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I will be spending Christmas alone and my children do not care

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Brazien · 15/09/2025 23:34

Hello,

I have 3 adult children, my eldest DD is 31, she is married and has a gorgeous little boy who is 11 months old. They spent last Christmas with me and DD already made it clear they would be doing one Christmas with us and another with her husbands family which is obviously totally fine and understandable. My next child is my DS who is 27 and then my youngest DS who is 25.

I would say I generally have a very positive relationship with all of my children, we talk relatively frequently and haven’t until now had a large falling out, they haven’t ever raised any issues with me in terms of our relationship and have historically initiated and planned visits. I am divorced and have been for many years, I have no close relatives as both of my parents have passed away and my only brother lives in Australia.

I absolutely love hosting Christmas, it is the highlight of my year. When my children’s father and I divorced we actually agreed he would get Boxing Day and New Years Eve (our children were still small when I got divorced) in exchange for me getting Christmas as it matters so much to me. I have hosted Christmas every year since I got married at 23, I never complain about hosting or resent doing this, like I said it’s the highlight of my year. As my children have grown it has of course meant some years I’ve had all of them home and others just one but never have they left me alone for Christmas and I’d actually say they have instead made quite a bit of effort between themselves to ensure someone is always around to spend Christmas with me.

Tonight I was added to a group text message chat, it included myself, both of my DS and their respective partners. DS1 has been with his girlfriend for about a year and a half, DS2 has been with his boyfriend for a year. My eldest son then sent a message, I’ll paraphrase but it effectively said that due to my attitude and opinions in regards to his girlfriend he will not be spending Christmas with me this year as he would like to spend it with her and refuses to expose her to my “inflammatory” opinions. He said he his brother and their partners have all booked to go skiing/snowboarding instead. They then all left the group message chat before I was able to reply.

First of all, this is not a way in which my son would ever normally speak to me, it was very defensive and accusatory in tone. Second of all, the opinions he is referring to are from a conversation I had with him following a large family get together for Easter. She is 24, French and seems to have an extremely elevated ego and level of confidence that borders on arrogance. I know she has a poor relationship with her own father (her mother has passed) but he none the less funds her life which consists entirely of expensive pastimes (snowboarding, tennis, concerts) and seemingly getting drunk, using drugs and partying.

At Easter she mentioned politics, which isn’t something I’d be keen to talk about over a family meal normally but my DS said that if we can’t have a friendly debate then we seal ourselves into an echo chamber of our own beliefs. She was totally unwilling to hear me out, and kept citing her multilingual abilities, degree and “travels” as reason she clearly knew much better than I, about politics, in Britain, a country she has only lived in for about 2 years. I shut the conversation down and said this is clearly unproductive. I then told my son afterwards that I had found her attitude to be filled with arrogance. She has also blank out refused to attend my nephews wedding as it was in a church and my DD told me that soon after she gave birth she said to her “if you ever want to play tennis or go to Pilates I will go with you; I’m sure you’re dying to shed the baby weight”. DD found this quite upsetting at the time but DS refused to call her out for it.

In terms of Christmas, both of my DS had said they would be spending this year with me, DS1 did not spend last year with me but DS2 did. I was looking forward to this and despite my dislikes of his girlfriend’s attitude, I made it clear she was also invited, as was DS2s boyfriend.

I called DS1 after the message in the group message chat and explained that I had never meant to cause offence to his girlfriend or to him for that matter and only ever shared opinions as she has always seemed so keen to be forthcoming with her own. I told him that I would be spending Christmas alone and I found that very upsetting and asked him to reconsider, I also offered to cover any costs associated with rescheduling their trip. He told me quite plainly it is not his problem that I would be alone and that he felt like I did not approve of his girlfriend and would never approve of him dating someone “intelligent, gorgeous and cultured” as it would make me “insecure”. Again this is never a way he has spoken to me before. He then hung up.

I then called DS2 who said that he was sorry I would be alone but he feels they’ve given me enough time to make other arrangements and that he feels that his brother is right that I clearly don’t like his girlfriend and he wants to show a stand of support to his brother and his girlfriend who he said he thinks is brilliant. He claimed I only don’t like her as she doesn’t conform to my expectations of a polite “basic” girl who just wants to get married and go on family holidays every year.

While I would say I don’t massively like her, I’m an adult and totally capable of being perfectly civil towards her. More so the reasons I don’t like her have nothing to do with her beliefs but her sheer arrogance, ego and reckless lifestyle, funded entirely by her father.

