Teacher conduct - clapping at DS

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DS 13 got sent out of class today for talking to another student (friend) and not paying attention when he should have been.
He got a warning first.
He talked again to the same student a second time about 10 minutes later.
For this, he got sent out of the room to go in to isolation for the rest of the school day, followed by an hour after school detention.

As he got his stuff together and walked out of the room, the teacher started clapping at him. He said to DS "Well done you just got yourself an isolation and a detention" then clapped with his hands raised up above his head and carried on clapping at DS as he walked through the room and out of the door. Whilst the teacher was clapping, the other students joined in and started clapping too, and the teacher allowed this and carried on himself.

I've had dialogue with the school to confirm that DS was talking and to check whether he was doing anything more than this, and the teacher has confirmed that he was punished for talking when he should have been listening to the teacher, on 2 separate occasions in the lesson. Nothing more.

I accept that talking when he shouldn't have been talking and that this has received a punishment of being sent out, sent to isolation and given a 1 hour detention. But I've got a really big issue with the clapping. DS accepts he shouldn't have been talking and has aplogised about this and seems regretful for his actions. But he says the clapping from the teacher and other students whilst he walked through them all to leave the room made him feel humiliated and I've taken issue with this.

AIBU?

Thank you Titchy. So much of what goes on a classroom is called low level disruption which is exactly what it says on the tin. Little incidences that are, in and of themselves, not noteworthy. However, as these things occur more and more they build up, especially if one or two students are at the centre of it. I had one such student - who was the child of the Head!!

Was it a supply teacher? PE teachers tend to be strict because they need to keep students safe. The same in classes where students are working with dangerous chemicals or tools.

Yes, it is quite a leap of logic to go from assuming most MN posters are managers and therefore a high % are bullies and that these bullying, manager posters would certainly be the same posters who are concerned about the teacher’s conduct, rather than the posters who are concerned having been victims of bullying. Usually it’s bullies that defend bullies, and victims who defend victims, in my experience.

They hypothetically may be a disgruntled employee that has engaged in misconduct that may have been similar to that of the teacher and their manager reprimanding them on it is now being cast by them as ‘workplace bullying.’ Of course, I recognise I am merely speculating. I wouldn’t dare presume.

So your argument op that he's a poor infallible victim is that he's not been told off before?

Your son needs to toughen up, he was humiliated a little bit in gym class after being disruptive ……get over it,…. it’s a tough world out there and he is beginning to get a little experience of that

I only have sympathy for the pupils who are prevented from learning because of disruptive behaviour, hopefully the OP will be telling her son to behave himself and hence avoid any more punishment.

No point in getting bogged down or arguing the details. The posters that think the teacher can’t possibly have been in the wrong because he’s a teacher and your kid talked , won’t be swayed. Then the thread will be derailed with snowflakes and crap parenting and that you’re making excuses.

Find out what happened with the clapping first, then depending on that info, decide how and if to deal with it.

No student is going to get through secondary school without encountering a strict teacher. That’s life.

Minority of posters are just using this thread to trot out tropes about
snowflake pupils
litigatious parents

in the real world pupils they’d know what’s what
Back in day teachers gave em pupils a shouting, a slap, threw stuff…and God bless the queen mutha they were respected

One’s a child , one’s a supposedly professional adult. There’s a difference.

God op step away from this mad thread. Teachers are sacred on MN, one could crap in your handbag and it would somehow be your fault or there be "more to it".

Strict if boundaried & appropriate is fine
Sarcastic clapping, is not fine

Strict is not the same as a bully. Boundaries and reasonable consequences is fine. Excessive/ inappropriate punishments are not. People like this should not really be teachers. And yes, everyone has a bad day sometimes - but that's something where you should reflect on whether your response was proportionate or not.

Exactly, just like no employee is going to get through life without experiencing a tough boss…..it’s preparation for life

Your DS needs to learn to keep his mouth shut. He had warnings and chose to ignore the teacher. The class were probably fed up of him being disruptive.

Ahh the school of hard knocks speech with a side order of humiliation and toughness, in workplace….character building I tell you

Nrtft

OP the isolation and detention seem excessive to me but will likely do the job, the added humiliation is just cruel and unnecessary. You need to have words with the school head about that. It’s bullying.

I was deliberately humiliated by a teacher in the first few weeks of my first year of high school. She did it as a class control technique but it had repercussions on my entire school life and I was bullied the entire time I was there because of her humiliation ritual.

did I deserve to be told off for not doing my
work to her exacting standard? Probably. Did I deserve to be punished for that? Maybe but did I need to have my entire school career ruined so she could maintain future control of the class?absolutely not. I didn’t realise that was what she had done until a friend was training at that school and the same teacher told her to try this technique to control her class.

the repercussions of that event have stayed with me all my life. I struggle to make friends and trust people. I expect everyone to be laughing at me and trying to humiliate me all the time. Im scared of bullies still in adulthood to the point I don’t get into situations where that could happen.

in my first few weeks of high school before this event I was an outgoing, happy and popular girl but that all changed in one single period.

Read the full thread...

Therefore the OP needs to inform the school and the teacher can experience and learn from his boss being tough on him.

I’m currently in a foul mood due to foul behaviour in my school today, I’m reading that and thinking your son clearly thought his option was more relevant than the teachers and clearly wanted to entertain an audience so he got all the attention room he was looking for.

My normal self would say that teachers ought not to be joining the kids at their petty level.

In my school it has been an extremely difficult few weeks and in the 1st teacher right now, not the /nd

I’ve never clapped at a student, but I’ve seen strict teachers in action and teachers who’ve totally lost it with disruptive students. I find it difficult to believe that a whole PE class was entirely silent apart from one well-behaved boy.

Yeah he's a poor lamb..how dare a lowly council employee have the audacity to challenge her betters?

Or just pile on, cliché corner is that way➡️ join the humiliation never did no one no harm rabble

Oh, so you're that type of person. Bullies do like to defend bullies. But so do people who have not read the thread (or at least all the updates from OP) when they realize they may have made a silly comment. Which type are you? Or are you both? Or are you the third type - the annoying troll?

Humiliating yes but I had much worse off teachers and never did it again. Too scared to.