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I will be spending Christmas alone and my children do not care

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Brazien · 15/09/2025 23:34

Hello,

I have 3 adult children, my eldest DD is 31, she is married and has a gorgeous little boy who is 11 months old. They spent last Christmas with me and DD already made it clear they would be doing one Christmas with us and another with her husbands family which is obviously totally fine and understandable. My next child is my DS who is 27 and then my youngest DS who is 25.

I would say I generally have a very positive relationship with all of my children, we talk relatively frequently and haven’t until now had a large falling out, they haven’t ever raised any issues with me in terms of our relationship and have historically initiated and planned visits. I am divorced and have been for many years, I have no close relatives as both of my parents have passed away and my only brother lives in Australia.

I absolutely love hosting Christmas, it is the highlight of my year. When my children’s father and I divorced we actually agreed he would get Boxing Day and New Years Eve (our children were still small when I got divorced) in exchange for me getting Christmas as it matters so much to me. I have hosted Christmas every year since I got married at 23, I never complain about hosting or resent doing this, like I said it’s the highlight of my year. As my children have grown it has of course meant some years I’ve had all of them home and others just one but never have they left me alone for Christmas and I’d actually say they have instead made quite a bit of effort between themselves to ensure someone is always around to spend Christmas with me.

Tonight I was added to a group text message chat, it included myself, both of my DS and their respective partners. DS1 has been with his girlfriend for about a year and a half, DS2 has been with his boyfriend for a year. My eldest son then sent a message, I’ll paraphrase but it effectively said that due to my attitude and opinions in regards to his girlfriend he will not be spending Christmas with me this year as he would like to spend it with her and refuses to expose her to my “inflammatory” opinions. He said he his brother and their partners have all booked to go skiing/snowboarding instead. They then all left the group message chat before I was able to reply.

First of all, this is not a way in which my son would ever normally speak to me, it was very defensive and accusatory in tone. Second of all, the opinions he is referring to are from a conversation I had with him following a large family get together for Easter. She is 24, French and seems to have an extremely elevated ego and level of confidence that borders on arrogance. I know she has a poor relationship with her own father (her mother has passed) but he none the less funds her life which consists entirely of expensive pastimes (snowboarding, tennis, concerts) and seemingly getting drunk, using drugs and partying.

At Easter she mentioned politics, which isn’t something I’d be keen to talk about over a family meal normally but my DS said that if we can’t have a friendly debate then we seal ourselves into an echo chamber of our own beliefs. She was totally unwilling to hear me out, and kept citing her multilingual abilities, degree and “travels” as reason she clearly knew much better than I, about politics, in Britain, a country she has only lived in for about 2 years. I shut the conversation down and said this is clearly unproductive. I then told my son afterwards that I had found her attitude to be filled with arrogance. She has also blank out refused to attend my nephews wedding as it was in a church and my DD told me that soon after she gave birth she said to her “if you ever want to play tennis or go to Pilates I will go with you; I’m sure you’re dying to shed the baby weight”. DD found this quite upsetting at the time but DS refused to call her out for it.

In terms of Christmas, both of my DS had said they would be spending this year with me, DS1 did not spend last year with me but DS2 did. I was looking forward to this and despite my dislikes of his girlfriend’s attitude, I made it clear she was also invited, as was DS2s boyfriend.

I called DS1 after the message in the group message chat and explained that I had never meant to cause offence to his girlfriend or to him for that matter and only ever shared opinions as she has always seemed so keen to be forthcoming with her own. I told him that I would be spending Christmas alone and I found that very upsetting and asked him to reconsider, I also offered to cover any costs associated with rescheduling their trip. He told me quite plainly it is not his problem that I would be alone and that he felt like I did not approve of his girlfriend and would never approve of him dating someone “intelligent, gorgeous and cultured” as it would make me “insecure”. Again this is never a way he has spoken to me before. He then hung up.

