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I will be spending Christmas alone and my children do not care

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Brazien · 15/09/2025 23:34

Hello,

I have 3 adult children, my eldest DD is 31, she is married and has a gorgeous little boy who is 11 months old. They spent last Christmas with me and DD already made it clear they would be doing one Christmas with us and another with her husbands family which is obviously totally fine and understandable. My next child is my DS who is 27 and then my youngest DS who is 25.

I would say I generally have a very positive relationship with all of my children, we talk relatively frequently and haven’t until now had a large falling out, they haven’t ever raised any issues with me in terms of our relationship and have historically initiated and planned visits. I am divorced and have been for many years, I have no close relatives as both of my parents have passed away and my only brother lives in Australia.

I absolutely love hosting Christmas, it is the highlight of my year. When my children’s father and I divorced we actually agreed he would get Boxing Day and New Years Eve (our children were still small when I got divorced) in exchange for me getting Christmas as it matters so much to me. I have hosted Christmas every year since I got married at 23, I never complain about hosting or resent doing this, like I said it’s the highlight of my year. As my children have grown it has of course meant some years I’ve had all of them home and others just one but never have they left me alone for Christmas and I’d actually say they have instead made quite a bit of effort between themselves to ensure someone is always around to spend Christmas with me.

Tonight I was added to a group text message chat, it included myself, both of my DS and their respective partners. DS1 has been with his girlfriend for about a year and a half, DS2 has been with his boyfriend for a year. My eldest son then sent a message, I’ll paraphrase but it effectively said that due to my attitude and opinions in regards to his girlfriend he will not be spending Christmas with me this year as he would like to spend it with her and refuses to expose her to my “inflammatory” opinions. He said he his brother and their partners have all booked to go skiing/snowboarding instead. They then all left the group message chat before I was able to reply.

First of all, this is not a way in which my son would ever normally speak to me, it was very defensive and accusatory in tone. Second of all, the opinions he is referring to are from a conversation I had with him following a large family get together for Easter. She is 24, French and seems to have an extremely elevated ego and level of confidence that borders on arrogance. I know she has a poor relationship with her own father (her mother has passed) but he none the less funds her life which consists entirely of expensive pastimes (snowboarding, tennis, concerts) and seemingly getting drunk, using drugs and partying.

At Easter she mentioned politics, which isn’t something I’d be keen to talk about over a family meal normally but my DS said that if we can’t have a friendly debate then we seal ourselves into an echo chamber of our own beliefs. She was totally unwilling to hear me out, and kept citing her multilingual abilities, degree and “travels” as reason she clearly knew much better than I, about politics, in Britain, a country she has only lived in for about 2 years. I shut the conversation down and said this is clearly unproductive. I then told my son afterwards that I had found her attitude to be filled with arrogance. She has also blank out refused to attend my nephews wedding as it was in a church and my DD told me that soon after she gave birth she said to her “if you ever want to play tennis or go to Pilates I will go with you; I’m sure you’re dying to shed the baby weight”. DD found this quite upsetting at the time but DS refused to call her out for it.

In terms of Christmas, both of my DS had said they would be spending this year with me, DS1 did not spend last year with me but DS2 did. I was looking forward to this and despite my dislikes of his girlfriend’s attitude, I made it clear she was also invited, as was DS2s boyfriend.

I called DS1 after the message in the group message chat and explained that I had never meant to cause offence to his girlfriend or to him for that matter and only ever shared opinions as she has always seemed so keen to be forthcoming with her own. I told him that I would be spending Christmas alone and I found that very upsetting and asked him to reconsider, I also offered to cover any costs associated with rescheduling their trip. He told me quite plainly it is not his problem that I would be alone and that he felt like I did not approve of his girlfriend and would never approve of him dating someone “intelligent, gorgeous and cultured” as it would make me “insecure”. Again this is never a way he has spoken to me before. He then hung up.

I then called DS2 who said that he was sorry I would be alone but he feels they’ve given me enough time to make other arrangements and that he feels that his brother is right that I clearly don’t like his girlfriend and he wants to show a stand of support to his brother and his girlfriend who he said he thinks is brilliant. He claimed I only don’t like her as she doesn’t conform to my expectations of a polite “basic” girl who just wants to get married and go on family holidays every year.