AIBU to be quite upset by this and to believe this is most likely coming from his girlfriend? How should I approach this going forward?

OP posts:
KatSlayMoon · 16/09/2025 17:08

SnippySnappy · 16/09/2025 16:55

Your last paragraph is dripping with jealousy. Your poor son.

I agree. It sounds like the OP was expecting a nice and malleable incubator for her future grandchildren who would smile and nod away so the OP could remain at the top of the tree. Instead she has come across a wealthy, intelligent and confident young woman who won’t allow herself to be diminished or dominated. The power dynamics have shifted and the OP is struggling.

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 16/09/2025 17:09

Brazien · 16/09/2025 16:19

My son told me while they were broken up that her dad has just accepted she’s never going to want to settle down properly and suspects he just funds her to keep her in his orbit and prevent her from going totally off the rails. I did point out that someone who isn’t capable of really settling down probably isn’t a good long term partner but I think DS actually loves the chaos and freedom.

Sometimes I think it’s a little bit of a shame, she is rather intelligent and eloquent and has some very original ideas that if she sat still long enough to flesh out could make some fascinating books that would upset some and ignite others. But of course, it’s far more fun to risk your life in Chamonix than settle down!

She's 24 years old! Of course she doesn't want to bloody settle down.

BruFord · 16/09/2025 17:09

@Brazien Slightly off the topic question. Is your son able to afford a similar lifestyle as his gf?

BallybunionTao · 16/09/2025 17:09

MazzytheStar · 16/09/2025 17:08

I haven’t read all the replies and I seem to be in the minority but leaving your mum alone at Christmas is a horrible thing to do.
I’m Irish and older so maybe my opinions about extended family are different but I don’t know anyone who would do so (unless their parent was completely toxic and they had disowned them).

There is obviously a situation here and unless we have both sides of the story, it’s very hard to give advice. The daughter-in-law doesn’t know how to behave with a future mother-in-law - shouldn’t she be on better behaviour around her snd not be so antagonistic? They only meet up once in a while - why ruin it with divided opinions. The son is amother one who doesn’t know social niceties- don’t discuss religion or politics around the dinner table (again when you only see them once in a while).

Maybe the OP shouldn’t have discussed her opinions of the daughter in law with the son. I suppose she just wants best for the son and she doesn’t see the daughter-in-law as that. You have to let your kids choose for themselves I suppose. Although I wouldn’t like it if my partner was an ass to my parent.

Irish, and I leave my parents alone at Christmas all the time!

Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 16/09/2025 17:09

Brazien · 16/09/2025 16:19

My son told me while they were broken up that her dad has just accepted she’s never going to want to settle down properly and suspects he just funds her to keep her in his orbit and prevent her from going totally off the rails. I did point out that someone who isn’t capable of really settling down probably isn’t a good long term partner but I think DS actually loves the chaos and freedom.

Sometimes I think it’s a little bit of a shame, she is rather intelligent and eloquent and has some very original ideas that if she sat still long enough to flesh out could make some fascinating books that would upset some and ignite others. But of course, it’s far more fun to risk your life in Chamonix than settle down!

It’s not a shame as it’s her life to live, not yours. I’m sure she really enjoys her freedom. Good for her - you’re only young once.

You actually seem quite arrogant OP, and come across as threatened by your son’s girlfriend.

I think your son shouldn’t have told his gf those comments, but your lack of reflectiveness on this thread comes across as very superior and condescending. The girlfriend has different views to you - that’s life. Her age and experience doesn’t make her views any less valid. She’s not forcing you to live like her so I’m not sure why you’re so rattled?

Terrribletwos · 16/09/2025 17:09

Brazien · 16/09/2025 17:07

I will apologise for the harsh comments on her character (especially as DD believe DS plans to propose “soon”).

For Christmas this year I will probably do something at home, my DD has said she will bring her family around on Christmas Eve. Canada or cruise etc. would be lovely but I would hate to impose myself on my friends and I enjoy going to my own church on Christmas Day.

Did you see them (your kids) as being at yours for Christmas every year no matter what was going on with their lives? Or is just this year?

user1473878824 · 16/09/2025 17:10

BruFord · 16/09/2025 17:00

@user1473878824 So when I’m invited to my neighbors’ to celebrate Diwali in October as I usually am, it’ll be fine for me to make comments on Hinduism?

