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I will be spending Christmas alone and my children do not care

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Brazien · 15/09/2025 23:34

Hello,

I have 3 adult children, my eldest DD is 31, she is married and has a gorgeous little boy who is 11 months old. They spent last Christmas with me and DD already made it clear they would be doing one Christmas with us and another with her husbands family which is obviously totally fine and understandable. My next child is my DS who is 27 and then my youngest DS who is 25.

I would say I generally have a very positive relationship with all of my children, we talk relatively frequently and haven’t until now had a large falling out, they haven’t ever raised any issues with me in terms of our relationship and have historically initiated and planned visits. I am divorced and have been for many years, I have no close relatives as both of my parents have passed away and my only brother lives in Australia.

I absolutely love hosting Christmas, it is the highlight of my year. When my children’s father and I divorced we actually agreed he would get Boxing Day and New Years Eve (our children were still small when I got divorced) in exchange for me getting Christmas as it matters so much to me. I have hosted Christmas every year since I got married at 23, I never complain about hosting or resent doing this, like I said it’s the highlight of my year. As my children have grown it has of course meant some years I’ve had all of them home and others just one but never have they left me alone for Christmas and I’d actually say they have instead made quite a bit of effort between themselves to ensure someone is always around to spend Christmas with me.

Tonight I was added to a group text message chat, it included myself, both of my DS and their respective partners. DS1 has been with his girlfriend for about a year and a half, DS2 has been with his boyfriend for a year. My eldest son then sent a message, I’ll paraphrase but it effectively said that due to my attitude and opinions in regards to his girlfriend he will not be spending Christmas with me this year as he would like to spend it with her and refuses to expose her to my “inflammatory” opinions. He said he his brother and their partners have all booked to go skiing/snowboarding instead. They then all left the group message chat before I was able to reply.

First of all, this is not a way in which my son would ever normally speak to me, it was very defensive and accusatory in tone. Second of all, the opinions he is referring to are from a conversation I had with him following a large family get together for Easter. She is 24, French and seems to have an extremely elevated ego and level of confidence that borders on arrogance. I know she has a poor relationship with her own father (her mother has passed) but he none the less funds her life which consists entirely of expensive pastimes (snowboarding, tennis, concerts) and seemingly getting drunk, using drugs and partying.

At Easter she mentioned politics, which isn’t something I’d be keen to talk about over a family meal normally but my DS said that if we can’t have a friendly debate then we seal ourselves into an echo chamber of our own beliefs. She was totally unwilling to hear me out, and kept citing her multilingual abilities, degree and “travels” as reason she clearly knew much better than I, about politics, in Britain, a country she has only lived in for about 2 years. I shut the conversation down and said this is clearly unproductive. I then told my son afterwards that I had found her attitude to be filled with arrogance. She has also blank out refused to attend my nephews wedding as it was in a church and my DD told me that soon after she gave birth she said to her “if you ever want to play tennis or go to Pilates I will go with you; I’m sure you’re dying to shed the baby weight”. DD found this quite upsetting at the time but DS refused to call her out for it.

In terms of Christmas, both of my DS had said they would be spending this year with me, DS1 did not spend last year with me but DS2 did. I was looking forward to this and despite my dislikes of his girlfriend’s attitude, I made it clear she was also invited, as was DS2s boyfriend.

I called DS1 after the message in the group message chat and explained that I had never meant to cause offence to his girlfriend or to him for that matter and only ever shared opinions as she has always seemed so keen to be forthcoming with her own. I told him that I would be spending Christmas alone and I found that very upsetting and asked him to reconsider, I also offered to cover any costs associated with rescheduling their trip. He told me quite plainly it is not his problem that I would be alone and that he felt like I did not approve of his girlfriend and would never approve of him dating someone “intelligent, gorgeous and cultured” as it would make me “insecure”. Again this is never a way he has spoken to me before. He then hung up.

I then called DS2 who said that he was sorry I would be alone but he feels they’ve given me enough time to make other arrangements and that he feels that his brother is right that I clearly don’t like his girlfriend and he wants to show a stand of support to his brother and his girlfriend who he said he thinks is brilliant. He claimed I only don’t like her as she doesn’t conform to my expectations of a polite “basic” girl who just wants to get married and go on family holidays every year.

