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I will be spending Christmas alone and my children do not care

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Brazien · 15/09/2025 23:34

Hello,

I have 3 adult children, my eldest DD is 31, she is married and has a gorgeous little boy who is 11 months old. They spent last Christmas with me and DD already made it clear they would be doing one Christmas with us and another with her husbands family which is obviously totally fine and understandable. My next child is my DS who is 27 and then my youngest DS who is 25.

I would say I generally have a very positive relationship with all of my children, we talk relatively frequently and haven’t until now had a large falling out, they haven’t ever raised any issues with me in terms of our relationship and have historically initiated and planned visits. I am divorced and have been for many years, I have no close relatives as both of my parents have passed away and my only brother lives in Australia.

I absolutely love hosting Christmas, it is the highlight of my year. When my children’s father and I divorced we actually agreed he would get Boxing Day and New Years Eve (our children were still small when I got divorced) in exchange for me getting Christmas as it matters so much to me. I have hosted Christmas every year since I got married at 23, I never complain about hosting or resent doing this, like I said it’s the highlight of my year. As my children have grown it has of course meant some years I’ve had all of them home and others just one but never have they left me alone for Christmas and I’d actually say they have instead made quite a bit of effort between themselves to ensure someone is always around to spend Christmas with me.

Tonight I was added to a group text message chat, it included myself, both of my DS and their respective partners. DS1 has been with his girlfriend for about a year and a half, DS2 has been with his boyfriend for a year. My eldest son then sent a message, I’ll paraphrase but it effectively said that due to my attitude and opinions in regards to his girlfriend he will not be spending Christmas with me this year as he would like to spend it with her and refuses to expose her to my “inflammatory” opinions. He said he his brother and their partners have all booked to go skiing/snowboarding instead. They then all left the group message chat before I was able to reply.

First of all, this is not a way in which my son would ever normally speak to me, it was very defensive and accusatory in tone. Second of all, the opinions he is referring to are from a conversation I had with him following a large family get together for Easter. She is 24, French and seems to have an extremely elevated ego and level of confidence that borders on arrogance. I know she has a poor relationship with her own father (her mother has passed) but he none the less funds her life which consists entirely of expensive pastimes (snowboarding, tennis, concerts) and seemingly getting drunk, using drugs and partying.

At Easter she mentioned politics, which isn’t something I’d be keen to talk about over a family meal normally but my DS said that if we can’t have a friendly debate then we seal ourselves into an echo chamber of our own beliefs. She was totally unwilling to hear me out, and kept citing her multilingual abilities, degree and “travels” as reason she clearly knew much better than I, about politics, in Britain, a country she has only lived in for about 2 years. I shut the conversation down and said this is clearly unproductive. I then told my son afterwards that I had found her attitude to be filled with arrogance. She has also blank out refused to attend my nephews wedding as it was in a church and my DD told me that soon after she gave birth she said to her “if you ever want to play tennis or go to Pilates I will go with you; I’m sure you’re dying to shed the baby weight”. DD found this quite upsetting at the time but DS refused to call her out for it.

In terms of Christmas, both of my DS had said they would be spending this year with me, DS1 did not spend last year with me but DS2 did. I was looking forward to this and despite my dislikes of his girlfriend’s attitude, I made it clear she was also invited, as was DS2s boyfriend.

I called DS1 after the message in the group message chat and explained that I had never meant to cause offence to his girlfriend or to him for that matter and only ever shared opinions as she has always seemed so keen to be forthcoming with her own. I told him that I would be spending Christmas alone and I found that very upsetting and asked him to reconsider, I also offered to cover any costs associated with rescheduling their trip. He told me quite plainly it is not his problem that I would be alone and that he felt like I did not approve of his girlfriend and would never approve of him dating someone “intelligent, gorgeous and cultured” as it would make me “insecure”. Again this is never a way he has spoken to me before. He then hung up.

I then called DS2 who said that he was sorry I would be alone but he feels they’ve given me enough time to make other arrangements and that he feels that his brother is right that I clearly don’t like his girlfriend and he wants to show a stand of support to his brother and his girlfriend who he said he thinks is brilliant. He claimed I only don’t like her as she doesn’t conform to my expectations of a polite “basic” girl who just wants to get married and go on family holidays every year.

While I would say I don’t massively like her, I’m an adult and totally capable of being perfectly civil towards her. More so the reasons I don’t like her have nothing to do with her beliefs but her sheer arrogance, ego and reckless lifestyle, funded entirely by her father.

AIBU to be quite upset by this and to believe this is most likely coming from his girlfriend? How should I approach this going forward?

OP posts:
butterdish93 · 16/09/2025 08:40

Your middle son sounds insufferable. Going on about echo chambers…. Honestly, people of that age don’t understand that there’s more to life than politics.