I then called DS2 who said that he was sorry I would be alone but he feels they’ve given me enough time to make other arrangements and that he feels that his brother is right that I clearly don’t like his girlfriend and he wants to show a stand of support to his brother and his girlfriend who he said he thinks is brilliant. He claimed I only don’t like her as she doesn’t conform to my expectations of a polite “basic” girl who just wants to get married and go on family holidays every year.

While I would say I don’t massively like her, I’m an adult and totally capable of being perfectly civil towards her. More so the reasons I don’t like her have nothing to do with her beliefs but her sheer arrogance, ego and reckless lifestyle, funded entirely by her father.

AIBU to be quite upset by this and to believe this is most likely coming from his girlfriend? How should I approach this going forward?

OP posts:
Shewasafaireh · 16/09/2025 12:53

@Salome61 i honestly don’t think she should apologised if all they did have in fact were different opinions, really

NatalieW1907 · 16/09/2025 12:53

I have, like millions, spent Xmas on my own after a violent relationship and selfish family. It isn't the end of the world, give your family space to see your their mother. You will survive trust me but opinions are dangerous around your sons girlfriend she is holding all the cards.

looselegs · 16/09/2025 12:55

Brazien · 15/09/2025 23:44

No you are right, I probably should have kept my mouth shut on my opinions in regards to his girlfriend but at the time I was incredibly angered by her attitude and as she had been so forthcoming with her own opinions, I took a chance. Upon reflection that was rather shortsighted of me.

At the end of the day if someone pushes their opinion onto you, then why shouldn't you give them your opinion? Most people would!
I think it's unfair that your other children have taken their side without hearing your point of view.

LakesLovely123 · 16/09/2025 12:56

You're not really entitled to have your children keeping you company each Christmas.

It actually comes across that you've got pretty outdated ideas as to how a woman should share her opinions. She sounds intelligent.

It used to be that people from opposing areas on the political spectrum could discuss things but now anyone liberal gets labelled a 'leftie loon' and the 'right' an entitled gammon/boomer. There's a lot to say for how divisive politics in the UK has become.

If she's going to be in your sons life longterm you need to start questioning your opinions and how you treat others. Otherwise it's not going to just be a next Christmas issue but a relationship with your son issue.

Noaparkday · 16/09/2025 12:57

Funningitup · 16/09/2025 11:50

Take control the only way left. Smile broadly and apologise while acknowledging that you were a bit taken back but have, on reflection, found her bright and beautiful and great fun. Lie. Say you were a bit shocked at the WhatsApp but of course you hope they have a good time. You will be fine and have already made plans (you can do this and at some point we’re always going to need to as no one adult gets to chose where all the other adults go for Christmas) Bung them all a wodge of cash and tell them to have some drinks on you. That you love them, miss them and hope to catch up in the new year - preferably with everyone - children, grandchildren and girlfriends etc

I think this is the easiest way to smooth things over in the short term. But as I've previously stop being taken for granted too. Moving forward have a mutually beneficial relationship with them as fellow adults. See them when you're free, if things go wrong with a partner be a shoulder to cry on but don't drop everything for them. You can love them whilst also having a new chapter in your own life that comes first.

Noaparkday · 16/09/2025 12:57

Edited to delete repeated post.

CinnamonBuns67 · 16/09/2025 12:58

Yabu. They have given you more that 3 months notice to make alternative plans, that is plenty of time. See if any friends are also alone Christmas day, ask your DD's MIL if it'd be alright to have Christmas dinner with them, my mum spends Christmas with my sister and her in laws every year so they might be open to that (assuming tou get on with them.

Your sons want to spend Christmas on holiday with their respective partners. Just because your sons wants and opinions don't align with yours doesn't mean it's coming from his girlfriend either. They're adults and they are entitled to spend Christmas as they choose.

Choux · 16/09/2025 12:58

You have been very fortunate to have had the Christmas that you want ie hosting every year for 30 plus years. As children get into serious relationships they often naturally start to alternate Christmas between each of families so that phase of your continuous hosting is likely over. The argument with your son’s girlfriend is the real issue.