While I would say I don’t massively like her, I’m an adult and totally capable of being perfectly civil towards her. More so the reasons I don’t like her have nothing to do with her beliefs but her sheer arrogance, ego and reckless lifestyle, funded entirely by her father.

AIBU to be quite upset by this and to believe this is most likely coming from his girlfriend? How should I approach this going forward?

OP posts:
usedtobeaylis · 16/09/2025 12:31

She sounds like she's happy to give her opinions freely but doesn't appreciate anyone else doing so especially if they disagree with her.

However it's kind of Mother 101 that you just keep your mouth shut when it comes to your kids' partners. How your son has reacted is quite predictable. Her lifestyle isn't your concern.

If you want to maintain the relationship you probably just need to swallow it down, reiterate that you meant no offence, and try to keep the lines of communication open. I think they were cowardly how they sent about approaching it with you.

dottydaily · 16/09/2025 12:33

book a nice fancy hotel and spend some time relaxing and unwinding. I don't think i would revisit the Christmas hosting situation again with family. do your own thing this year and genuinely try to enjoy it...

Rituelec · 16/09/2025 12:33

Let them

Seriously. This will only cause you pain.

Go abroad alone, start a new hobby, book a Xmas Christmas lunch, go to a community hub etc etc

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 16/09/2025 12:34

TheYouYouAre · 16/09/2025 11:43

They were very insensitive to break the news to you that way and run from the WhatsApp group immediately.

Although, issues with the gf aside, I do wonder whether this is more to do with your DS's desire to be able to make their own decisions about Christmas for once. During the years as children where they always spent Christmas with you, was there opportunity for them to say 'Actually I'd quite like to see Dad at Christmas next year'? Looking back on their childhood now they are adults, there could possibly be some feeling that they didn't get a choice.

I wonder if they did it via WhatsApp like that because otherwise OP would argue or make them feel too guilty.

Rosesanddaffs · 16/09/2025 12:35

@Brazien I would stuff the lot of them and book a holiday and have a nice slap up meal there and not message them with where you are etc.

Everyone has differences, including myself with my mother but I could never let her spend Christmas alone, it’s just cruel.

Brazien · 16/09/2025 12:35

JHound · 16/09/2025 12:29

Ignore my question on how do you know.

I told you in the post you just replied to, he told me when they fell out!

OP posts:
KatSlayMoon · 16/09/2025 12:37

InterIgnis · 16/09/2025 12:19

I do think that there may have been some truth to what the son said. The girlfriend is from an entirely different cultural and socio economic background to OP, and it isn’t one she can relate to.

This isn’t a ‘local girl’ that will settle down close to OP, and if the relationship lasts then that means her son definitely won’t either. IMO it does read like OP is threatened by someone that she sees as taking her son away and absorbing him into totally different life.

I do think the cultural difference plays a part. I’m from a culture where politics and religion are often the single point of conversation around the dinner table rather than being taboo, and I often have to remind myself not to start such discussions if I’m not with my own family.

Brazien · 16/09/2025 12:37

RaffiaworkAttachment · 16/09/2025 12:16

I wonder if she will even be around at Christmas?

She might see your son as too sycophantic, being as he seems to have dropped his own mother in favour of her. She might lose respect for him or she might see it as a triumph.

I would do nothing and stand back.

Having read this thread, I want to spend Christmas on a cruise looking for the Northern Lights!

I think it’s quite unlikely she is going anywhere any time soon, my DD has told me this morning that the last time she was talking to DS1 he mentioned wanting to propose!

OP posts:
anterenea · 16/09/2025 12:37

Elle est un peu conne non? OP I'm French myself and she sounds insufferable - although I did and still do to some extent espouse similar-ish views, I'd never dream of airing them just for the sake of creating a bit of controversy. You'll hardly ever hear a French person utter the words "I stand corrected";)

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 16/09/2025 12:38

MrsDoubtfire1 · 16/09/2025 12:14

Perhaps older women have lived longer on the planet and see through 'young things'! I can see them coming a mile away and how, because I was one myself and the most arrogant, well educated snob that ever lived. Life smoothed off the jagged edges with things like facing death, dementia, incontinence. They are very sobering when you have to deal with them in your once sophisticated parents. All that intelligence, sophistication, and fun, become a nonsense when reality strikes.