While I would say I don’t massively like her, I’m an adult and totally capable of being perfectly civil towards her. More so the reasons I don’t like her have nothing to do with her beliefs but her sheer arrogance, ego and reckless lifestyle, funded entirely by her father.

AIBU to be quite upset by this and to believe this is most likely coming from his girlfriend? How should I approach this going forward?

OP posts:
Chunkychips23 · 16/09/2025 13:09

A sincere apology would go a long way. You don’t have to like your son’s girlfriend, but if she loves him and treats him well, you just have to suck it up, even if she’s not your type of person.

You should be proud though that you brought your sons up to stand-up for themselves and not sit at a table where their partners aren’t welcome. Even if it’s yours.

A Christmas alone isn’t the worse thing to happen. Acknowledging to your children that you understand why it’s going to be that way and taking ownership for your part, will definitely help smooth things over. Something like “having taken time to reflect on my behaviour and the things I said, I am really sorry for upsetting DS1 girlfriend. You were right, it was unacceptable and I’ll do better” etc. Reaching out to her directly to apologise would help too.

Book yourself a mini break over Christmas or volunteer. Take some time to reflect and have some time to yourself.

Your son may end up marrying this girl. You’ll either have to forgive and forget and work to improve the relationship or always be on the outside.

Cakeandusername · 16/09/2025 13:11

Gosh you must see that calling her arrogant, self indulgent, reckless and inflated sense of self to her boyfriend and your other two kids was never going to end well. Think it. Possibly gently express concerns but it sounds like full on character assassination. Ouch.
Can you maybe write an apology and say you hope to move past it. Enjoy their holiday etc.

Glowingup · 16/09/2025 13:11

Brazien · 16/09/2025 13:02

I spoke to my DD this morning, not to encroach on her Christmas plans but just to discuss what had happened. I believe she must have spoken to her brothers as DS1 messaged me not very long ago saying
“Can I just clarify xxx isn’t upset because of the conversations at Easter, she enjoyed the debate and liked hearing your perspective. She is upset because you told me, DS2 and DD that she was arrogant, self indulgent, reckless and had an inflated sense of self”.

While I probably shouldn’t have said those things about her out loud, why on earth would he run and tell her if he was trying to keep peace!

Lol well if my mum said that about my DP just because she disagreed with his opinions then I’d cut her out too. Maybe he wanted to be honest with her as to why he wanted to cut you out and was disgusted at how you spoke about her to him. You’ve really fucked things up haven’t you?

TrimayrAcademy · 16/09/2025 13:13

Brazien · 16/09/2025 13:02

I spoke to my DD this morning, not to encroach on her Christmas plans but just to discuss what had happened. I believe she must have spoken to her brothers as DS1 messaged me not very long ago saying
“Can I just clarify xxx isn’t upset because of the conversations at Easter, she enjoyed the debate and liked hearing your perspective. She is upset because you told me, DS2 and DD that she was arrogant, self indulgent, reckless and had an inflated sense of self”.

While I probably shouldn’t have said those things about her out loud, why on earth would he run and tell her if he was trying to keep peace!

You have no one to blame but yourself for saying those things yet you are trying to blame your DS for telling her you said them.

whiteorchids44 · 16/09/2025 13:13

Some thoughts:

  • It was unkind of your children to create a WhatsApp group just to tell you the news and then leave the group.
  • It was unkind of you to criticize the GF. You don't know if this person might be in his life long term or if they might have kids together in the future. If you don't make amends, they might limit contact with you.
  • Make an effort to apologise to them in person. It will show your kids that you are taking accountability of your actions.
  • Your kids are now adults, you cannot have expectations on things like spending time together at Christmas. Etc.
  • You have enough time to plan your own Christmas. Go visit your brother, go on a holiday, volunteer or plan something that you will enjoy.
  • Get some popcorn and go binge watch The Girlfriend.
Glowingup · 16/09/2025 13:13

fastingforweightloss · 16/09/2025 13:07

And for all the people saying "it's just one day", "you're over reacting" etc, how many of you have left your mother ALONE on Christmas Day?