She may not be very nice but your son needs to work this out for himself. You arguing with her at Easter and telling him she was arrogant gives her reason to refuse to be around you. Right now he is loyal to her but she has had a least one big bust up with him. If she has no one to limit her opinions and constant access to funds she will become more unpalatable and he will see her true colours. You need to play the long game, keep your opinions to yourself, try to host a nice dinner in November for everyone including your DD and DGC as an alternative and wish them great snow for their Christmas ski trip.

Differentforgirls · 16/09/2025 12:58

Thefirstdelicious · 16/09/2025 11:44

@terrafirma2025 i can not imagine how horrific your own relationship history with your family, maybe your own children, that would result in that post being spat out on this thread.

It was shocking.

HarrietBond · 16/09/2025 13:00

Pragmatically, in families, getting along with each other often involves swallowing feelings, taking deep breaths, and apologising for thing that aren't worth dying on a hill for. I find the shower very therapeutic for all the things I haven't said out loud over the years. But there just isn't room for total honesty most of the time.

CoffeeCantata · 16/09/2025 13:00

viques · 16/09/2025 12:09

Thread alert! Dr Freud in the house. 🤓

Pot, kettle?

YourWildAmberSloth · 16/09/2025 13:00

I think your son is right when he says that they have given you a lot a notice. Personally I would use the time to plan an alternative Christmas, travelling (maybe visit your brother and his family in Australia), or somewhere else, volunteering, or even just planning a special day at home. Do you have friends who might want to join you?

Brazien · 16/09/2025 13:02

I spoke to my DD this morning, not to encroach on her Christmas plans but just to discuss what had happened. I believe she must have spoken to her brothers as DS1 messaged me not very long ago saying
“Can I just clarify xxx isn’t upset because of the conversations at Easter, she enjoyed the debate and liked hearing your perspective. She is upset because you told me, DS2 and DD that she was arrogant, self indulgent, reckless and had an inflated sense of self”.

While I probably shouldn’t have said those things about her out loud, why on earth would he run and tell her if he was trying to keep peace!

OP posts:
MikeRafone · 16/09/2025 13:03

It’s clear from post you don’t like the gf and she doesn’t like you

I wonder is your ds admitted that he had told you stuff abut her when they broke up/had the big falling out

I know a couple and the brother was going to leave the wife - every night he went to his brothers house complaining about his wife and telling them lots of information about the wife

now the brother end up giving an ultimatum to the wife, she took the ultimatum and stayed - now the brother doesn't talk to the brother and sister in law as they know to much about his wife and it makes him uncomfortable

fastingforweightloss · 16/09/2025 13:03

Catpiece · 16/09/2025 10:17

Oh dear. Wouldn’t it have been so much easier and more civil to nod along with the son and new gf and keep your thoughts and opinions to yourself. If you want a relationship with your DC once they find partners you have to take a bit of a back seat I’m afraid. You’ve brought them up now let them choose who they want to be with. Sounds like you’ve shot yourself in both feet.

Yes, yes, ........us silly older mothers who have raised children to adulthood, should just .......nod along, nod along, nod long.....

For fucks sake - you CANNOT be serious? My kids have had partners from when I was in my 40's. Are you honestly suggesting that from 45 to 85, I have to nod along? For FORTY years?

FUCK ME.

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 16/09/2025 13:03

Brazien · 16/09/2025 12:37

I think it’s quite unlikely she is going anywhere any time soon, my DD has told me this morning that the last time she was talking to DS1 he mentioned wanting to propose!

Blimey, good luck with that relationship 😳

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 16/09/2025 13:04

Brazien · 16/09/2025 12:37

I think it’s quite unlikely she is going anywhere any time soon, my DD has told me this morning that the last time she was talking to DS1 he mentioned wanting to propose!

I'm sorry you're upset @Brazien

Maybe you need to try to build bridges, because if they do decide to get married, it would be a terrible shame if they decided to ban you from the wedding.

JHound · 16/09/2025 13:04

Brazien · 16/09/2025 12:35

I told you in the post you just replied to, he told me when they fell out!

Yep. That’s why I said ignore my question.