But it's not "who's right, who's wrong" - it's how people are behaving.

Wiser old women would know how to courteously move the conversation on. Dogmatic ones shut people down and try to be top dog.

If OP were sobered and humbled by life, she might recognise that the girlfriend is all puff, and take a more stoic approach?

And, more likely, sometimes we're all wise, sometimes we're not. I have a cousin who is marvellous at handling my dogmatic and forthright mum, but he's also divorced from his wife, so I can't claim that he's perfect at all social situations.

Nextdoormat · 16/09/2025 12:39

Go to Australia or Canada?

wordler · 16/09/2025 12:39

I think the telling thing is the younger brother is in agreement with your son and his girlfriend. So I suspect there’s been more than just this one argument which has made the girlfriend unwelcome.

You sound quite contemptuous about her and her lifestyle in text so I’m sure you’re leaking that in body language and comments when she’s around.

This could be your future DIL and mother of your grandchildren though so you’re better off finding ways to mend fences.

Cakeandusername · 16/09/2025 12:40

Daughter having to spell out to mum that she’d alternate isn’t great, surely you’d realise she wants to do things differently now married with a baby as did you when you were married, you didn’t return to your family home for Christmas from age 23 so it’s hypocritical to expect them all to.
Re reading your post DS1 wasn’t there last year but you had DD/SIL & newborn and DS1 so weren’t bothered. It’s only an issue this year as all 3 have alternative plans.
Definitely do something for you and make best of it. Who knows maybe that will be your preference. Things change eg daughter might have another baby or be pg Christmas 2026 and want to be at home with her little family.

Littlegreenpebbles · 16/09/2025 12:41

I thought it was interesting that your DS said the issue was your inflammatory opinions but when asked more you just outlined the GFs views. There's definitely a disconnect between the stance that both your sons and their partners are taking compared to the level of accountability you are owning here.

Is it possible that you've gotten far too used to sharing your views without debate, caused offence when you "shut down" another adult who is possibly more travelled and better educated on the subject and your sons have had enough?

Edited to add: regardless, the group chat is a horrible way to tell you and both your sons should apologise for that.

TrickyD · 16/09/2025 12:42

I agree with those suggesting a Christmas cruise. Have a look at Saga, officially for the over fifties but the demographic is more like over 60. Very good at looking after single travellers, social events, introductions and they send a taxi to pick you up from home, take you to the ship and return you. There are also plenty of other cruses starting from the UK, so no having to cope with airports.

Subwaystop · 16/09/2025 12:42

NFItheawkardness · 16/09/2025 04:51

My god the answers on these posts are so harsh, you can see who would have raced to the village pond to see the witch being dunked or hurried to throw the first cabbage at the stocks.

The REAL answer is perfectly clear:

  1. Say, ‘my dears, you are perfectly right, thank you so much for educating a poor misguided older person, bonne chance with the snow (!), I will be here hemming sack cloth and reflecting on my personal growth.
  2. Book and expensive festive cruise by dipping in to any nest egg you might have put by for them.
  3. Meet a highly inappropriate younger Berlin party boy called Hans.
  4. Marry him on New Year’s Eve.
  5. Start every successive conversation with ‘Well, but HANS says…xyz’
  6. Die after a few years of hans-fuelled excess
  7. Leave him your estate.

Srsly though, the boys want to go and fuck about with hot girls and drugs and because they can’t admit that have in the age old way of men spun it to be entirely your fault. However, like many mums my own included you may have unconsciously become a bit of a Christmas dictator. You must have told your own parents it was your way or the festive highway if you’ve hosted every year for what, 32 years? Rip it up and go for something COMPLETELY different.

Sympathies though, these things are very painful and while you may be at fault, their manners are somewhat lacking.

Epic reply!

Coffeeishot · 16/09/2025 12:44

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 16/09/2025 12:34

I wonder if they did it via WhatsApp like that because otherwise OP would argue or make them feel too guilty.