Hmm, I wonder. 🤔

“I wouldn’t go to a Mandir because I don’t believe in it”. Not sure anyone is going to think that’s stirring up racial hatred.

InterIgnis · 16/09/2025 17:10

WonderingWitch · 16/09/2025 16:48

From the original post, it reads as though your children view you as disposable, especially the son who sided with his brother, because you don't like his girlfriend. Does he not have a spine? As the girlfriend is young and pretty and probably has good connections, they're bending over backwards to accommodate her. As for DD, perhaps she doesn't want to feel left out and succumbing to pressure as well. They all sound fickle.

He stood up to his mother, so evidently he has a spine. Or is the issue not really because there’s a lack of spine, but that the puppet isn’t being controlled by the rightful master?

You’re assuming that he agrees with OP, and has been forced into doing something he didn’t want to do, rather than it being the case that he’s done and is doing exactly what he wanted and wants to do.

Why is it that this man is being treated like he’s somehow incapable of making his own decisions, and that his girlfriend must be to blame?

Choux · 16/09/2025 17:10

Re reading the OP, it seems only DS1 actually messaged on the group chat and the daughter wasn’t even on it. DS1 could have added his partner and Other DS and partner without them knowing in advance it was going to happen, sent his message and then left. The other son and partner might have then seen the message before you and wanting no part of it, left the chat.

So it could be DS1 planned and executed the chat alone and your other son and partner did not participate at all. Whether DS1s partner knew in advance it would happen is unknown.

Brazien · 16/09/2025 17:11

BruFord · 16/09/2025 17:09

@Brazien Slightly off the topic question. Is your son able to afford a similar lifestyle as his gf?

Not particularly, he works in finance (ironic considering many of her views). I get the sense that she is happy in a hostel or cheap hotel though as long she can go do an adrenaline filled activity and keep enough money for her habits.
Her dad bought her a flat in London when she moved for her masters so I imagine she covers a fair bit for DS.

OP posts:
ThatPlumSquid · 16/09/2025 17:11

While the gf is clearly a very clued up individual and has a detailed knowledge of politics etc. it does not necessarily mean that a passionate debate on these topics would be welcome during a family celebration. i do think it's a general social rule that when you are a guest in someone's home you leave any heavier subjects at the door unless of course your hosts enjoy these types of discussions (and you can usually tell pretty quickly if they do or don't!)

On a broader note, I am always amazed how little respect people expect from their adult children and I am surprised how many PP are saying the OP should be issuing a grovelling apology because she gave an option about the GF, when said GF clearly has no issues voicing quite strong opinions of her own. I would certainly expect a bit more loyalty and respect from my DC in this situation and even if they told me to keep my opinions to myself (which would be more than reasonable of them) I would be pretty miffed if they instead chose to recite my words to their partner of one year.

OP both your DS sound like they have been taken in by someone who is no doubt very beguiling and in the short term great fun, however given your DS1 has himself been critical of his GF during a recent break up, I would bet money her appeal will wear thin soon enough. In the meantime plan yourself an exciting solo trip over Christmas and crucially SAY NO MORE about Christmas to any of your kids unless they mention it first. Then fill them in on your plans in a casual "no big deal" tone. Perhaps in a WhatsApp message 😉

LovePoppy · 16/09/2025 17:12

You obviously hate this woman and have expressed so to your children. What were you thinking?

it sounds like your second son has the measure of you.

Time to stop blaming a woman for what a man says.

BruFord · 16/09/2025 17:13

user1473878824 · 16/09/2025 17:10

“I wouldn’t go to a Mandir because I don’t believe in it”. Not sure anyone is going to think that’s stirring up racial hatred.

@user1473878824 I meant the subsequent comment:

”I’d rather go to hell than heaven if heaven is bound to the same rules Christian’s are” knowing full well I had just been to church!

Should I say something similar about Hindus to my neighbors at their Diwali celebration, or would that be extremely rude?

LimoncelloSpritzplease · 16/09/2025 17:14

Sorry to hear this OP my adult children are much younger than yours one has a long term GF who we love and the other doesn’t. I/we love family Christmases but know these won’t last forever and at some point probably sooner than we are ready for it one or both of them may want to make alternative plans without us such as a holiday, spending a romantic Christmas just them and a partner or spending Christmas with a partners family. I know they are not responsible for me or my happiness. I will be sad but know I must accept it. I can either try and wangle an invite elsewhere, go on holiday and forget Christmas or have a solitary self indulgent Christmas with crisp walks, lots of films and eating exactly what I like to eat and drink exactly when I want it.