Assuming you’ve been a nice mother, I can’t stand it when people don’t make a proper effort for their mum.
your daughter is a grown up and surely it’s time for her to start hosting for her family and inviting both sides.

CloudNumberNine · 16/09/2025 08:41

I am sure you must be the poster who posted previously about her dislike of her sons French girlfriend and you didn’t come across well in that one either, which I’m sure you got deleted.

MikeRafone · 16/09/2025 08:41

thepariscrimefiles · 16/09/2025 08:37

As OP describes herself as having very positive relationships with her adult children, I think that there must be more to this than a heated discussion about politics at Easter, particularly as her younger son feels the same as his brother and is going on the skiing holiday, despite knowing that she will be on her own on Christmas Day.

I think that OP is probably more judgemental than she thinks she is. Unless the French girlfriend was spouting far right incendiary and racist opinions, OP was rude to 'shut it down' and then tell her son that she 'found her attitude to be filled with arrogance'. I'm also assuming that the girlfriend hasn't had an easy life if she has lost her mum at a very young age and has a difficult relationship with her dad.

and this is not a very unpleasant way of telling someone they don't want to spend xmas with you, regardless. Write a letter, pick up the phone but to call round shout what they want and leave again is, out of order

Rosscameasdoody · 16/09/2025 08:42

thepariscrimefiles · 16/09/2025 08:37

As OP describes herself as having very positive relationships with her adult children, I think that there must be more to this than a heated discussion about politics at Easter, particularly as her younger son feels the same as his brother and is going on the skiing holiday, despite knowing that she will be on her own on Christmas Day.

I think that OP is probably more judgemental than she thinks she is. Unless the French girlfriend was spouting far right incendiary and racist opinions, OP was rude to 'shut it down' and then tell her son that she 'found her attitude to be filled with arrogance'. I'm also assuming that the girlfriend hasn't had an easy life if she has lost her mum at a very young age and has a difficult relationship with her dad.

If you read what OP says in her opening post, she didn’t want to have the debate in the first place. It was her son who pushed for it. Given that he knows both his mother and his girlfriend well, he must have known they would clash, so why would he be pitting them against each other ? I think he was eager to show off his GF’s intelligence and it backfired. I also don’t understand why they have left it until now to make their feelings known, given that this happened at Easter. Something feels off.

zipadeedodah · 16/09/2025 08:43

Brazien · 16/09/2025 00:23

Gosh it covered all sorts, gender ideology, immigration, Palestine, Brexit, cultural integration following immigration etc. Then spiralled into her effectively saying soldiers are no better than murderers if the government who controls them are corrupt and into philosophy of moral relativism, modern warfare and her finishing her whole rant with “I’d rather go to hell than heaven if heaven is bound to the same rules Christian’s are” knowing full well I had just been to church!

|Oh fuck me! What a conversation to be having around the dinner table on whats supposed to be a relaxing lunch occasion.

RaffiaworkAttachment · 16/09/2025 08:44

Brazien · 16/09/2025 00:23

Gosh it covered all sorts, gender ideology, immigration, Palestine, Brexit, cultural integration following immigration etc. Then spiralled into her effectively saying soldiers are no better than murderers if the government who controls them are corrupt and into philosophy of moral relativism, modern warfare and her finishing her whole rant with “I’d rather go to hell than heaven if heaven is bound to the same rules Christian’s are” knowing full well I had just been to church!

Ooofe. I'm on the fence. You probably should have kept it zipped but....

We have a fracture in the family.

My advice is to do nothing. Spend Christmas alone, on a cruise or wherever you please and just be smiling and neutral moving forward. Don't offer to host anything at all, just enjoy your life because if this woman is unpleasant, her true nature will be felt soon enough by all those around her and those people around her will look back and realise that you weren't the monster.

Crucially, this is far more likely to happen if you keep out of it or better still, apologise and keep out of it.

DH had a ruck with his DIL. I advised he keep quiet but she pushed and pushed and he bit. We have gone quiet and now people are realising what she is like. If we had stayed in touch, the narrative for decades would be that it was DH's fault and she is his 'victim' (as she tried to set it up to look).

Go quiet and neutral. This way, people realise all the sooner who the gobshite actually is.

Snugglemonkey · 16/09/2025 08:44

clotheslinefiasco · 16/09/2025 05:43

@BauhausOfEliott I totally disagree with your post and think the girlfriend sounds like a Royal Pain in the Arse.

The OP has got her measure - and no one likes that Confused

@Brazien stay strong and find other friends or things to do this Christmas - keep the faith and hopefully your DS1 will see the light soon. I definitely wouldn't like it if one of my kids was dating a regular Class A drug user. What does it say about her high and mighty morals??? Not a lot.