I asked before I saw your post explaining.

Differentforgirls · 16/09/2025 13:05

Icreatedausernameyippee · 16/09/2025 12:13

Sounds like your straight son has been pussy-whipped and your gay son is being a spineless knob.
Either way, it sounds like your son's don't particularly like or respect you very much and it sounds like you're trying to make it the girlfriends problem.
The best thing you can do is move forward from this, have a different Christmas this year - there have been plenty of great suggestions up thread - and try to repair your relationships with your son's when the dust has settled.
The way they went about it, dumping you in a group chat and then virtually flouncing was hurtful, don't give them the satisfaction of a massive reaction, which is likely what they're expecting and want. Just hold your dignity and leave them to it this year.

Pussy whipped. 😖

gannett · 16/09/2025 13:05

Brazien · 16/09/2025 13:02

I spoke to my DD this morning, not to encroach on her Christmas plans but just to discuss what had happened. I believe she must have spoken to her brothers as DS1 messaged me not very long ago saying
“Can I just clarify xxx isn’t upset because of the conversations at Easter, she enjoyed the debate and liked hearing your perspective. She is upset because you told me, DS2 and DD that she was arrogant, self indulgent, reckless and had an inflated sense of self”.

While I probably shouldn’t have said those things about her out loud, why on earth would he run and tell her if he was trying to keep peace!

You said those words to your son? About his girlfriend??

I'm surprised you expected anything other than this outcome.

Brazien · 16/09/2025 13:06

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 16/09/2025 13:03

Blimey, good luck with that relationship 😳

If DS does propose I’ll be keen to see how their relationship evolves. They had a massive spat in January and broke up for 2 weeks and in that moment he expressed a lot of upset about aspects of their relationship, but they were back together before Valentine’s Day and went off on another holiday together.

OP posts:
JHound · 16/09/2025 13:06

Brazien · 16/09/2025 13:02

I spoke to my DD this morning, not to encroach on her Christmas plans but just to discuss what had happened. I believe she must have spoken to her brothers as DS1 messaged me not very long ago saying
“Can I just clarify xxx isn’t upset because of the conversations at Easter, she enjoyed the debate and liked hearing your perspective. She is upset because you told me, DS2 and DD that she was arrogant, self indulgent, reckless and had an inflated sense of self”.

While I probably shouldn’t have said those things about her out loud, why on earth would he run and tell her if he was trying to keep peace!

Your son is a bit of a weirdo.

His GF being upset is on him. Only a moron would relay that.

Glowingup · 16/09/2025 13:06

fastingforweightloss · 16/09/2025 13:03

Yes, yes, ........us silly older mothers who have raised children to adulthood, should just .......nod along, nod along, nod long.....

For fucks sake - you CANNOT be serious? My kids have had partners from when I was in my 40's. Are you honestly suggesting that from 45 to 85, I have to nod along? For FORTY years?

FUCK ME.

You can do what you like but don’t expect your child to pick you over their partner and don’t be surprised if you see less of them.

Swiftie1878 · 16/09/2025 13:06

Brazien · 16/09/2025 13:02

I spoke to my DD this morning, not to encroach on her Christmas plans but just to discuss what had happened. I believe she must have spoken to her brothers as DS1 messaged me not very long ago saying
“Can I just clarify xxx isn’t upset because of the conversations at Easter, she enjoyed the debate and liked hearing your perspective. She is upset because you told me, DS2 and DD that she was arrogant, self indulgent, reckless and had an inflated sense of self”.

While I probably shouldn’t have said those things about her out loud, why on earth would he run and tell her if he was trying to keep peace!

Because you upset him too!

fastingforweightloss · 16/09/2025 13:07

And for all the people saying "it's just one day", "you're over reacting" etc, how many of you have left your mother ALONE on Christmas Day?

I saw one person that said they did. Anyone else?

It's a cultural No-No.

Add to that, the utterly VILE way they told her, on whatsapp, with their partners .......and then exiting the chat before Op could reply...well, if this wouldn't offend you, then your bar is on the fucking floor.

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