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Private school grief

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Movingonfeelssad · 16/09/2025 12:56

Hey,
just came to the realization that private school for my child will not happen. Local State is good, cannot complain really, he will be fine, but will always wonder what doors private would have opened. We can afford it, mainly because of my income and this created so much pain in my husband that I decided to let it go. As a self made person from a very underprivileged background, it took so much grit and determination to get to where I am right now financially and I find it slightly challenging not to aim for the best for my child. But the value for money makes no sense with today’s fees and increasing costs, lifestyle creep etc…
what is the point of being successful as a professional if I need to hide it all the time? And before you say, yes my husband is very supportive of me otherwise…

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LittleMG · 17/09/2025 17:52

It’s really annoying how you have referred to it as GRIEF, do you have any idea what grief is like???

38thparallel · 17/09/2025 17:56

Because for some people it is Schrodinger' education: independent schools simultaneously confer privilege and advantage whilst at same time not being as good as state schools.

@twistyizzy yes it’s very odd. I suppose it’s an opportunity to sneer at what posters perceive to be posho children and tell parents that private schools are known to damage their pupils so it shows what sort of awful parents they are if they use them. Yet despite the damage and inferior education somehow these children are ‘privileged’.
Odd logic.

twistyizzy · 17/09/2025 18:09

38thparallel · 17/09/2025 17:56

Because for some people it is Schrodinger' education: independent schools simultaneously confer privilege and advantage whilst at same time not being as good as state schools.

@twistyizzy yes it’s very odd. I suppose it’s an opportunity to sneer at what posters perceive to be posho children and tell parents that private schools are known to damage their pupils so it shows what sort of awful parents they are if they use them. Yet despite the damage and inferior education somehow these children are ‘privileged’.
Odd logic.

100%

It's the attitude that there's a finite amount of success available in life so no-one should have more than their equal share of it.

CatkinToadflax · 17/09/2025 18:12

@twistyizzy @38thparallel

Also the unshakeable belief that private school parents are buying their children’s artificially inflated grades, whilst simultaneously the teaching in those same schools is inferior to that in state schools and is provided by unqualified teachers.

Calliopespa · 17/09/2025 18:12

Movingonfeelssad · 17/09/2025 12:33

And how do you “buy” the enrichment that is instilled every day in the private school experience please? The “private school energy” that makes candidates come across as great culture fits, leadership high potential in interviews or over the course of a career. I am clear on the hard skills and work ethic but those are never the reason why people succeed past 100k ish type of jobs

You see the funny thing is, op, those of us who are paying private fees worry that their education will actually count against them in a job interview, given the quotas, prevailing attitudes etc.

Is not that simple, but I guess that's my point: you don't just go to private school then scoop all the jobs.

I agree there are other benefits, but it isn't a guarantee of a successful job interview.

Calliopespa · 17/09/2025 18:15

CatkinToadflax · 17/09/2025 18:12

@twistyizzy @38thparallel

Also the unshakeable belief that private school parents are buying their children’s artificially inflated grades, whilst simultaneously the teaching in those same schools is inferior to that in state schools and is provided by unqualified teachers.

They don't all have unqualified teachers: that is nonsense.

Manthide · 17/09/2025 18:19

Frazzled83 · 17/09/2025 17:43

I totally get it, I’d hate to the poor parents at a school full of relatively wealthy families. We thought about private but the lifestyle hit would be huge and I perhaps selfishly don’t want my kid only doing nice things with school.

I don't think it's ever entered my head to categorise people according to their wealth! I'm poor, a working class scouser, exdh is unemployed, we're on universal credit but I just interact with the other parents normally. The other day I went to a garden party in Cambridge with lots of posh, presumably very clever and maybe wealthy people. I wasn't fazed though I work in a warehouse on a zero hours contract!

CatkinToadflax · 17/09/2025 18:21

Calliopespa · 17/09/2025 18:15

They don't all have unqualified teachers: that is nonsense.

That’s exactly the point I’m making. 🙂

38thparallel · 17/09/2025 18:23

The list keeps getting longer:
Unqualified teachers.
Less likely to get into top universities.
Traumatised children.
Counts against them when job hunting.
All pupils are thick and entitled.
Everyone hates poshos.
Drugs and bullying are rife.

Please, someone, tell me where the ‘privilege’ is in private education.

Calliopespa · 17/09/2025 18:23

CatkinToadflax · 17/09/2025 18:21

That’s exactly the point I’m making. 🙂

Oh well I'm getting confused! Very expensive education here op and I can't follow a thread so all is not lost!

