Teacher conduct - clapping at DS

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DS 13 got sent out of class today for talking to another student (friend) and not paying attention when he should have been.
He got a warning first.
He talked again to the same student a second time about 10 minutes later.
For this, he got sent out of the room to go in to isolation for the rest of the school day, followed by an hour after school detention.

As he got his stuff together and walked out of the room, the teacher started clapping at him. He said to DS "Well done you just got yourself an isolation and a detention" then clapped with his hands raised up above his head and carried on clapping at DS as he walked through the room and out of the door. Whilst the teacher was clapping, the other students joined in and started clapping too, and the teacher allowed this and carried on himself.

I've had dialogue with the school to confirm that DS was talking and to check whether he was doing anything more than this, and the teacher has confirmed that he was punished for talking when he should have been listening to the teacher, on 2 separate occasions in the lesson. Nothing more.

I accept that talking when he shouldn't have been talking and that this has received a punishment of being sent out, sent to isolation and given a 1 hour detention. But I've got a really big issue with the clapping. DS accepts he shouldn't have been talking and has aplogised about this and seems regretful for his actions. But he says the clapping from the teacher and other students whilst he walked through them all to leave the room made him feel humiliated and I've taken issue with this.

AIBU?

What part of the PE ball game were students prevented from learning? And if parts were missed, to what degree do you think this will affect their prospects for being contributing members of the community and taxpayers?

( Assuming OP’s DS isn’t at an elite school for Olympic athletes )

Yeah! You baby should NEVER be told they're not perfect!!. Get that teacher fired!!.
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That seems to be the approach .. despite many commenters clearly demonstrating that it does do harm.

You recommend fear as a teaching method ?

Yes.

Mr Gove? Is that you?

He felt humiliated once in a gym class by the actions of a teacher,🤷‍♀️…… other kids who are more resilient wouldn’t have taken any notice of it and probably wouldn’t have even mentioned it at home

I think it’s sad that a teacher is affected past 10 pm by behaviour of students. I’ve been there, dreading the next day. I made an exit plan and I wouldn’t go back now. I spent over a quarter of a century dealing with challenging students and I’ve done my time.

Anyone who thinks they can do a better job than teachers because they’re a parent - Google Get Into Teaching. There’s a shortage.

No, it's not.

Kerching!
More resilient! You forgot to say snowflake. Or are you saving that up, for special

DD is a shy, quiet and polite child. I don’t say that, her school reports and her teachers say that. She still talks sometimes in lessons and even got a warning for it once. It happens.

I have never met a child (even those with selective mutism) that have never , ever talked in a lesson when they weren’t supposed to.

That's okay, he's 13. May be they should have called for you to collect him to stop disrupting learning for 29 other children.

Now you are minimising his behaviour

The teacher could have been giving them important safety information if it was PE for example

He still did wrong

Then why are you attempting to justify humiliation & fear as appropriate teaching methods?
Fear and humiliation Instill resentment, stifle learning, they don’t create a culture of learning.

On balance, no

And yet many responses on here saying the teacher was unprofessional are members that are teachers (or former teachers).

Whereas chatting and disruption and not listening to instructions and robbing 29 kids of their learning is good for everyone.

3 things:

My parents would have been ashamed of my behaviour if I misbehaved in class.

Respecting adults and others should be a given.

People forget that getting good free education is a privilege many children don’t have access to in many countries.

Sounds like this will help him learn his lesson, if he was embarrassed by the clapping he will hopefully remember that feeling bedtime when he doesn’t want to pay attention.

People criticising bullying by an adult are not saying 'they would be better teachers' - come on now! That's a nonsense false equivalence.

If someone does something inappropriate in work, that has a negative impact on others - it should be fine to challenge that. It might be a pattern of behaviour (someone in need of additional training/ support) it may be a one-off bad day (reflect, apologise if needed, move on) or it may be a sign someone is really struggling with excess work load, stress, other non-work issues (they need support).

There being a shortage of teachers should not mean as a society we accept cruelty to children. But nor does it mean parents are insisting they 'could do it better". I think most people have overreacted and list their temper a few times, even with the best behaved kids in the world, by the time they hit their teens

Parents should advocate for their children. Teachers have a tough job. Some teachers are not as good as they should be. These can all be true at the same time.

Three unrelated tangential points, but three nonetheless. You can count

Which type are you?.. the type who doesn't care what the subject is, but wants to rail against the machine, the one who realises the OP is a drama llama who sees wrong doing in everyone else,... or the annoying troll?

The DS could have been telling his mate important safety information too like mate your shoe lace is untied or don’t try and catch a ball with your face. Too bad teacher did not even bother to ask what the DS was sayin’

(If we are just going to wildly speculate and make up scenarios then I am happy to play along.)