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I will be spending Christmas alone and my children do not care

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Brazien · 15/09/2025 23:34

Hello,

I have 3 adult children, my eldest DD is 31, she is married and has a gorgeous little boy who is 11 months old. They spent last Christmas with me and DD already made it clear they would be doing one Christmas with us and another with her husbands family which is obviously totally fine and understandable. My next child is my DS who is 27 and then my youngest DS who is 25.

I would say I generally have a very positive relationship with all of my children, we talk relatively frequently and haven’t until now had a large falling out, they haven’t ever raised any issues with me in terms of our relationship and have historically initiated and planned visits. I am divorced and have been for many years, I have no close relatives as both of my parents have passed away and my only brother lives in Australia.

I absolutely love hosting Christmas, it is the highlight of my year. When my children’s father and I divorced we actually agreed he would get Boxing Day and New Years Eve (our children were still small when I got divorced) in exchange for me getting Christmas as it matters so much to me. I have hosted Christmas every year since I got married at 23, I never complain about hosting or resent doing this, like I said it’s the highlight of my year. As my children have grown it has of course meant some years I’ve had all of them home and others just one but never have they left me alone for Christmas and I’d actually say they have instead made quite a bit of effort between themselves to ensure someone is always around to spend Christmas with me.

Tonight I was added to a group text message chat, it included myself, both of my DS and their respective partners. DS1 has been with his girlfriend for about a year and a half, DS2 has been with his boyfriend for a year. My eldest son then sent a message, I’ll paraphrase but it effectively said that due to my attitude and opinions in regards to his girlfriend he will not be spending Christmas with me this year as he would like to spend it with her and refuses to expose her to my “inflammatory” opinions. He said he his brother and their partners have all booked to go skiing/snowboarding instead. They then all left the group message chat before I was able to reply.

First of all, this is not a way in which my son would ever normally speak to me, it was very defensive and accusatory in tone. Second of all, the opinions he is referring to are from a conversation I had with him following a large family get together for Easter. She is 24, French and seems to have an extremely elevated ego and level of confidence that borders on arrogance. I know she has a poor relationship with her own father (her mother has passed) but he none the less funds her life which consists entirely of expensive pastimes (snowboarding, tennis, concerts) and seemingly getting drunk, using drugs and partying.

At Easter she mentioned politics, which isn’t something I’d be keen to talk about over a family meal normally but my DS said that if we can’t have a friendly debate then we seal ourselves into an echo chamber of our own beliefs. She was totally unwilling to hear me out, and kept citing her multilingual abilities, degree and “travels” as reason she clearly knew much better than I, about politics, in Britain, a country she has only lived in for about 2 years. I shut the conversation down and said this is clearly unproductive. I then told my son afterwards that I had found her attitude to be filled with arrogance. She has also blank out refused to attend my nephews wedding as it was in a church and my DD told me that soon after she gave birth she said to her “if you ever want to play tennis or go to Pilates I will go with you; I’m sure you’re dying to shed the baby weight”. DD found this quite upsetting at the time but DS refused to call her out for it.

In terms of Christmas, both of my DS had said they would be spending this year with me, DS1 did not spend last year with me but DS2 did. I was looking forward to this and despite my dislikes of his girlfriend’s attitude, I made it clear she was also invited, as was DS2s boyfriend.

I called DS1 after the message in the group message chat and explained that I had never meant to cause offence to his girlfriend or to him for that matter and only ever shared opinions as she has always seemed so keen to be forthcoming with her own. I told him that I would be spending Christmas alone and I found that very upsetting and asked him to reconsider, I also offered to cover any costs associated with rescheduling their trip. He told me quite plainly it is not his problem that I would be alone and that he felt like I did not approve of his girlfriend and would never approve of him dating someone “intelligent, gorgeous and cultured” as it would make me “insecure”. Again this is never a way he has spoken to me before. He then hung up.

I then called DS2 who said that he was sorry I would be alone but he feels they’ve given me enough time to make other arrangements and that he feels that his brother is right that I clearly don’t like his girlfriend and he wants to show a stand of support to his brother and his girlfriend who he said he thinks is brilliant. He claimed I only don’t like her as she doesn’t conform to my expectations of a polite “basic” girl who just wants to get married and go on family holidays every year.

While I would say I don’t massively like her, I’m an adult and totally capable of being perfectly civil towards her. More so the reasons I don’t like her have nothing to do with her beliefs but her sheer arrogance, ego and reckless lifestyle, funded entirely by her father.

