Page 6 | Not Transphobia - Manphobia

blueliner · 2025-09-17T13:43:50+00:00

Spurred on from a conversation today with a friend, I’m really getting tired of people throwing the accusation of transphobia around when it is nothing of the sort. I really don't understand why stating that I don’t want to share single sex spaces with biological men, no matter how they identify, is transphobic. I am not scared of trans people and welcome trans identifying women into female only spaces. I just don’t want to share any single sex space with the opposite sex, no matter what surgeries they may or may not have had. One in 4 women are sexually assaulted by men in their lifetime. Men, as a group, pose a threat to women, isn’t that just factual. AIBU to think what people should really be shouting is manphobia and they wouldn’t be wrong. I am scared of being in certain situations, especially in states of undress with unknown males in the room. Isn’t that why we have single sex spaces in the first place. YABU - It’s transphobia YANBU - It’s manphobia

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blueliner · 19/09/2025 16:41

sorry that should be 65,600,000 sexaul assaults will have happened in the Uk during an average woman’s lifetime.

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EuclidianGeometryFan · 19/09/2025 16:49

Coconutter24 · 19/09/2025 16:08

Ok I see, I thought a trans identifying woman was biologically a man. It gets confusing!!

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Not to single you out Coconutter, but this is why it is SO important to have these debates in AIBU, not segregated away on the FWR board.

If people don't even understand what the terminology means, how can we have informed debate?
We start with using clear language, then we can discuss principles, rights, and laws.

FrippEnos · 19/09/2025 21:50

Lavender14 · 18/09/2025 17:25

I think when you start to say that all trans people do this or even all trans women do this (because let's be honest that's usually who's referred to when we talk about harmful behaviours) then I do think that's a problem. Which is the point I was making. If any TRA acts in an abusive or violent way then they should absolutely be held to account as should anyone who acts in that way. But I think it's also problematic when people refer to trans people or even just trans women as a blanket group when there's diversity within that group. I do think it's transphobic to not be able to make the distinction between the harmful actions of some individuals and a whole group of people with one shared point of identity. That doesn't mean they need to be allowed into female only spaces, exclusion exists in those spaces for a reason, but it IS transphobic use of language to say things like "trans women are all sexual deviants/perverse/predatory/evil" or any of the other things I've seen written on this site.

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I have often spoken out about the issues of generalising.

And yes this is no different.
And at the risk of repeating someone else.
Transwomen in women's spaces/sport/centres is all about probability of risk.
The same as car insurance and men in women's spaces.

As all transwomen are men then they fall under the same risk category as men.
That's not to say that there are no good men or trans women.
But the good ones are not why we put laws in place.

Whatsallthisthen2025 · 19/09/2025 21:51

Except a phobia is an unreasonable fear of something. There is nothing remotely phobic about acknowledging the very real danger men as a sex are to women as a sex and planning accordingly. All decent men agree with this and are on board with it too, of course.

Whatsallthisthen2025 · 19/09/2025 21:54

EuclidianGeometryFan · 19/09/2025 16:49

Not to single you out Coconutter, but this is why it is SO important to have these debates in AIBU, not segregated away on the FWR board.

If people don't even understand what the terminology means, how can we have informed debate?
We start with using clear language, then we can discuss principles, rights, and laws.

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The terminology is deliberately unclear. The correct terms are men and women. You can also say cross dressing men and tranvsestite men, and men who wish they were women and women who wish they were men.

It's far better to just use those terms. Everyone understands them, and it is respectful of women who are completely and totally separate from men and acknowledges the reality that nobody "transitions" into anything.

IShouldNotCoco · 19/09/2025 21:56

YANBU. But I was brainwashed by the trans movement for a good long time until I listened to Magdalen Berns. Peaked at that point.

The high court ruling has certainly helped to put this nonsense back in its box.

Whatsallthisthen2025 · 19/09/2025 22:02

Whatsallthisthen2025 · 19/09/2025 21:51

Except a phobia is an unreasonable fear of something. There is nothing remotely phobic about acknowledging the very real danger men as a sex are to women as a sex and planning accordingly. All decent men agree with this and are on board with it too, of course.

Howere, I did vote YANBU, though I dislike the term phobia when applied to anything or anyone that it is reasonable to be wary of.

