Not Transphobia - Manphobia

[blueliner]

Spurred on from a conversation today with a friend, I’m really getting tired of people throwing the accusation of transphobia around when it is nothing of the sort.

I really don't understand why stating that I don’t want to share single sex spaces with biological men, no matter how they identify, is transphobic. I am not scared of trans people and welcome trans identifying women into female only spaces. I just don’t want to share any single sex space with the opposite sex, no matter what surgeries they may or may not have had. One in 4 women are sexually assaulted by men in their lifetime. Men, as a group, pose a threat to women, isn’t that just factual.

AIBU to think what people should really be shouting is manphobia and they wouldn’t be wrong. I am scared of being in certain situations, especially in states of undress with unknown males in the room. Isn’t that why we have single sex spaces in the first place.

YABU - It’s transphobia
YANBU - It’s manphobia

Chopping their dick off does not make them any less of a man

How can you be wary of an unknown man. Does that man wear a tag to idenitfy himself.

You have identified yourself as a man by your opinions.

Where does it say 2 in 100?

I'm sorry that's not how people identify themselves. Do you normally struggle interpreting cues from other people or are you in need of assistance with interactions most people find basic. If I trigger you or you feel it's too much having your opinions challenged I can stop posting to relieve your stress level? Maybe you could practice on a pad... Then no one would reply....

@Alicealig so where does it say 2 in 100 women are sexually assault or raped?

I think they are struggling to grasp the difference between statistics for women aged 16+ over the course of one year compared to the then projected trend using that data to apply to a person's whole lifetime broken down by gender of the population. Which will obviously increase the number hugely.

Nice internalised Misogyny there

Yes, I thought that too.

@Alicealig you have misread the stats.

What? Maybe there's something I'm missing but to state that I get on better with males rather than females and the reason I get on better with males is it happens to be my personal experience that the females I've known over the years have a habit of creating drama and making up nonsense.

Please, I would love to hear how in the world that is misogyny? Or does that just show the very point in question about the nonsense. I'm pretty sure it does just that!

If you believe I've misread them what is the corrected figure as I'm sure I accounted for those. In fact I think I was extremely generous with the maths and were I to do it again more accurately would actually show the number to be lower still.

Look at your last set of data from the ONS it gives a figure of 3.4 percent or close of the overall male and felale population then breaks it down by male and female victims of assault. It's not hard to find.

Because you just lumped all women in together and labelled them in a negative way

Where? No I didn't. I've never said anything about ALL women as I don't believe that. At worst I would likely make a generalisation but I'm sorry you are incorrect. I have to say my stereotype of how I may perceive women is lining up with what I've come to expect but that's another issue.

The Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) provides the best measure of victimisation and estimated that 2.3% of adults (3.3% women and 1.2% men) aged 16 years and over were victims of sexual assault (including attempts) in the year ending March 2022 survey; this equates to an estimated 1.1 million adults (798,000 women and 275,000 men)

This @stat?
The stat that shows figures for one year? Not over a lifetime?

I think you are struggling to understand the stats.

798000 women in one year!!!

multiply that up and you can see why it’s 1 in 4 over their lifetime.

@Alicealig

Around 800,000 women were sexually assaulted in England and Wales in 2022, according to the most recent data.

In ONE year!

No that's absolute nonsense, you can't see that at all.

So in one year you are correct with the number of victims.
UK population is 70 million

That equates to less than 2in100

Then you go on to say in a lifetime. What do you mean. That isn't going to change the statistic to more infact if anything, as a percentage or a total of women overall that's likely to go down.

Why can't you accept this. You seem hell bent on making women as fearful as you possibly can. Is there a motive to do this?

I am not scared of trans people and welcome trans identifying women into female only spaces. I just don’t want to share any single sex space with the opposite sex, no matter what surgeries they may or may not have had.

I’m confused, isn’t this a contradiction between the two sentences? Isn’t a trans identifying woman really a man?

Dear Lord!

So do people only live one year?

The stats are relatively stable.

2022 - 800000 women were sexually assaulted
2023 - 800000 women were sexually assaulted
2024 - 800000 women were sexually assaulted.
etc.

If you are going to take your percentage from the total population of women you have to multiple up for a lifetime. It’s not difficult.

1 in 4 women will be sexually assaulted in their lifetime. Not each year. I can’t believe you don’t understand it. It’s so simple.

YABNU

I self-identify as a fish.

Therefore you must validate my…

Sorry… what were we talking about again?

No I mean a woman who is trans identifying (as a man). Or a man who is trans identifying (as a woman)

I have learned the hard way that referring to biological man as trans women has made people believe that those men are no longer men and therefore do not pose the same risks as other men. When in fact they are men and pose exactly the same risks to women as other men. I no longer use the word woman for any body except biological women.

So please, if it's so simple for everyone, explain how on earth you worked that out that 1in 4 women will be sexually assaulted in their lifetime as with all the will in the world it's not adding up, so for any of the women who may be struggling with the maths please explain as all you seem to have done is blurted out random numbers that don't correlate and I think personally is fear mongering

Ok I see, I thought a trans identifying woman was biologically a man. It gets confusing!!

You are right in that male people with the philosophical belief that they are female (a belief that doesn’t reflect materially reality) are not a homogenous group. However, how do you believe we should label the behaviour where a male person accesses a female single sex space deliberately knowing that their presence in that space may cause the female people who have a valid need for that space to be only for female people?

That is a deliberate violation of female people’s boundaries. There are different motivations for this, but ultimately there is no legitimate motivation knowing it causes harm.

Is there a simple word or phrase that you would find acceptable to describe this behaviour?

Firstly, it is not my figures they are well recognised and I have posted multiple credible links showing you the consensus is 1 in 4 women will be raped or sexually assaulted in their lifetime.

You stated these figures were wrong because you said it was 2 in 100.

You quoted numbers of sexual assaults per 100 people in a year whereas I had stated 1 in 4 women will be sexually assaulted or raped in their lifetime.

You seem to be thinking 2 in 100 is the chance or odds when in fact it is the number of actual women who were raped in one year. So the following year 2 MORE women will be sexually assaulted. So, now we have 4 in every 100 having been assaulted in year two. Year three there will be 2 more because 800,000 sexual assaults happen EVERY year.

Now I understand the female population is not exactly the same group of women every year but the vast majority will be.

So over the life expectancy of a woman there will have been 656,000,000 sexual assaults happened. Not 800,000.