AIBU to be quite upset by this and to believe this is most likely coming from his girlfriend? How should I approach this going forward?

OP posts:
Catpiece · 16/09/2025 13:24

VickyEadieofThigh · 16/09/2025 13:23

Once again (for these threads), I strongly suspect there's a massive backstory and we're only hearing a fragment - and from one side of the issue only.

Yep. Dysfunctional family where the mater likes to be the centre of attention and no girl would be good enough

whistlesandbells · 16/09/2025 13:24

I don’t know why you have mentioned your divorce, the ex-husband and a custody arrangement that has long lapsed for 3 adult children who can spend Xmas how they like as adults.

Your children are in their twenties and this is now their time to do as they please for Xmas. Perhaps when they have children (your grandchildren) it is more likely they will resume “family Xmas”. Meanwhile, this is your time to enjoy “adult Xmas” - book a holiday as another poster suggested.

How you approached your son’s girlfriend is now coming back to haunt you. You should have kept your mouth shut because this is how it goes with adult children, in law dynamics and basically adult kids flying the nest.

Millytante · 16/09/2025 13:24

fastingforweightloss · 16/09/2025 13:03

Yes, yes, ........us silly older mothers who have raised children to adulthood, should just .......nod along, nod along, nod long.....

For fucks sake - you CANNOT be serious? My kids have had partners from when I was in my 40's. Are you honestly suggesting that from 45 to 85, I have to nod along? For FORTY years?

FUCK ME.

Get a grip. It’s just that energetic argument over very hot subjects with the partners of adult offspring isn’t recommended until that relationship is well entrenched within the broad family, where GF has become de facto DIL and a much more familiar and elastic relationship exists with her.

Until you both know you can make some allowances for each other, in kindness, you’re on a hiding to nothing with heated debate.
You may still have reservations about her but you’ll have developed the knack of putting them aside and behaving with self control, in this rôle of matriarch that’s being emphasised.
No nodding required, just the demonstration of wisdom gained over the years.

BuckChuckets · 16/09/2025 13:25

Brazien · 16/09/2025 13:02

I spoke to my DD this morning, not to encroach on her Christmas plans but just to discuss what had happened. I believe she must have spoken to her brothers as DS1 messaged me not very long ago saying
“Can I just clarify xxx isn’t upset because of the conversations at Easter, she enjoyed the debate and liked hearing your perspective. She is upset because you told me, DS2 and DD that she was arrogant, self indulgent, reckless and had an inflated sense of self”.

While I probably shouldn’t have said those things about her out loud, why on earth would he run and tell her if he was trying to keep peace!

Oh dear oh dear

Catpiece · 16/09/2025 13:25

Millytante · 16/09/2025 13:24

Get a grip. It’s just that energetic argument over very hot subjects with the partners of adult offspring isn’t recommended until that relationship is well entrenched within the broad family, where GF has become de facto DIL and a much more familiar and elastic relationship exists with her.

Until you both know you can make some allowances for each other, in kindness, you’re on a hiding to nothing with heated debate.
You may still have reservations about her but you’ll have developed the knack of putting them aside and behaving with self control, in this rôle of matriarch that’s being emphasised.
No nodding required, just the demonstration of wisdom gained over the years.

Thank you

Trendyname · 16/09/2025 13:25

BourgeoisBabe · 15/09/2025 23:49

Have you imagined your children will spend Christmas with you for the rest of your life? You need to sort your own plans fur Christmas in my view.

I agree with this. Volunteer on the day or go on a vacation.
I know some overconfident people who think they know better than others to sympathise with you for your son’s girlfriend wanted to debate politics and then taking over. It’s rude m. But he is besotted with her and won’t take any criticism against her. But it’s his life and he has a right to decide what he wants to do over holidays.
Calling other women ‘basic’ clearly shows arrogance on part of your younger son. your older son’s girl friend sounds arrogant telling your daughter that she would want to lose weight, and you that she knows better because she speaks 3 languages and world travelled.

But your son is happy with her, so you should not say anything further to him.

I think it was very controlling to leave immediately from group chat after saying their bit without giving you a chance to speak. I have dealt with such arrogant and self righteous people to know you could never win with them.

Let them enjoy their lives and you find your interest and friendships to make you happy. In any case, it’s not good to expect your children to make you happy.

MikeRafone · 16/09/2025 13:26

Rosscameasdoody · 16/09/2025 13:23

Why did her son run and tell her ? At the beginning of the year he was pulling GF to bits to his mum. And OP didn’t want to take part in the debate anyway. Why did he encourage it if he knew their views would be very different. ? He sounds immature at best.