I saw one person that said they did. Anyone else?

It's a cultural No-No.

Add to that, the utterly VILE way they told her, on whatsapp, with their partners .......and then exiting the chat before Op could reply...well, if this wouldn't offend you, then your bar is on the fucking floor.

“VILE” “bar on the floor” etc etc. What about the vile way the OP spoke about the son’s girlfriend? I’d not give a shit about someone who spoke about my partner like that. It’s very telling that none of the kids are on the mums side.

Namechangedagain999 · 16/09/2025 13:14

Brazien · 16/09/2025 00:23

Gosh it covered all sorts, gender ideology, immigration, Palestine, Brexit, cultural integration following immigration etc. Then spiralled into her effectively saying soldiers are no better than murderers if the government who controls them are corrupt and into philosophy of moral relativism, modern warfare and her finishing her whole rant with “I’d rather go to hell than heaven if heaven is bound to the same rules Christian’s are” knowing full well I had just been to church!

All of those are contentious but from experience discussing gender ideology with the younger generation never ends well!!

NotToday1l · 16/09/2025 13:14

Brazien · 16/09/2025 13:02

I spoke to my DD this morning, not to encroach on her Christmas plans but just to discuss what had happened. I believe she must have spoken to her brothers as DS1 messaged me not very long ago saying
“Can I just clarify xxx isn’t upset because of the conversations at Easter, she enjoyed the debate and liked hearing your perspective. She is upset because you told me, DS2 and DD that she was arrogant, self indulgent, reckless and had an inflated sense of self”.

While I probably shouldn’t have said those things about her out loud, why on earth would he run and tell her if he was trying to keep peace!

While I probably shouldn’t have said those things about her out loud, why on earth would he run and tell her if he was trying to keep peace

Agree….silly nonsense, he told his partner something that he knew would upset her

Millytante · 16/09/2025 13:14

Brazien · 16/09/2025 13:06

If DS does propose I’ll be keen to see how their relationship evolves. They had a massive spat in January and broke up for 2 weeks and in that moment he expressed a lot of upset about aspects of their relationship, but they were back together before Valentine’s Day and went off on another holiday together.

You are clearly rubbing your hands together here in gleeful anticipation of a catastrophic breakup which will have your son running back to you, where he belongs.

JHound · 16/09/2025 13:15

gannett · 16/09/2025 13:05

You said those words to your son? About his girlfriend??

I'm surprised you expected anything other than this outcome.

Why not?

The son was the moron who went and told his GF leading to her not wanting to spend Christmas with the mother.

The more I read the more I am convinced the son is not too bright.

Telling his mother about his GFs coke habit and telling his GF his mother’s views of her.

Moron.

The mom should have shown tact in her views of the son’s girlfriend but the son was stupid in running and telling his girlfriend.

Glowingup · 16/09/2025 13:15

Namechangedagain999 · 16/09/2025 13:14

All of those are contentious but from experience discussing gender ideology with the younger generation never ends well!!

Yet the girlfriend said she enjoyed hearing different views. But didn’t enjoy being called a load of names in return for daring to have a different opinion.

InterIgnis · 16/09/2025 13:16

Choux · 16/09/2025 12:58

You have been very fortunate to have had the Christmas that you want ie hosting every year for 30 plus years. As children get into serious relationships they often naturally start to alternate Christmas between each of families so that phase of your continuous hosting is likely over. The argument with your son’s girlfriend is the real issue.

She may not be very nice but your son needs to work this out for himself. You arguing with her at Easter and telling him she was arrogant gives her reason to refuse to be around you. Right now he is loyal to her but she has had a least one big bust up with him. If she has no one to limit her opinions and constant access to funds she will become more unpalatable and he will see her true colours. You need to play the long game, keep your opinions to yourself, try to host a nice dinner in November for everyone including your DD and DGC as an alternative and wish them great snow for their Christmas ski trip.

Perhaps the sons have seen their mother’s true colours and finds them unpalatable? Or does that only work one way?

Is someone supposed to ‘limit her opinions’? She’s not a dog that needs to be brought to heel.