TheaBrandt1 · 17/09/2025 18:26

I think the poster saying everything is changing is spot on. Private schools are becoming out of reach financially for the academic upper middle class (doctors / non City solicitors) with more then one child. Cost of living / lower salaries / VAT. But English private schools are popular with overseas students.

Over time I think it will be very wealthy / generationally monied and the overseas students who will be the majority in the private schools. Anecdotally I see this happening already with Dd2s friends who at the local private schools. The “normal” middle class we know with the odd exception are all at state. Many friends went private themselves but could not afford it for their children.

Comedycook · 17/09/2025 18:35

TheaBrandt1 · 17/09/2025 18:26

I think the poster saying everything is changing is spot on. Private schools are becoming out of reach financially for the academic upper middle class (doctors / non City solicitors) with more then one child. Cost of living / lower salaries / VAT. But English private schools are popular with overseas students.

Over time I think it will be very wealthy / generationally monied and the overseas students who will be the majority in the private schools. Anecdotally I see this happening already with Dd2s friends who at the local private schools. The “normal” middle class we know with the odd exception are all at state. Many friends went private themselves but could not afford it for their children.

This is true. My DD is at a state secondary and I was very struck by how middle class her group of friends are. They are definitely from the kind of families who sent their kids to private schools in the 80/90s.

Countryspaniel · 17/09/2025 18:46

The saddest thing is that Labour who are supposed to be be about supporting people have ensured that private achools become more elite and less accessible for the socially mobile and education focused aspirational families because they added 20% to the fees to cut out the people qho might have just about afforded it.

SamPoodle123 · 17/09/2025 18:50

Do you plan on having more kids? We decided to go private for secondary and this year our second child started. It is a lot of money. I think maybe men feel the financial pressures more then women, even if the woman is working as well.

Have you thought of state first then private? It is possible to get into top private secondary schools from state. Both my dc are in top academic schools and both were in state primary.

blacksax · 17/09/2025 19:07

Manthide · 17/09/2025 15:25

Private school does seem to give dc a lot of confidence. All 4 of mine went private for secondary and are good at putting themselves across. Dd3, my youngest, is in y13, head of house, head of CCF, just got 100% in her grade 8 LAMDA and is about to sit her grade 8 piano. She has done her d of e gold, has completed all her ballet grades, competes in athletics and fences a few times a week. We are on UC, she has a full bursary and she has ADHD.
She'd probably have been fine at our local state school though.

Really? What grade ballet is she?

Calliopespa · 17/09/2025 19:13

Comedycook · 17/09/2025 18:35

This is true. My DD is at a state secondary and I was very struck by how middle class her group of friends are. They are definitely from the kind of families who sent their kids to private schools in the 80/90s.

Definitely true.

CallMeMessy · 17/09/2025 19:56

HeWhoMustNotBeNamed · 17/09/2025 13:58

You 'buy' the private school effect by putting your child in a toxic and judgemental environment where they have to build a shield of confidence around themselves so that the other children don't have anything to bully them for.

My husband and his brother are currently going through a lot of counselling to try and get over the trauma that private school caused for them (this was boarding school but it won't be much different as a day student)

State education is often better than private anyway

I work with a LOT of privately educated colleagues. Not one of the boarders would chose it for their child, several are open about the long lasting negative impact it’s had on them.. on the surface they are accomplished, confident people but struggle with the effects of bullying, sense of abandonment, struggle to express emotion, and much more.

CallMeMessy · 17/09/2025 19:58

Countryspaniel · 17/09/2025 18:46

The saddest thing is that Labour who are supposed to be be about supporting people have ensured that private achools become more elite and less accessible for the socially mobile and education focused aspirational families because they added 20% to the fees to cut out the people qho might have just about afforded it.

I genuinely struggle to understand why ordinary people who couldn’t afford fees even if they wanted to are supposed to feel sorry that well off people now also can’t afford fees.
You can’t afford something, then don’t buy/use/ have it . Why should anyone else care?

PithyTaupeWriter · 17/09/2025 19:59

Movingonfeelssad · 17/09/2025 14:08

correct and if the case for “best for our child” was more tangible, he would be going for it enthusiastically. Also because technically he could afford it even without me, it would just leave him with less discretionary spend once all the investments/pension contributions are taken care of 😞

YABVU to pander to your pathetic, brittle ego husband. If you think private school is best for your child and you can afford it, with or without him, then you should not be pandering to him. Absolutely ridiculous.

Muddlings · 17/09/2025 20:23

CallMeMessy · 17/09/2025 19:58

I genuinely struggle to understand why ordinary people who couldn’t afford fees even if they wanted to are supposed to feel sorry that well off people now also can’t afford fees.
You can’t afford something, then don’t buy/use/ have it . Why should anyone else care?

