...to ask if I am I being a prude about these outfits?

[bellav]

My 11yo DD has taken a liking to K-Pop recently, but I am concerned about some of the outfits and dancing styles, especially as some of the singers are very young.

It feels to me like they are being exploited and sexualised at such a young age, but I am unsure how to go about discussing this with my daughter.

Am I just being a prude and showing my age here?!

Link to some of the worst offenders:

https://www.koreaboo.com/stories/15-extremely-revealing-stage-outfits-banned/

I don't know where you are getting that from and I'd appreciate you not derailing the thread with something irrelevant.

The thread is about K-Pop. About the sexualisation of young teen girls, both in their outfits and their moves. Also irrelevant is the fact that this may have been going on for a long time. I am concerned right now about my 11yo who is encountering this for the first time. Just because it's been around for decades doesn't make it okay.

As @MorrisZapp said above, what a depressing thread this has become, with so much sidetracking from the actual crux of the issue.

This isn’t particularly..,, shall we say mainstream, that a 16 and 18 year old has never hitherto expressed an interest in modern pop music

I didn't say that. My older girls like modern pop music, but nothing like this.

The problem with K-Pop is the age of the girls and the way they are made to dance and dress.

Ok so you have spoken at length about it on mumsnet

You clearly are going to have a “chat” with her, but when? And what are you planning to say?

in the meantime, are you still allowing her to watch and listen?

Yes, DH and I spoke with her about it a little yesterday evening. She is still listening. Has not really seen many videos up to now but was hoping to watch more, hence me wanting tips here on how to handle that.

I'm not sure why you are feeling the need to stalk previous threads from years ago and pick apart everything I am saying. I won't be engaging with this anymore as it's not helpful.

Because as that very brief AS demonstrated…. There is more to this and your concern

No we weren't!

How well you put that @MorrisZapp

But if you've had to broach the subject of risqué media before it would be the same

What she wrote in that letter is so true and every girl and woman should read it.

IMO, K-Pop is different. There is a sinister undercurrent of sexualising very young adults/teens by making them wear revealing clothes and dance in certain ways.

I lived in Japan for years and saw it all there too. Manga full of schoolgirls with short skirts and knickers on show which creepy older men would be leering over while pleasuring themselves in public, vending machines selling used schoolgirl's knickers, you name it. Those are the things that are making me feel uneasy - the whole cultural background to what is being shown in the name of entertainment.

Im Mrs Mary Whitehouse these days. I clutch my pearls at everything. I definitely don't approve. They are all Lolitas.

K Pop is Korean not Japanese

Although there is an overlap with Manga, J Pop, "school girls"

Which I bet your 16 and 18 year old encountered anyway

And, as has been pointed out. It's not new to have scantily clad musicians who are also aimed at children. It will still have the same issues over wanting to copy them etc

I do know that K-Pop is Korean! I didn't live in Japan for years without knowing the difference! My point is that the same sinister undertones are there in K-Pop, and it concerns me.

My 16yo and 18yo did not encounter stuff like this. It was not the kind of music they were interested in.

Twerking, anyone?

Yes, it’s sexualised but Atomic Kitten, Pussycat Dolls, Christina Aguilera, Britney Spears in her schoolgirl outfit…c’mon! All the dances we learned as pre-teens were horrifically sexualised. Don’t even get me started on nineties/noughties hip-hop culture 😂.

What were you listening to, OP? Cliff Richard?

I think you’ve wilfully obtuse with that poster, OP. Agree about manga and anime - we meandered into a pop up shop that was selling lots of kawaii alongside some serious grim anime figures etc - DH was horrified!

Are you prone to anxiety around your kids op? Whether health related or otherwise?

No, not particularly.

Really?

But you K Pop is different and then talked about Japan without making it a comparison. Like you considered K Pop and Japan to be synonymous

And your 16 and 18 year olds will definitely have encountered plenty of questionable materials

I think you genuinely have lived under a rock until someone showed you a K Pop band

The best thing you can do is to get your daughter some decent hobbies (if she doesn't already have them). My children and nephews and nieces are all busy doing hobbies like indoor rock climbing, sailing, horse riding, paddle boarding, ice skating, air cadets etc . They are too busy to spend hours on their phones and doing active outdoorsy sports means they value their bodies for far more than "how they look" and they are comfortable being out in the world in sports gear and windswept hair. It's much better for body image.

@moresoup agree 100%. If you can get your teenagers absorbed in a (non-toxic) hobby, that makes all the difference.