Nor is she some manipulative succubus that has the hapless sons under her control (thus taking it from the person it truly belongs to - their mother), hiding her true self in order to do so. The sons have precisely the same amount of agency as she and OP do, and the fact that they’ve made decisions OP doesn’t like does not mean they’re being controlled. OP not in a battle for souls here, and this isn’t a ‘game’ she’s competing to win.

The girlfriend in all likelihood is a perfectly fine person, she just clashes with OP.

ToKittyornottoKitty · 16/09/2025 13:16

Brazien · 16/09/2025 13:06

If DS does propose I’ll be keen to see how their relationship evolves. They had a massive spat in January and broke up for 2 weeks and in that moment he expressed a lot of upset about aspects of their relationship, but they were back together before Valentine’s Day and went off on another holiday together.

And now he will probably never confide in you again because you’ve used it against him to insult the person he loves. It is 100% your own fault they don’t want to spend Christmas with you.

Choux · 16/09/2025 13:17

Brazien · 16/09/2025 13:06

If DS does propose I’ll be keen to see how their relationship evolves. They had a massive spat in January and broke up for 2 weeks and in that moment he expressed a lot of upset about aspects of their relationship, but they were back together before Valentine’s Day and went off on another holiday together.

It sounds like he likes her lifestyle. Does she use her daddy’s money to pay for your son’s holidays?

Proposing and ‘settling down’ might be such a bourgeois thing in her mind that she turns down the proposal. But keep that hope to yourself!

Goditsmemargaret · 16/09/2025 13:17

They are being really unkind. I'm shocked. Where did they learn to behave like this? Your words about the girlfriend were honestly really harsh. Are you a kind person OP? Or are you more concerned with being right? Serious questions - I don't mean to be goady.

Aside from all that OP I would be gutted in your shoes. I feel for you but there's not much you can do. Don't guilt them further. Apologise once sincerely to your son and his girlfriend. Don't mention Christmas and book yourself onto a cruise.

gannett · 16/09/2025 13:18

JHound · 16/09/2025 13:15

Why not?

The son was the moron who went and told his GF leading to her not wanting to spend Christmas with the mother.

The more I read the more I am convinced the son is not too bright.

Telling his mother about his GFs coke habit and telling his GF his mother’s views of her.

Moron.

The mom should have shown tact in her views of the son’s girlfriend but the son was stupid in running and telling his girlfriend.

Edited

I imagine he was also upset at hearing those things said about his girlfriend, and he himself didn't want to spend Xmas with the person who said them.

thepariscrimefiles · 16/09/2025 13:18

Brazien · 16/09/2025 13:02

I spoke to my DD this morning, not to encroach on her Christmas plans but just to discuss what had happened. I believe she must have spoken to her brothers as DS1 messaged me not very long ago saying
“Can I just clarify xxx isn’t upset because of the conversations at Easter, she enjoyed the debate and liked hearing your perspective. She is upset because you told me, DS2 and DD that she was arrogant, self indulgent, reckless and had an inflated sense of self”.

While I probably shouldn’t have said those things about her out loud, why on earth would he run and tell her if he was trying to keep peace!

Oh dear! I wouldn't want to spend Christmas, or any time really, with someone who had said those things about me.

It's very clear where your son's loyalties lie. Now you know what DS1 told her, are you going to contact her to apologise?

Silvers11 · 16/09/2025 13:19

DS1 messaged me not very long ago saying
“Can I just clarify xxx isn’t upset because of the conversations at Easter, she enjoyed the debate and liked hearing your perspective. She is upset because you told me, DS2 and DD that she was arrogant, self indulgent, reckless and had an inflated sense of self”.
While I probably shouldn’t have said those things about her out loud, why on earth would he run and tell her if he was trying to keep peace!

Well your Son has a lot to answer for in this case. That was shit-stirring with a vengeance. However you also will have upset him by saying that to him and he'd be very upset - maybe he even only threw that in if he was having an argument with her - my Mum thinks............. I have a daughter who would certainly do that if she was having an argument with anyone. I kept my mouth well and truly shut if I had negative thoughts about anyone close to her. Still do on occasion, but much less so than when she was a lot younger.