ThatBlackCat · 20/09/2025 04:31

Alicealig · 19/09/2025 14:08

The 1 in 4 women bring assaulted in not by any means evidence. I'm willing to say at best it's political hysteria that I'm sure you couldnt provide citations for. I'm sure at least 1in 4 woman may have had unwanted attention from a man. That's more realistic to say.

If men are such a high risk I don't understand why men aren't just sexual assaulting us all day every day at every given opportunity if they're so predatory. After all who's there to prevent this and afford any protection or do you think that it could be because the majority of men won't stand for this so the minority of men who would do this have a deterant not to do it.

It perplexes me how some people are so ungrateful for the mostly great men in our western society in general. I get the difficulties that come with terrifying sexual assault but we can't be pushing narratives that tell women that's the norm as it's still very rare indeed, statistically. We work best as a society when in cooperation with men not opposition. As women we're never going to take over leadership, that's quite literally impossible as we don't hold a monopoly of force.

Jesus look at Afghanistan for gods sake. The women there were thriving because for 20 years our men took over their country and they were allowed freedoms like they'd never seen before. Our men gone, and 3 days later an entire country and rights of women, GONE! Why we try to oppose and fight the men we share our lives with ill never understand. For me, we both benefit by working together, he's far better when I'm there in addition.

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It's far worse than that: https://www.openaccessgovernment.org/97-of-women-in-the-uk/105940/

Research finds that 97% of women in the UK have been sexually harassed

An investigation by UN Women UK found that 97% of women surveyed have been sexually harassed, with a further 96% not reporting those situations

https://www.openaccessgovernment.org/97-of-women-in-the-uk/105940/

WallaceinAnderland · 20/09/2025 13:32

There are good men. Of course there are. But there are also bad ones.

You know what they say about female only single sex spaces -

Good men stay out so that bad men stand out.

Alicealig · 21/09/2025 04:05

ThatBlackCat · 20/09/2025 04:31

It's far worse than that: https://www.openaccessgovernment.org/97-of-women-in-the-uk/105940/

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Yes, an "investigation" could tell anybody anything these days. However the credibility of these 'hack' investigations is that theyre more reliable for being known to chase ghosts and whispers than actual reliable information. As soon as it said that "BUT, 96% of these crimes are unreported" my eyes just rolled. These are ghosts of ghosts. Hearsay and rumours should never be the core of vital criminal stats.

ThatBlackCat · 21/09/2025 05:18

Alicealig · 21/09/2025 04:05

Yes, an "investigation" could tell anybody anything these days. However the credibility of these 'hack' investigations is that theyre more reliable for being known to chase ghosts and whispers than actual reliable information. As soon as it said that "BUT, 96% of these crimes are unreported" my eyes just rolled. These are ghosts of ghosts. Hearsay and rumours should never be the core of vital criminal stats.

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Just about every single woman has been groped by a male at some time. Of course we don't report it.

Lavender14 · 21/09/2025 13:05

Alicealig · 21/09/2025 04:05

Yes, an "investigation" could tell anybody anything these days. However the credibility of these 'hack' investigations is that theyre more reliable for being known to chase ghosts and whispers than actual reliable information. As soon as it said that "BUT, 96% of these crimes are unreported" my eyes just rolled. These are ghosts of ghosts. Hearsay and rumours should never be the core of vital criminal stats.

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Plus there's a difference between formally reporting to police and it being logged as a crime statistic and reporting to a support organisation. This research encompasses both to get a more accurate picture of what is actually happening.

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blueliner · 21/09/2025 16:03

blueliner · 19/09/2025 16:34

Firstly, it is not my figures they are well recognised and I have posted multiple credible links showing you the consensus is 1 in 4 women will be raped or sexually assaulted in their lifetime.

You stated these figures were wrong because you said it was 2 in 100.

You quoted numbers of sexual assaults per 100 people in a year whereas I had stated 1 in 4 women will be sexually assaulted or raped in their lifetime.

You seem to be thinking 2 in 100 is the chance or odds when in fact it is the number of actual women who were raped in one year. So the following year 2 MORE women will be sexually assaulted. So, now we have 4 in every 100 having been assaulted in year two. Year three there will be 2 more because 800,000 sexual assaults happen EVERY year.

Now I understand the female population is not exactly the same group of women every year but the vast majority will be.

So over the life expectancy of a woman there will have been 656,000,000 sexual assaults happened. Not 800,000.

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@Alicealig
I think you missed this explanation that you asked for?

Correction- So over the life expectancy of a woman there will have been 65,000,000 sexual assaults happened. Not 800,000.

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