For me, I care because it narrows the pool of people with that choice even further. I don’t think it’s good to keep widening the gap. I also care that the pool of people trying to survive without foodbanks has narrowed. I don’t need a foodbank and I can’t afford private school.

Movingonfeelssad · 17/09/2025 20:28

SamPoodle123 · 17/09/2025 18:50

Do you plan on having more kids? We decided to go private for secondary and this year our second child started. It is a lot of money. I think maybe men feel the financial pressures more then women, even if the woman is working as well.

Have you thought of state first then private? It is possible to get into top private secondary schools from state. Both my dc are in top academic schools and both were in state primary.

short answer is no. And I am conscious that single children are more common in private than state …

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Feelinguselesssigh · 17/09/2025 20:30

If you have the money, I cannot see why your DH gets to trump your choice.

just tell him that you’ll do all the parents evening stuff. And that empty vessels make the most noise.

and not to cut his nose off to spite his face.

and maybe just get on and do it anyway if your DH is a bit ‘hand off’

Wellheresastate · 17/09/2025 20:37

Haven’t rtft but have read all OP posts. Don’t really know where to start with this the thinking appears so confused…

If you want to give your child the right school and best opportunities for them, you will need to look at all kids of schools to determine what that is. You don’t say how old your child is, but this is not a ‘one and done’ decision - there are entry points to private at various times and you can always see how you get on, and indeed move in either direction depending on circumstances.

I don’t feel it is helpful to look at education as a purely input/output situation (the ‘value add’) you keep speaking of. You don’t know what that might look like for your child, so ant this point if is partly unknowable and, as you have identified, much is intangible. Some of it is also just that a lot of the children you’ve met at these schools experience privilege in many areas of their lives, it is not just because they are at private school.

There seems to be an aspiration about the “elite” and a comparison that other privates are just like state with fees. To some extent this might be true but be careful not to confuse traits that can quickly become arrogance/entitlement with an excellent education. You don’t say where you are but eg. there are top London day schools which I would say are educationally superior to places like eton/harrow in terms of producing well-rounded pupils. Also, if your son is not yet at school you have no idea of the weight the state system in many areas is currently dealing with and the impact of long term chronic underfunding not just in education but also in health etc. CAHMS waitlists here are 40 months at the moment and this impacts children, families and schools. What you perceive as “just like state school” may in fact be “just like you’d like state school to be - but it often can’t be that right now”.

More importantly than any of this is that the ‘grief’ you feel doesn’t appear to be about education per se - as someone who has built their own success I imagine you would be able to navigate a change of school at 7/11/13/16. I suggest it is far more about the route feeling closed off entirely due to your husband’s attitude. And this is something I think you’re struggling with and using ‘value add’ to avoid confronting it. First, what a prejudiced attitude he has to assume all parents at private schools are arrogant, entitled, snobbish etc etc. I mean, pick your school (and some doubtless will be) but is that what you find at work? Are all your successful colleagues (those you seek to admire in terms of confidence etc) this way? If anyone suggested all parents at state schools were any particular way they would/should be savaged. As a parent it is part of your job not to let your insecurities impact your children’s attitudes and opportunities. Is your child not to play at a someone’s house because it is bigger than yours? Or go somewhere with them because they have a fancier car?

Your husband’s fears are understandable, but he needs to deal with them himself. He will meet people he doesn’t like in all kinds of places - as well as those he does. If he feels emasculated by your success perhaps he should have considered that a while ago… I daresay there are other elements of your success he quite enjoys?!

importantly, you don’t have to allow his feelings on this to rule ywhat should be joint decisions in your child’s interests. That doesn’t mean it has to be a hill to die on either. But it is this which I would raise and monitor, with a view to agreeing a compromise (eg. that you will keep things under review and both be open to a change of tack). Being in a relationship where you don’t feel able to really see things from each others’ perspectives, or where you feel your child’s interests aren’t fundamental is indeed very upsetting and a loss.

As a cautionary tale… I know someone who went to a comp. After leaving, and initially going off to a low rung uni which he did not enjoy, he decided to apply to Oxford off his own bat. He got in and saved his acceptance letter to share with his parents on Christmas Day. His dad’s response? “Oh you’re all fancy now are you, and don’t want anything to do with the likes of us?”
That was over 30 years ago and his dad hasn’t seen his granddaughter in 8 years (not just because of that, but it sets the tone…)

Sorry this is so long, but can I suggest your husband needs to work on himself and try not to let his hang-ups disadvantage his child both in general terms and on this issue in particular? He’s not much of a man if he can’t see that this is his problem - not yours and certainly not his child’s. Don’t make it yours - you shouldn’t feel you just cave wholesale to his feelings.