I'm not sure that this will ever be properly repaired, but as a start you need to be very, very apologetic, say you were completely out of order, that you shouldn't have said any such thing, that you were being very judgemental and you don't really know why and ask if you can start again. You need to say that directly to his Girlfriend too, not via your son. And you still need to make plans for your own Christmas and wish them a good Holiday without any more mention of how sad you feel to be on your own.

Isthisreasonable · 16/09/2025 13:20

You never let your dc experience Xmas with their DF growing up? That is really unkind and the type of attitude that stores up resentment over the years. You might think that your xmases are far better than XH's but that is your opinion and might not be your dc's opinion now they are adults.

You don't want to be in a situation where your dc are having conversations between themselves about which one of them is going to take one for the team and spend Xmas with you.

Most divorced parents are well versed in how to spend Xmas on their own, but you've missed out on that so it's bound to be harder to cope with.

Some charities get overwhelmed with people who want to volunteer at Xmas but not the rest of the year, so don't worry if you find a volunteer Xmas slot difficult to find. Do try and either spend it with willing friends/neighbours or go away on a trip. If all else fails have a day doing what you please and don't contact your dc to guilt trip them.

JHound · 16/09/2025 13:21

gannett · 16/09/2025 13:18

I imagine he was also upset at hearing those things said about his girlfriend, and he himself didn't want to spend Xmas with the person who said them.

Which still does not explain him running back to GF to share what was said.

He also needs to grow a pair. Your mother does not like your GFs attitude and expressed that.

So?

Catpiece · 16/09/2025 13:21

fastingforweightloss · 16/09/2025 13:03

Yes, yes, ........us silly older mothers who have raised children to adulthood, should just .......nod along, nod along, nod long.....

For fucks sake - you CANNOT be serious? My kids have had partners from when I was in my 40's. Are you honestly suggesting that from 45 to 85, I have to nod along? For FORTY years?

FUCK ME.

It’s ok to challenge views you disagree with, of course it is but you also need to bear in mind that your DC has chosen a certain partner and is unlikely to welcome any obvious attempt at undermining or aggression whilst you state your opinions. The OP has obviously taken a dislike to the gf. Now she’ll have to suck up the consequences

Rosscameasdoody · 16/09/2025 13:23

Glowingup · 16/09/2025 13:13

“VILE” “bar on the floor” etc etc. What about the vile way the OP spoke about the son’s girlfriend? I’d not give a shit about someone who spoke about my partner like that. It’s very telling that none of the kids are on the mums side.

Why did her son run and tell her ? At the beginning of the year he was pulling GF to bits to his mum. And OP didn’t want to take part in the debate anyway. Why did he encourage it if he knew their views would be very different. ? He sounds immature at best.

VickyEadieofThigh · 16/09/2025 13:23

Once again (for these threads), I strongly suspect there's a massive backstory and we're only hearing a fragment - and from one side of the issue only.

BuckChuckets · 16/09/2025 13:23

Brazien · 16/09/2025 00:23

Gosh it covered all sorts, gender ideology, immigration, Palestine, Brexit, cultural integration following immigration etc. Then spiralled into her effectively saying soldiers are no better than murderers if the government who controls them are corrupt and into philosophy of moral relativism, modern warfare and her finishing her whole rant with “I’d rather go to hell than heaven if heaven is bound to the same rules Christian’s are” knowing full well I had just been to church!

She sounds great, I'd be delighted if my DS had a partner who was passionate about politics and social issues. I'm guessing your on the Farage/Rowling team? I'd suggest that your sons' politics are aligned with her, rather than you, and they've been able to use this as an excuse to do their own thing this year.

mollyminniemo · 16/09/2025 13:23

His girlfriend sounds awful. Of course a Mother who loves her own kids should be able to express to their own child is seeing somebody with huge red flags and negative personality traits/standards of behaviour very strong instinct warns you they are wrong for your child. Why on earth is there a suggestion we should tiptoe around our own kids and not be frank and honest with them? I think it's sad, especially given your love of Christmas not to share it with your children but I would step back fully for a while now. Take a breather from your son. Don't contact him. Hopefully with some space he can do some self reflection and hopefully come to his senses.

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