Not Transphobia - Manphobia

[blueliner]

Spurred on from a conversation today with a friend, I’m really getting tired of people throwing the accusation of transphobia around when it is nothing of the sort.

I really don't understand why stating that I don’t want to share single sex spaces with biological men, no matter how they identify, is transphobic. I am not scared of trans people and welcome trans identifying women into female only spaces. I just don’t want to share any single sex space with the opposite sex, no matter what surgeries they may or may not have had. One in 4 women are sexually assaulted by men in their lifetime. Men, as a group, pose a threat to women, isn’t that just factual.

AIBU to think what people should really be shouting is manphobia and they wouldn’t be wrong. I am scared of being in certain situations, especially in states of undress with unknown males in the room. Isn’t that why we have single sex spaces in the first place.

YABU - It’s transphobia
YANBU - It’s manphobia

Yanbu

If you do vote YABU please do explain why.

How can I be transphobic if I am completely happy to welcome trans identifying women into female single sex spaces.

I voted YABU, because it’s neither imo.
It’s just common sense that single sex spaces exist to protect everyone (women from the risks of abuse by men, and men from the potential accusation of abuse).

@Swiftie1878

I don’t believe that women’s single sex spaces are there to protect men from accusation tbh.

How does that work in sports or refuges. It’s about women and their right to safety, dignity and privacy.

I voted YABU because this topic has been done to death and this take isn't even original.

I sometimes think people start these threads just because they know it will be full of people agreeing and they need a bit of Internet validation.

You have made the mistake of expecting logic from people who think that ‘a woman is someone who identifies as a woman’ is a meaningful definition.

Yes, they are, but their exclusion also protects men. Trans women entering those spaces lose that protection.

If it’s been done to death why are organisations still not understanding this view enough to even uphold the law?

Why don't you email them then?

A phobia is an irrational fear. Knowing men can be a threat to women is entirely rational so neither is true.

I don’t think it’s even man phobia. A phobia is an irrational fear of something, and there’s nothing irrational about it.

Because your unoriginal, goady post deserves it.

I not sure I can change their minds if the supreme court can’t but thank you for your advice.
I think that’s the whole point isn’t it. it’s is obviously not transphobia but many organisations think it is or they wouldn’t be digging their heels in despite the legal implications.

Why is it goady?

I’m not sure their intransigence would be shifted by renaming it manphobia. They’re both pretty unpleasant.

Very true Swiftie.

Definitely not an irrational fear as others have pointed out. I am wrong about that.

Simply respond that it can't be transphobia as there is no such thing as trans.

• You can no transition sex - biologically impossible
• You can not transition gender - you simply expand the scope of your gender...

The word is used to give validity to irrational and inaccurate claims - to imply that someone can change sex...

If you can't transition -> you can't be trans -> there can be no transphobia.

don’t get involved in the thread then

If you don't like my comment there was no need to get involved with it either 🤷🏽‍♀️

TeaForTheTillermanSteakForTheSun , cant see where I’ve assigned any emotion at all to your ‘comment’? & you’re still on this thread?!

A phobia is

An anxiety disorder marked by a persistent, overwhelming, and irrational fear of a specific object, situation, or feeling that is disproportionate to the actual danger posed.

So when asking if it's transphobia or manphobia, have you first asked whether the concerns of women asking difficult questions is

A) irrational
B) disproportionate to the actual danger posed

Then look at the data on the percentage of women who have been sexually assaulted/harassed and/or raped.

Then consider whether recording health data on the basis of gender rather than sex might completely ruin the integrity of data and whether this is a legitimate concern.

Then consider whether concerns about women's sport and ability to compete with males, regardless of their gender identity is 'phobic' or whether there are potential safety concerns and whether it stops women's involvement in sport.

I could carry on...

The problem at the heart of this is whether this is a phobia at all or a legitimate, rational and proportionate response to males regardless of how they identify.

And I would say there's nothing phobic at all. Whether it be labelled as trans or man. .

YABU because how can you KNOW that a big muscular bearded man is in fact a ‘trans identifying woman’ and that you are therefore safe.

And don’t say you can “just tell”.

YANBU

Well yes, I usually assume when someone quotes me they want me to respond, or what's the point in quoting me at all?

I was replying to your 'emotionless' comment out of politeness.