It was the ds who gave his mother all the information (drugs, & lifestyle) when they fell out for 2 weeks. Yes she could have kept his mouth shut (certainly not said anything to the other siblings) but the son gave his mother the ammunition about his girl - it was nothing he didn't already know about her as he spilt the beans

Rosscameasdoody · 16/09/2025 13:26

JHound · 16/09/2025 13:21

Which still does not explain him running back to GF to share what was said.

He also needs to grow a pair. Your mother does not like your GFs attitude and expressed that.

So?

This. He’s also gone running to OP with tales about his GF. And it was he who encouraged the debate that caused the trouble in the first place. OP didn’t want to get into it. He needs to grow up and stop shoving white powder up his nose - it’s clearly affecting his thinking.

CarrotVan · 16/09/2025 13:26

If you respond to your son with something like this then you might be able to salvage things

x is right to be upset about that. I was totally in the wrong and I am really sorry - please tell her that. I hope you all have a great holiday and hope we can find a way past this. I would really like to get to know the person you love because if you love her she must be very special.

RaffiaworkAttachment · 16/09/2025 13:26

Brazien · 16/09/2025 12:37

I think it’s quite unlikely she is going anywhere any time soon, my DD has told me this morning that the last time she was talking to DS1 he mentioned wanting to propose!

Ooofe. What a bummer! She sounds frightful!

GreenFrogYellow · 16/09/2025 13:27

Your son told her because he cares more about her than you and doesn’t want to keep things from her.
You sound similar to my own mother. Your main issue is huge lack of insight.

everythingthelighttouches · 16/09/2025 13:27

@Brazien Ok, I have read your two most recent replies.

You need to put a stop to all the channels of chat going back and forth now with the other siblings. It’s going to turn into a terrible gossip session and get out of control.

Stop bring in your dd into it. Don’t slag off the girlfriend to all the siblings.

Your last reply about “I’ll be interested to see how..” sounds a bit spiteful and a bit gleeful of anything that goes wrong. It doesn’t sound like a nice person of the person you want to be.

I’m sure you’re feeling wounded but try to pull yourself out of it a bit because that feeling will be obvious when you speak to anyone.

Look, none of us are perfect and I for one would not be happy if my DS was in a relationship with someone who did cocaine, at all. I’m sure this is all hard for you right now, but what do you think of the many helpful suggestions to go away this year?

Catpiece · 16/09/2025 13:27

Brazien · 16/09/2025 13:02

I spoke to my DD this morning, not to encroach on her Christmas plans but just to discuss what had happened. I believe she must have spoken to her brothers as DS1 messaged me not very long ago saying
“Can I just clarify xxx isn’t upset because of the conversations at Easter, she enjoyed the debate and liked hearing your perspective. She is upset because you told me, DS2 and DD that she was arrogant, self indulgent, reckless and had an inflated sense of self”.

While I probably shouldn’t have said those things about her out loud, why on earth would he run and tell her if he was trying to keep peace!

You’re lucky your offspring contact you at all.

Rosscameasdoody · 16/09/2025 13:28

GreenFrogYellow · 16/09/2025 13:27

Your son told her because he cares more about her than you and doesn’t want to keep things from her.
You sound similar to my own mother. Your main issue is huge lack of insight.

If he doesn’t want to keep things from GF then do you not think he needs to also be honest about the things he said to OP about her ?

CarrotVan · 16/09/2025 13:29

Perhaps he has been. How would we know?

BilbaoBaggage · 16/09/2025 13:29

Brazien · 16/09/2025 13:02

I spoke to my DD this morning, not to encroach on her Christmas plans but just to discuss what had happened. I believe she must have spoken to her brothers as DS1 messaged me not very long ago saying
“Can I just clarify xxx isn’t upset because of the conversations at Easter, she enjoyed the debate and liked hearing your perspective. She is upset because you told me, DS2 and DD that she was arrogant, self indulgent, reckless and had an inflated sense of self”.

While I probably shouldn’t have said those things about her out loud, why on earth would he run and tell her if he was trying to keep peace!

You told all three of your kids how much you dislike one of their partners. Oh dear gods. The others will now be sitting waiting for you to spew similar bile about their partners. Or at least wondering if you harbour similar disgust about them.

In the wake of a fight with his girlfriend, your son briefly split from her and offloaded his emotions onto you. You seized that opportunity to completely character assassinate her. Presumably they have worked through their fight to decide to get back together.