Yeah perhaps she would try and talk them round maybe some emotional manipulation, although I think it was quite cowardly to gang up the son with the gf sounds a bit rude himself, it just sounds a mess but I do think the op is part to blame.

Blanknotebook · 16/09/2025 12:44

MyDeftDuck · 16/09/2025 00:14

It’s just another day…….go volunteer at a homeless shelter or better still have open house for anyone in your neighbourhood who is at a loose end or is feeling lonely………Christmas sorted 🎄🍗🍤🍪🍷🥂🍺🍾

Totally agree! It is just another day. It’s like all the fuss over Christmas lunch, it’s just a Sunday dinner with turkey and some trimmings and a pudding!

Cakeandusername · 16/09/2025 12:45

The Xmas ski trip might be the proposal then? Brother and his bf along to help set proposal up/act a photographer/video. On a positive it sounds like all your children are close. Pick your battles. Do something fabulous. It might give them pause to think if old mum isn’t just sat at home.

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 16/09/2025 12:48

TrickyD · 16/09/2025 12:42

I agree with those suggesting a Christmas cruise. Have a look at Saga, officially for the over fifties but the demographic is more like over 60. Very good at looking after single travellers, social events, introductions and they send a taxi to pick you up from home, take you to the ship and return you. There are also plenty of other cruses starting from the UK, so no having to cope with airports.

If you can afford it - sound like a good plan OP.

They've booked the ski holiday - your DD made her plans clear - so nothing changing by sounds of it.

I get you're hurt - but frankly you've had all the christmases before now which is a good run so you do need to make plans for yourself going forward.

Seperately you need to mend fences with your DS - as sound like there are issues with both of them - and this GF.

Salome61 · 16/09/2025 12:49

I am sorry you are going to be alone, could you write to your son's girlfriend to apologise? To say you thought you were just engaging in a lively debate? Otherwise you could find yourself estranged for a very long time - I've seen many people on Gransnet who haven't seen their children for many years now.

I was alone last Christmas and do recommend Madeira - I booked a hotel and flight through Jet2 and had a wonderful week. Sunshine, good food, and no pressure at all.

Rituelec · 16/09/2025 12:50

Let them

Seriously. This will only cause you pain.

Go abroad alone, start a new hobby, book a Xmas Christmas lunch, go to a community hub etc etc

Touchwood2654 · 16/09/2025 12:50

Is that you Victoria?

Notonthestairs · 16/09/2025 12:51

gannett · 16/09/2025 12:10

The contempt and disdain a lot of older women have for young, intelligent and forthright women is dripping throughout this thread, and OP isn't even the worst offender. Words like "pussy-whipped" and "cunt-struck" are shockingly misogynistic.

The girlfriends sounds like a lot of fun. Interesting that the OP focuses on the hedonistic aspects of her lifestyle and not the fact that she's highly educated and able to formulate political arguments across a range of subjects in her second language (and in my opinion she's not wrong about the things she argues). All that and she knows how to have a good time - no wonder he's smitten.

I also think youthful idealism and forthright principles are much smarter than the patronising fence-sitting that most older posters seem to prefer. MNers love to think of themselves as wise, which is laughable. I hope she holds on to her beliefs throughout her life.

Whilst I certainly agree with aspects of your post. The misogynistic language is horrendous.

But the disdain seems to cut both ways.

There have been lots of reasons put forward for why the girlfriend pushed topics into discussion despite the fact that they must have rather obviously been controversial.
She's young. She's well educated. She's French. She's idealistic. She's fun.
Her boyfriend wanted her to force their parent out of an echo chamber etc.

There seems to be a sense of Bravo for Putting Your Host in her place!

But when the Op pushes back that she doesn't welcome the conversation, she's automatically put in the position of having spoken out of turn. She's transgressed the lines of civility.

If you are content to offend a host, I'm not sure you can claim to be offended when they say they are offended!

I'm not sympathetic to the Op - Christmas will change, its not the end of the world - but there does seem to be different standards applied to both women.

Shewasafaireh · 16/09/2025 12:51

I hate to break it to you, but if they’re together there’s a chance both her and your son share a similar lifestyle.

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