In your case. I would let the dust settle a bit, send a full apology (no buts, sarcasm or excuses, no flouncing or guilt tripping, learn a lesson and remember don’t tell tales to either of your children about the others. Maybe read Let Them by Mel Robbins. The main message is let them enjoy pleasing themselves how they want to spend Christmas this year but more importantly let me start a new tradition by pleasing myself and organising a special Christmas for myself of my own choosing.

outerspacepotato · 16/09/2025 17:14

Calliopespa · 16/09/2025 17:00

She worries about the sports because they are dangerous.

It is up to her sons as adults if they want to do dangerous things, but it isn't a bizarre or unnatural response in a mother who has probably lived long enough to have experienced friends or family ending up on the wrong side of those activities.

That's not to say I think she can stop him, or even that she should try to, but I think it is only fair to acknowledge it isn't some monstrously deformed character trait in her that it might upset her.

Be a little understanding. She is being told she mustn't share her feelings with her family, because that's controlling, and now she can't even share them on here. Give her a break.

Driving a car is dangerous. Walking to work is dangerous.

They're adults and can choose what sports they want to do. Just because Mom wants to wrap them in cotton wool doesn't mean they have to live the narrow life she would be seemingly happy with. She's getting the consequences of her open dislike of her son's gf and she sure is fine talking smack about her here.

She can share her feelings here and posters can voice their opinions on whether she's unreasonable or not. I think she is.

DaphneduM · 16/09/2025 17:15

Brazien · 16/09/2025 17:07

I will apologise for the harsh comments on her character (especially as DD believe DS plans to propose “soon”).

For Christmas this year I will probably do something at home, my DD has said she will bring her family around on Christmas Eve. Canada or cruise etc. would be lovely but I would hate to impose myself on my friends and I enjoy going to my own church on Christmas Day.

Do you think you've demonstrated your Christian values then? Perhaps you should reflect on your actions and attitude.

user1473878824 · 16/09/2025 17:15

BruFord · 16/09/2025 17:13

@user1473878824 I meant the subsequent comment:

”I’d rather go to hell than heaven if heaven is bound to the same rules Christian’s are” knowing full well I had just been to church!

Should I say something similar about Hindus to my neighbors at their Diwali celebration, or would that be extremely rude?

Edited

I dunno, are they as precious as you?

CoffeeCantata · 16/09/2025 17:15

Trendyname · 16/09/2025 16:51

Because girlfriend insisted on a political debate when she was invited to OP’s house on Easter. Do you go to people’s home for religious holidays and then start heavy debating on seriously dividing topics and knowing that op is a church goer, she made a nasty comment about Christians.

Why do you think it’s ok for gf to comment on bf’s sister’s weight?

There is a lot of ageism on this thread.

OMG - I missed the gf’s comments about Christians!

Wow -can you imagine saying something similar to a Muslim mum or a Jewish one for observing their religious festivals? And I say that as an agnostic.

She sounds a piece of work.

diddl · 16/09/2025 17:15

I will apologise for the harsh comments on her character (especially as DD believe DS plans to propose “soon”).

Why can't you just apologise for being nasty without the justification?

EveningSpread · 16/09/2025 17:16

Why on earth did your son tell her what you said when they had broken up?! Lesson learned there for you, but god what a shit stirrer he is.

The WhatsApp group announcement is also a horrible way to go about things. There seems so much malice from your DS. It’s really sad.

Another one for team Hans! Bonus points if Hans is the GF’s ex boyfriend / father.

Praying4Peace · 16/09/2025 17:16

Brazien · 15/09/2025 23:44

No you are right, I probably should have kept my mouth shut on my opinions in regards to his girlfriend but at the time I was incredibly angered by her attitude and as she had been so forthcoming with her own opinions, I took a chance. Upon reflection that was rather shortsighted of me.

Don't beat yourself up OP, we have all had situations where we should have put up and shut up.
What is clear from your post is your desperation not to be alone at Christmas.
Alot of people don't like Christmas and get through it in many ways (myself included). Alot of people spend Christmas alone too for a variety of reasons.
The happy family scenarios portrayed on the media are not reflective of many families and Christmas puts emphasis on what has gone wrong / missing in people's lives. This includes divorce, bereavement, imprisonment etc etc.
Please try to put the current situation aside and remember that Christmas day is just ONE day.
Deep breath, you will get through it

BruFord · 16/09/2025 17:16

Brazien · 16/09/2025 17:11

Not particularly, he works in finance (ironic considering many of her views). I get the sense that she is happy in a hostel or cheap hotel though as long she can go do an adrenaline filled activity and keep enough money for her habits.
Her dad bought her a flat in London when she moved for her masters so I imagine she covers a fair bit for DS.