38thparallel · 17/09/2025 20:49

Not one of the boarders would chose it for their child, several are open about the long lasting negative impact it’s had on them..

@CallMeMessy If this is the case, how do any boarding schools keep going - indeed, if they are that damaging why haven’t they all been closed down - and why are pupils who go to them considered ‘privileged’?

Calliopespa · 17/09/2025 20:55

Wellheresastate · 17/09/2025 20:37

Haven’t rtft but have read all OP posts. Don’t really know where to start with this the thinking appears so confused…

If you want to give your child the right school and best opportunities for them, you will need to look at all kids of schools to determine what that is. You don’t say how old your child is, but this is not a ‘one and done’ decision - there are entry points to private at various times and you can always see how you get on, and indeed move in either direction depending on circumstances.

I don’t feel it is helpful to look at education as a purely input/output situation (the ‘value add’) you keep speaking of. You don’t know what that might look like for your child, so ant this point if is partly unknowable and, as you have identified, much is intangible. Some of it is also just that a lot of the children you’ve met at these schools experience privilege in many areas of their lives, it is not just because they are at private school.

There seems to be an aspiration about the “elite” and a comparison that other privates are just like state with fees. To some extent this might be true but be careful not to confuse traits that can quickly become arrogance/entitlement with an excellent education. You don’t say where you are but eg. there are top London day schools which I would say are educationally superior to places like eton/harrow in terms of producing well-rounded pupils. Also, if your son is not yet at school you have no idea of the weight the state system in many areas is currently dealing with and the impact of long term chronic underfunding not just in education but also in health etc. CAHMS waitlists here are 40 months at the moment and this impacts children, families and schools. What you perceive as “just like state school” may in fact be “just like you’d like state school to be - but it often can’t be that right now”.

More importantly than any of this is that the ‘grief’ you feel doesn’t appear to be about education per se - as someone who has built their own success I imagine you would be able to navigate a change of school at 7/11/13/16. I suggest it is far more about the route feeling closed off entirely due to your husband’s attitude. And this is something I think you’re struggling with and using ‘value add’ to avoid confronting it. First, what a prejudiced attitude he has to assume all parents at private schools are arrogant, entitled, snobbish etc etc. I mean, pick your school (and some doubtless will be) but is that what you find at work? Are all your successful colleagues (those you seek to admire in terms of confidence etc) this way? If anyone suggested all parents at state schools were any particular way they would/should be savaged. As a parent it is part of your job not to let your insecurities impact your children’s attitudes and opportunities. Is your child not to play at a someone’s house because it is bigger than yours? Or go somewhere with them because they have a fancier car?

Your husband’s fears are understandable, but he needs to deal with them himself. He will meet people he doesn’t like in all kinds of places - as well as those he does. If he feels emasculated by your success perhaps he should have considered that a while ago… I daresay there are other elements of your success he quite enjoys?!

importantly, you don’t have to allow his feelings on this to rule ywhat should be joint decisions in your child’s interests. That doesn’t mean it has to be a hill to die on either. But it is this which I would raise and monitor, with a view to agreeing a compromise (eg. that you will keep things under review and both be open to a change of tack). Being in a relationship where you don’t feel able to really see things from each others’ perspectives, or where you feel your child’s interests aren’t fundamental is indeed very upsetting and a loss.

As a cautionary tale… I know someone who went to a comp. After leaving, and initially going off to a low rung uni which he did not enjoy, he decided to apply to Oxford off his own bat. He got in and saved his acceptance letter to share with his parents on Christmas Day. His dad’s response? “Oh you’re all fancy now are you, and don’t want anything to do with the likes of us?”
That was over 30 years ago and his dad hasn’t seen his granddaughter in 8 years (not just because of that, but it sets the tone…)

Sorry this is so long, but can I suggest your husband needs to work on himself and try not to let his hang-ups disadvantage his child both in general terms and on this issue in particular? He’s not much of a man if he can’t see that this is his problem - not yours and certainly not his child’s. Don’t make it yours - you shouldn’t feel you just cave wholesale to his feelings.

Edited

Lots of good advice in this post op.

I think you are treating all private schools as homogonous entities, when they really are not.

Sorry if I have skimmed the thread and missed this, but have you visited some possible schools to see what it is you feel they will be offering? And if so, and once you have that clear, have you taken DH to see what he feels about those advantages?

Some schools will indeed have plenty of the types he fears. But many, many private schools have some very ordinary folk making a real effort to give their dc an education they feel suits them. Equally, many privately-educated parents have decided the local state school actually offers their child more. And I have even known the same set of parents to choose state for one child and private for the other, because not all dc and all schools are alike.

I get the feeling you are viewing it as more of a box-tick: yup, private education, done.