Sounds like at least one son, possibly two are also drug users.

MyPurpleHeart · 16/09/2025 08:44

As your children get older you need to learn some flexibility around Christmas, my parents refuse to ever go anywhere but home and expect the children to all come home. My sibling and I both have our own families, shes 40 and I'm 37.

It ended up that I sacrificed going to DH's home country for nearly a decade, so that my parents weren't alone. I finally put my foot down and said no, you are welcome to join us but we are going abroad this year. They wont join us, they think they have a god given right to have the Christmas they want and that everyone has to come to them.

Now your kids are grown its time to join someone else's gathering, and youll need to start by making amends for the current fallout. Just think, when you start having grandchildren appear they will want Christmas in their own homes and do you want to be the granny that stays over and enjoys it with them or don't you

Iocainepowder · 16/09/2025 08:45

MikeRafone · 16/09/2025 08:38

Well the way you go about telling someone they are not wanted at xmas sucks

As i and several posters have alluded to already, this is unlikely to be the result of a one-off incident. It is more likely to be the a result of a build up of many years of issues with op’s behaviour.

I haven’t involved a Christmas issue, but i have had to send such messages to my own mum when i need a break from contact from her for a couple of weeks because of her behaviour. I put up with her shit for years and then decided i didn’t have to put up with it when i was 30.

I honestly think there can be issues sometimes with people being very set in their ways and not being open to self improvement, always thinking they are right.

Viviennemary · 16/09/2025 08:45

You dont like the gf and have made that perfectly clear. So he'd rather spend Christmas with his gf. Sorry but you've brought this on yourself.

Nanny0gg · 16/09/2025 08:46

BauhausOfEliott · 16/09/2025 02:08

How is it harming your son? She’s not forcing coke up his nose. He’s a grown man.

Literally the only problem you have with this woman is that she has strong political opinions that aren’t the same as yours. What does it matter to you what she thinks about these issues? She’s not harming anyone by expressing these views. She doesn’t appear to be bigoted. I don’t agree with all of what she believes, but she’s clearly not just spouting off from a position of ignorance and I don’t really understand why you’re offended by any of it. Why do you care what she thinks about capitalism or the UN? If she was, eg, being racist or advocating for eugenics or something like that, that would be a different matter, but she’s merely expressing her own views on economics and world affairs.

You sound like a very difficult person to be around.

Surely the fact that the gf wasn't willing to listen either is a little [''difficult'?

And most people try not to push their views on people they don't know very well when they're guests in their homes?

Thatsalineallright · 16/09/2025 08:47

I'd go against the grain here and say I think your children owe you an apology. That was a horrific way of telling you they won't be coming for Christmas.

If you are a borderline abusive mother then I can understand why they did it that way, but if you are simply a normal mum who has different politics to them, then it was disrespectful in the extreme to make that WhatsApp group.

My mum has different political and religious beliefs to me and we've got into heated discussions over it. I've never thought she should apologise for her views, nor I for mine. She's a grown woman entitled to her own ideas.

I'd give up on the Christmas hosting this year. Plan a nice trip for yourself. Then maybe tell your children that you want a good relationship with them and to still see them regularly - with that in mind, you suggest taking politics and relationships completely off the table during family get togethers. See what they say.

Glowingup · 16/09/2025 08:48

I'm guessing OP's views were:
Pro-Brexit
Thinks immigrants should 'integrate', whatever that means
Anti-trans
Pro-Israel
Anti-immigration

Scottishskifun · 16/09/2025 08:48

The WhatsApp approach was definitely uncalled for but also your response since of offering to switch it etc was too much.

Always feeling the need to please at Christmas as a mid twenties adult can be exhausting.
My DHs favourite Christmas has been in New Zealand with a bbq because it was just us and zero pressure or forced family fun day.

Let the dust settle put a smile on your face and make your own plans which won't involve being at home.

Notonthestairs · 16/09/2025 08:49

Easter was 5 months ago.
Have you not seen your sons (and girlfriends) since then?

Rosscameasdoody · 16/09/2025 08:49

Cynic17 · 16/09/2025 08:32

You dislike your son's partner and make her feel unwelcome. Of course he puts her first! All your children are grown up - naturally they want to do their own thing at Christmas. I have friends telling their adult kids how important it is not to keep going to their old family home, because they need to start their own traditions and live their own lives.
Either book a holiday, or enjoy a quiet, solo Christmas - which will be lovely. It's only a day, and maybe some time for reflection won't be a bad thing.

How did OP make her feel unwelcome ? You missed that OP didn’t want to have the discussion in the first place, and that it was her son who pushed for them to have it ? He knows both women well. He must have known their views would clash so why encourage it ? There’s more to this than meets the eye.