@Brazien That’s good, it occurred to me that he could be running up credit card debt keeping up with her lifestyle, but that sounds unlikely.

LimoncelloSpritzplease · 16/09/2025 17:17

Also maybe watch ‘the girlfriend’ on Prime. Different situation but you can’t control how others view a situation until they are ready to see it for themselves you can only control your reaction to a situation.

CharlotteLightandDark · 16/09/2025 17:17

I’d be pretty surprised if she doesn’t dump him sooner or later - engagement or not.

Gingersky1234 · 16/09/2025 17:17

NameinVane · 16/09/2025 00:04

I was a bit of a twat when I first met my in-laws. I was in my mid 20s and had lots of opinions that they definitely wouldn’t have agreed with but I was quite strident about and used to voice with the certainty of youth at the dinner table. Luckily they realised their son loved me and that’s what mattered so they were kind, polite and generous with the food and wine. We get on great now.

I would do what JellyBeanSpring25 has suggested; completely apologise, do your own thing this year without guilt tripping anyone and reset things. I think this stage of life must be hard to adjust to as your children transition to being proper grown ups with their own families. Good luck OP.

I agree with the above post.

Unless you think one of your adult dc is in imminent and serious danger, then you don’t have a right to an opinion on their choice of gf or bf unfortunately, well not one you can express out loud anyway. You need to learn to keep your own counsel op.

And I agree with the pp who said a lot of this is a cultural issue. Many French families discuss politics at the table and many French women take a very intense interest in shedding baby weight in the post-partum period.

Op, sorry to say this, but being very blunt, you are now in the process of transitioning away from being the central matriarchal figure in your adult children’s lives and moving more in to the sidelines. It’s an inevitable change and shows you have done your job well! You have given your dc wings to go and live their own lives! Although it’s difficult for you op, the best way forward is to be accepting of change,

Please don’t keep them tethered or make them feel guilty. They are perfectly entitled to have their own plans at Christmas. Imagine being twenty-five again! The last thing you want to do is have them spend Christmas with you under duress, feeling resentful. You will end up driving them away even further.

There will be plenty of times in the future when they want to bring their young families to see you, if you play it right now!

It’s not your dc’s fault that you absolutely love hosting Christmas sorry to say. Just because it’s one of your favourite things to do doesn’t mean that they are obliged to participate in that!

It was probably presented to you as a fait accompli because you have been too controlling about imposing your own stamp on Christmas in the past and they were afraid you were going to kick up a fuss about it. It’s not a good sign in other words op, that they didn’t feel able to just chat to just chat to you about this normally.

The very best thing you can do at this moment op would be to surprise them and write a very upbeat shortish message to them all saying that you have taken some time to reflect, and although change is hard, you have realised that they all have their own lives to lead and that you are genuinely delighted and happy for them, and proud of the people that they have become, you are glad they spoke up, and you hope they have a splendid Christmas and make sure that you send your love to them all and to the two girlfriends. And try and mean it!

Fake it until you make it op! I have seen too many relationships destroyed over the years by over-smothering mothers! (Sorry to say it usually is mothers.)

Also, tell them that you have decided to:

-have friends come for Christmas lunch/
-offer your hosting skills to nearest homeless shelter/
-offer to host some other people in your local area who are lonely and isolated/
-book yourself a cruise/
-stay with a friend/
-booked yourself in for a spa abroad.

Then extend an informal no-pressure invitation to them all for drinks, snacks and a take away with table tennis or board games mid-December and don’t go over the top with the hosting. Just have fun and enjoy their company,

I know you are upset op but please try and look upon this incident as a catalyst for change and a sign that you are not perhaps developing enough outside interests and are relying on your dc too much for love and validation. This situation will only get worse if you don’t tackle it head-on now and make changes within yourself.

Good luck op and please try and move from the “woe is me and no one cares” mindset to “I am lucky that I get to spend Christmas alone doing my own thing!” . I know it’s easy to say but you really do risk being alone if you continue along this trajectory 💐

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