Teacher conduct - clapping at DS

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DS 13 got sent out of class today for talking to another student (friend) and not paying attention when he should have been.
He got a warning first.
He talked again to the same student a second time about 10 minutes later.
For this, he got sent out of the room to go in to isolation for the rest of the school day, followed by an hour after school detention.

As he got his stuff together and walked out of the room, the teacher started clapping at him. He said to DS "Well done you just got yourself an isolation and a detention" then clapped with his hands raised up above his head and carried on clapping at DS as he walked through the room and out of the door. Whilst the teacher was clapping, the other students joined in and started clapping too, and the teacher allowed this and carried on himself.

I've had dialogue with the school to confirm that DS was talking and to check whether he was doing anything more than this, and the teacher has confirmed that he was punished for talking when he should have been listening to the teacher, on 2 separate occasions in the lesson. Nothing more.

I accept that talking when he shouldn't have been talking and that this has received a punishment of being sent out, sent to isolation and given a 1 hour detention. But I've got a really big issue with the clapping. DS accepts he shouldn't have been talking and has aplogised about this and seems regretful for his actions. But he says the clapping from the teacher and other students whilst he walked through them all to leave the room made him feel humiliated and I've taken issue with this.

AIBU?

I suspect that because of the self-awareness you’re showing here that you probably wouldn’t have done something as humiliating as the clapping. I can totally imagine your frustration, it must be maddening!

that teacher is going to flop very soon.

I’m a senior teacher and I think this is poor on the part of the teacher. How can the teacher educate young people not to humiliate and make fun of others if they do it themselves? I would never behave like this towards a student, not even the incredibly poorly behaved ones.

I’m 55 and still remember a teacher humiliating me at around age 12. It made me feel there was something intrinsically wrong and shameful about me that I’d deserve a teacher leading my fellow students in doing something like that.

Data and statistics from your assumptions. The irony.

Wholeheartedly agree, it should be addressed and reflected upon, teacher to becomd more adept at managing the impact of disruption

with your own child presumably, for disrupting the learning of others by making a choice to carry on behaviour he'd alreaddy been told to stop.

As a teacher I wouldn't have done this, but focus on the main things- your child disrupted the class.

I’ve seen this again and again. It never ends well. State schools use internal exclusion to avoid fixed-term exclusions. As a parent, I’d leave this alone unless there’s a repeated pattern of humiliation by this teacher or by the school.

He wasn't humiliated, he was deeply embarrassed, because he was being a knob. Big difference.

I don’t think from age 10 onwards I ever had a teacher who didn’t properly lose their shit at least once or twice every couple of years (and by that I mean proper screaming and yelling, not a bit of sarcastic clapping) at poor/disruptive behaviour - and I was fortunate enough to have at least a dozen wonderful teachers. These are humans doing a sometimes emotionally draining and stressful job in an occasionally volatile/chaotic environment (no matter how good their classroom management) with cohorts of hormonal/ often idiotic and irrational adolescents … in moderation it, if anything, actually shows they care and still have a passion for the job - something that’s becoming rarer by the year thanks to all the bullshit lesson bureaucracy and shit stirring parents.

I'm also in my 50s and remember being humiliated in secondary school. It has stayed with me to this day.

The teacher in question was incapable of controlling both his temper and emotions which combined with a huge ego meant he was dangerous. He ended up being 'transferred' to another school and then moving abroad.

Try harder. That’s basic

What were you doing against school rules? Although please remember as the pupil, whatever you did, you're an abused victim, who should be encouraged to SUUEE!

I have to dispute the "disrupting the class repeatedly".
I mean, it was a PE lesson.
They were in the gym hall.
They'd been running around playing a ball game then re-grouped whilst the teacher talked about what game they were going to play next.
Whilst teacher was talking, DS was stood right at the back of the hall with a friend. They were all stood around the hall in different areas. DS spoke to say something to his friend. The teacher was talking in a loud voice. DS was talking in a quiet voice. He said to his friend "I really like this game it's good fun, I hope I get a go in the position I did last time". He got a warning for not listening.
They played the next game then re-grouped for the teacher to talk to them again.
This time the kids stood staggered around the hall. DS was standing on his own with the same friend. No other kids were stood next to them, meaning no other kids could hear DS talking to his friend in a very quiet voice.
DS said to his friend "shall we go in the same team again" whilst the teacher was talking.
Teacher escalated things because DS was talking whilst the teacher was talking, and for a second time after having previously been told not to talk.
He should not have been talking whilst the teacher was talking.
But he was not disrupting the class repeatedly.
He spoke twice in a PE hall during games intervals whilst other students were stood around the hall.

No. Humiliated by his teacher who allowed the other students to join in.

So would I. It was totally over the top.

So in this dialogue did you question the clapping?

I’m 50 and was sometimes back-chatty in school. I respected strict teachers more than the ones who wanted to be friends with the kids. If I’d complained about humiliation my parents would have backed the teachers 100%.

Sounds good.

Try harder with your reading comprehension.

He disrupted more than once
That is repeatedly

An experienced teacher would have handled this better.

In order to get inexperienced teachers to handle this better, they need support and mentoring.
I can guarantee you Op, that I, and more experienced teachers would have diffused and dealt with this, without your dc getting sanctions. This is, ultimately, the fault of SLT. They are there to support teachers who are inexperienced. If they step up, and support, they can ensure that new teachers have the tools to react appropriately. I was lucky in that I, in my first secondary school had the right guidance and support from SLT. This is why I went on to form good relationships with my students, and I saw many students, over 300 a week. I have some sympathy with the teacher if they haven’t had support and training. Not a lot though, because an any teacher worth their salt would never, ever clap a student. Says more about them than the student.

ohh the good ole days crew are here, fondly recalling when teachers shouted, hurled objects and lost the plot. Yes and the pupils were grateful for it

Teachers are humans and teaching teenagers is no picnic! It wasn't great from the teacher but he must have been pushed to the limit to react like this. Teach your kid some manners, and to follow instructions in class, and he'll be fine!