MikeRafone · 16/09/2025 08:51

Iocainepowder · 16/09/2025 08:45

As i and several posters have alluded to already, this is unlikely to be the result of a one-off incident. It is more likely to be the a result of a build up of many years of issues with op’s behaviour.

I haven’t involved a Christmas issue, but i have had to send such messages to my own mum when i need a break from contact from her for a couple of weeks because of her behaviour. I put up with her shit for years and then decided i didn’t have to put up with it when i was 30.

I honestly think there can be issues sometimes with people being very set in their ways and not being open to self improvement, always thinking they are right.

you can tell someone they need to back off without behaving like a total bunch of cunts

far better to give them a shit sandwich (something nice, stop doing this or else our relationship will breakdown completely and something nice)

Rosscameasdoody · 16/09/2025 08:51

Notonthestairs · 16/09/2025 08:49

Easter was 5 months ago.
Have you not seen your sons (and girlfriends) since then?

This is what l don’t understand. Why wait five months to sort out what seems like a major fallout, and have they met in the interim.

diddl · 16/09/2025 08:51

They had a massive falling out at the start of the year before Easter and DS was really upset he told me a lot about her life etc. and went back anyway.

Sounds as if he also needs to learn when to keep schtum!

Esperanza25 · 16/09/2025 08:52

butterdish93 · 16/09/2025 08:40

Your middle son sounds insufferable. Going on about echo chambers…. Honestly, people of that age don’t understand that there’s more to life than politics.

Assuming you’ve been a nice mother, I can’t stand it when people don’t make a proper effort for their mum.
your daughter is a grown up and surely it’s time for her to start hosting for her family and inviting both sides.

Yes, I also think that your daughter could invite both sides.
Both my daughters in law do this from time to time which I’m very grateful for.
I do think that you’ll have to build bridges with DS1’s French girlfriend OP, but I’m sorry that you’re feeling upset. I don’t think your sons should have broken the news to you the way they did. That would be my biggest issue, not Christmas itself.

FrenchandSaunders · 16/09/2025 08:52

This all seems to have escalated quickly OP. Back off a bit now and let them crack on with their plans. Try and find something else to do for Christmas. We all need to bite our tongue sometimes with adult DCs partners. It's never going to end well voicing our true opinions.

I've made it clear to my adult DCs that as much as I would love to have them round for Christmas, I realise that they also need/want to spend time with their partners families and friends so it's entirely up to them what they choose to do. No pressure.

I appreciate it's slightly different as I have DH here, but we've both said if there's a Christmas where it's just us we'll either be up the local pub paying a fortune for their Christmas day lunch or we'll be on a beach abroad.

Livelovebehappy · 16/09/2025 08:52

Nanny0gg · 16/09/2025 08:46

Surely the fact that the gf wasn't willing to listen either is a little [''difficult'?

And most people try not to push their views on people they don't know very well when they're guests in their homes?

Edited

Agree with this. Often, people like this who have strong opinions on something absolutely love the confrontation of going up against someone who they know don’t share their views. Presumably the gf knew OP had Christian beliefs as she was going to be going to church that same day. So it’s very rude for someone to start an unnecessary bun fight when they’re guests. She sounds like a very angry person….

Mumwithbaggage · 16/09/2025 08:52

They are adults. The rule is to be nice and welcoming to your children's partners. It's just what you do. Young people often have very strong opinions - sometimes they are right, sometimes wrong but it's so much better than having no opinions at all. If you want to keep your children, respect their partners.

Sounds like you need to say a sorry that isn't followed by "but".

Christmas isn't the be all and end all.

Rosscameasdoody · 16/09/2025 08:52

Glowingup · 16/09/2025 08:48

I'm guessing OP's views were:
Pro-Brexit
Thinks immigrants should 'integrate', whatever that means
Anti-trans
Pro-Israel
Anti-immigration

Why ?

Anonymouseposter · 16/09/2025 08:52

Coming from the perspective of a widow in her 70s I think you need to find a sense of proportion about this. I would rather spend Christmas on my own than in a tense atmosphere or having a row. If you push this and show you’re upset your children will start to see you as a pain in the neck. If the girlfriend is as arrogant as you say I hope your son sees it and that she isn’t around for long. You have time so try to arrange something nice for yourself. If you do end up at home on your own buy yourself some treats, record some good things to watch, go for a walk etc. The day will pass and you won’t come to any harm. Accept that life changes and the way you spend Christmas will change. Sometimes you will be with one family member, sometimes another. Sometimes you might host, sometimes you will visit. It can’t always revolve around your preference. Enjoy it for what it is. ( and whatever you think of your children’s partners and lifestyle keep your mouth zipped).

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