this and seems regretful for his actions. But he says the clapping from the teacher and other students whilst he walked through them all to leave the room made him feel humiliated and I've taken issue with this.

AIBU?

Quite immature and unprofessional from the teacher. Some of them imagine they have a gift for comedy. This kind of behaviour encourages bullying , gives it a green light imo.

I don't think this is true at all. It's almost always the well behaved kids that get in loads of trouble the first time they put a foot wrong. Disruptive kids seem to be allowed to do whatever they want with zero consequences.
OP your son was wrong and I'm not sure what he was thinking to carry on talking when the teacher was after recieving a warning. However that doesn't mean this teacher can just decide to humiliate him, that's just cruel.
When you say you've spoken to the school, did you speak to the teacher involved?
If not that's what you should do. Passing message between other staff rarely works

No - but it is commonplace for teachers to expect the class to be quiet while they are giving instructions (in this case) or teaching content. Very different to when the students are doing pair work, playing a game or getting on with independent learning.
Not sure if you are being wilfully obtuse or just have no understanding at all about teaching.

Good God!!Talk about scraping the barrell!
Totally inappropriate behaviour. Can't imagine what the rest of the staff think about him. Oh yes ,I can!!
He won't last long!

@Gymrabbit My DDs enjoyed interactive lessons. Not being talked at! I had that at school and it’s boring. Teachers need to vary how they teach. The best do.

NotUsually · Yesterday 23:02
"To answer you about what is this teacher like.
He's 24 years old, which he likes to tell his class regularly.
When I met him at parents' evening, he said "innit" a lot at the end of his sentences whilst talking to me.
Whilst I was speaking to him at the above evening, he sat in his chair leaning back, slumped halfway down the chair, bum on the tip of his seat, one foot resting on his opposite knee with legs wide open, with one hand behind his head, and the other hand holding a biro that he was chewing on throughout our conversation.
He talks a lot to the children about how he spent 4 years working at McDonald's and tells them that he preferred that job to teaching.
He does things like hides behind doors in the school corridor with his hands clasped together to mimic the shape of a gun and then pretends to fire bullets at students as they walk along to their lessons, including at a student with known severe autism who really struggles at school and who had a major meltdown in response to this.
Adding to the list today's conduct of pupil humiliation, all in all, I'd say he's a great teacher."

The teacher sounds unhinged.

Teacher is a bully. If you see him again at a parents evening. I’d say ‘I appreciate Jack was talking in that lesson a while ago and needed a detention, but I was concerned that you clapped him out in front of everyone. Some might say it was condescending or patronising but either way it’s inappropriate. I called the school and made a thing of it at the time, but just wanted to flag it here.’

I’d take the arrogant little shit down.

Tell him Macdonalds is still there. Lots of inappropriate behaviour. I’d definitely escalate this.

Your child is interrupting others learning and you are moaning about how they are treated, utter madness!

I don't know what kind of school you work in but that definitely not the case in mine. No teacher would be able to put a child in isolation at the drop of a hat here either, that seems very odd.

OP are you sure there's not more to this than you are aware of? Either way, the teacher shouldn't have done that, it's hardly the way to build relationships with children.

She has.

I am a teacher. The clapping and humiliation is very unprofessional and I would complain about it. It’s not acceptable even if it was a child who repeatedly disrupts lessons (which is sounds like your child is not). Teachers should never humiliate pupils. However, I have seen teachers do this, and often to usually well-behaved pupils who they know will not answer back.

So you don’t believe schools should have Behaviour and Sanctions policies and abide by them then?

Yes, of course. You could also argue that the kids know the rules and are obviously not biding by them if they have to be enforced. This is why this generation is full of snow flakes, they cry at a bit of sarcasm. They really should harden up to it because the world can be humiliating and it can be tough, we need to teach kids 1. Do as they are being asked in school and 2. Learn the resilience to deal with a situation they find humiliating instead of crying to mummy about it

Or we maybe don’t want our kids to be snowflakes and be able to deal with a bit of sarcasm otherwise they have a tough life if they can’t deal with that

It's nowonder we are seeing an exceptionally fragile generation emerge.

Where in my posts have I said that my DS came "crying" to me about this?
Where have you extracted that piece of information from?
Can you find a post from me that states this, as well as a post that states how I came to discover that the teacher clapped? I'll drum my fingers and wait whilst you do.

🤦‍♀️ you’ve taken the word crying far to literal. Where in my comment did I say OPs son was crying? If you read it correctly it’s not saying your son is actually crying more that we have a generation of kids that ‘cry’ over the smallest of things.

I read your reply with interest, as you're a teacher and are stating that you have seen teachers behave like this. Your last sentence is very interesting to me because DS is usually (outside of this event) very well behaved and would never answer a teacher back in this, or any other, scenario at school.
Another member of staff who knows DS well and whom I spoke to this week said to me "It would be nice to hopefully see DS come out of his shell a little during the school year ahead because he is seen as being timid and shy since starting at this school".
Her words, not mine.

So if he didn't come "crying" to you how did you actually find out?

You're really shining a spotlight on your lack of intelligence now.
Thank you.

He probably told her, or something.

Detentions etc is the sort of thing kids tell parents about IME. Unless they are scared of the parents reaction maybe.

ETA - just remembered we've actually got an app that let's you know when your kid has got a detention/isolation

My kid's school will message to tell you about exclusion room/detention so perhaps OP found out via the school app (which is how I would find out).

Sarcasm is not the same as humiliation and bullying.

I had a teacher call me a "drip" in front of the whole class when I was 9 for being late to my first music class (just moved up to year 5 middle school which meant a whole new building to navigate and it was a massive Victorian building so I'd gotten lost). I'm sure your 13 year old can survive a couple of claps

I wouldn’t be happy about the clapping. It’s not the teacher’s job to humiliate the students. I’d be furious with my child for being sent out & there would be consequences at home but I expect the teachers to set a good example. Not to behave like a chimp!