I am only surprised that you are surprised that he told the most important woman in his life what had been said about her. And that having said those things, which were deeply unpleasant, you are surprised he and she don't want to spend time with you.

Gonners · 16/09/2025 13:30

@fastingforweightloss "how many of you have left your mother ALONE on Christmas Day?
I saw one person that said they did. Anyone else?"

Yes, me. Feel free to judge.

KingJanie · 16/09/2025 13:31

The girlfriend sounds dreadful.

But your son seems to think she's amazing so you have a problem.

Right now I think the pragmatic thing to do is quietly accept their Christmas plans and don't mention it again. Make some plans to have as nice a time as you can on your own.

And then hope and pray your son comes back to wanting a positive relationship with you.

It's going to be hard if they stay together and really it's up to your son to manage his relationship with you both but lots of men take an easier road and just go along with the demands of a girlfriend or wife.

You need to make it easy for him to have a relationship with you.

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 16/09/2025 13:32

She is upset because you told me, DS2 and DD that she was arrogant, self indulgent, reckless and had an inflated sense of self”.
While I probably shouldn’t have said those things about her out loud, why on earth would he run and tell her if he was trying to keep peace!

Are you sure he did and it wasn't one of the others or that it didn't just slip out rather than running and telling her.

Frankly bitching to your kids about one of their DP was always going to get out and turn nasty - if you do it to her other two are likely wondering if you do it about their partners.

I think if you had concerns about her or their relationships there were better less inflamatory ways of expressing that.

Also I'm not sure that easy to come back from - not saying it to her directly to her but character assination behind her back - I think time may well be your best bet there.

Worriedalltheday · 16/09/2025 13:32

GetOffMyLan · 16/09/2025 01:20

Take their inheritance money and book yourself a super lavish, Christmas holiday.

This. He has been an utter vile arsehole for the way he delivered this message. He humiliated you in front of the family and let his gf know that she can treat you the same. You may have overstepped BUT there is a way to treat your parents.

i would leave it op. Let him carry on with her. She will treat him the same.

KatSlayMoon · 16/09/2025 13:33

NotToday1l · 16/09/2025 13:14

While I probably shouldn’t have said those things about her out loud, why on earth would he run and tell her if he was trying to keep peace

Agree….silly nonsense, he told his partner something that he knew would upset her

I’d want to know if my partner’s mother thought those things about me because I wouldn’t want to be spending time with someone who thought those things.

Franpie · 16/09/2025 13:33

Brazien · 16/09/2025 13:02

I spoke to my DD this morning, not to encroach on her Christmas plans but just to discuss what had happened. I believe she must have spoken to her brothers as DS1 messaged me not very long ago saying
“Can I just clarify xxx isn’t upset because of the conversations at Easter, she enjoyed the debate and liked hearing your perspective. She is upset because you told me, DS2 and DD that she was arrogant, self indulgent, reckless and had an inflated sense of self”.

While I probably shouldn’t have said those things about her out loud, why on earth would he run and tell her if he was trying to keep peace!

Oh my. I can’t believe you have slagged this girl off to your whole family. And why? Just because she is different to you? Not good enough.

You’ve made your bed I’m afraid.

mollyminniemo · 16/09/2025 13:34

I really would not take the advice to be grovelling and apologise to him or his partner. You said these things in confidence to your own son, at a time he was doubting their relationship too. Its massively S stirring as others have said. Apologise to someone with her very negative personality traits, hugely arrogant/entitled/self obsessed and you make her even more smug and sure of herself. It is also setting a dangerous precedent for your relationship dynamic going forwards. She as the partner coming in to a family should have shown you a lot more respect. Back off. Don't contact for a while. I would 100% take others suggestions of either visiting brother in Australia if that's an option or volunteering for a charity on Christmas Day.

BourgeoisBabe · 16/09/2025 13:34

I believe parents should keep their own counsel about what they think of children's partner, barring outright abusive behaviours. A child will generally choose a partner over a parent. So commenting is a ticket to losing contact. Say as little as possible, keep avenues open, mind your own business. That's my view anyway.

KingJanie · 16/09/2025 13:35

KatSlayMoon · 16/09/2025 13:33

I’d want to know if my partner’s mother thought those things about me because I wouldn’t want to be spending time with someone who thought those things.

100% guarantee the girlfriend is also slagging the mum off behind her back too.

It's only the mother who is expected to never utter a negative word on the threat of being cut out.

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