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I will be spending Christmas alone and my children do not care

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Brazien · 15/09/2025 23:34

Hello,

I have 3 adult children, my eldest DD is 31, she is married and has a gorgeous little boy who is 11 months old. They spent last Christmas with me and DD already made it clear they would be doing one Christmas with us and another with her husbands family which is obviously totally fine and understandable. My next child is my DS who is 27 and then my youngest DS who is 25.

I would say I generally have a very positive relationship with all of my children, we talk relatively frequently and haven’t until now had a large falling out, they haven’t ever raised any issues with me in terms of our relationship and have historically initiated and planned visits. I am divorced and have been for many years, I have no close relatives as both of my parents have passed away and my only brother lives in Australia.

I absolutely love hosting Christmas, it is the highlight of my year. When my children’s father and I divorced we actually agreed he would get Boxing Day and New Years Eve (our children were still small when I got divorced) in exchange for me getting Christmas as it matters so much to me. I have hosted Christmas every year since I got married at 23, I never complain about hosting or resent doing this, like I said it’s the highlight of my year. As my children have grown it has of course meant some years I’ve had all of them home and others just one but never have they left me alone for Christmas and I’d actually say they have instead made quite a bit of effort between themselves to ensure someone is always around to spend Christmas with me.

Tonight I was added to a group text message chat, it included myself, both of my DS and their respective partners. DS1 has been with his girlfriend for about a year and a half, DS2 has been with his boyfriend for a year. My eldest son then sent a message, I’ll paraphrase but it effectively said that due to my attitude and opinions in regards to his girlfriend he will not be spending Christmas with me this year as he would like to spend it with her and refuses to expose her to my “inflammatory” opinions. He said he his brother and their partners have all booked to go skiing/snowboarding instead. They then all left the group message chat before I was able to reply.

First of all, this is not a way in which my son would ever normally speak to me, it was very defensive and accusatory in tone. Second of all, the opinions he is referring to are from a conversation I had with him following a large family get together for Easter. She is 24, French and seems to have an extremely elevated ego and level of confidence that borders on arrogance. I know she has a poor relationship with her own father (her mother has passed) but he none the less funds her life which consists entirely of expensive pastimes (snowboarding, tennis, concerts) and seemingly getting drunk, using drugs and partying.

At Easter she mentioned politics, which isn’t something I’d be keen to talk about over a family meal normally but my DS said that if we can’t have a friendly debate then we seal ourselves into an echo chamber of our own beliefs. She was totally unwilling to hear me out, and kept citing her multilingual abilities, degree and “travels” as reason she clearly knew much better than I, about politics, in Britain, a country she has only lived in for about 2 years. I shut the conversation down and said this is clearly unproductive. I then told my son afterwards that I had found her attitude to be filled with arrogance. She has also blank out refused to attend my nephews wedding as it was in a church and my DD told me that soon after she gave birth she said to her “if you ever want to play tennis or go to Pilates I will go with you; I’m sure you’re dying to shed the baby weight”. DD found this quite upsetting at the time but DS refused to call her out for it.

In terms of Christmas, both of my DS had said they would be spending this year with me, DS1 did not spend last year with me but DS2 did. I was looking forward to this and despite my dislikes of his girlfriend’s attitude, I made it clear she was also invited, as was DS2s boyfriend.

I called DS1 after the message in the group message chat and explained that I had never meant to cause offence to his girlfriend or to him for that matter and only ever shared opinions as she has always seemed so keen to be forthcoming with her own. I told him that I would be spending Christmas alone and I found that very upsetting and asked him to reconsider, I also offered to cover any costs associated with rescheduling their trip. He told me quite plainly it is not his problem that I would be alone and that he felt like I did not approve of his girlfriend and would never approve of him dating someone “intelligent, gorgeous and cultured” as it would make me “insecure”. Again this is never a way he has spoken to me before. He then hung up.

I then called DS2 who said that he was sorry I would be alone but he feels they’ve given me enough time to make other arrangements and that he feels that his brother is right that I clearly don’t like his girlfriend and he wants to show a stand of support to his brother and his girlfriend who he said he thinks is brilliant. He claimed I only don’t like her as she doesn’t conform to my expectations of a polite “basic” girl who just wants to get married and go on family holidays every year.

While I would say I don’t massively like her, I’m an adult and totally capable of being perfectly civil towards her. More so the reasons I don’t like her have nothing to do with her beliefs but her sheer arrogance, ego and reckless lifestyle, funded entirely by her father.

AIBU to be quite upset by this and to believe this is most likely coming from his girlfriend? How should I approach this going forward?

OP posts:
Rosscameasdoody · 16/09/2025 08:23

I agree with most other posters in that GF sounds like a twat, but maybe it wasn’t the best strategy to have challenged her opinions in that situation. Having said that, from you post it does appear that your son was encouraging you to engage fully in the debate so l find it baffling that he’s taken issue like this - he must have had at least an inkling that your ‘inflammatory’ views would clash, and similarly he must have known how his GF would respond. It sounds almost engineered towards a fall out.

What really doesn’t sit well with me was the way in which they communicated their feelings about what had happened. They added you to a group chat, talked about you as though you weren’t there, and left the chat without giving you an opportunity to even respond. Not only is it insulting, it’s cowardly. Why didn’t they approach you face to face after it happened, to discuss what had happened and give you proper space in which to respond and apologise ? And given that this happened at Easter, why did they leave it so long to bring this up at all ?

Also, given that it sounds as though the GF was rude, disrespectful and overbearing, why is she not apologising to you for her part in all of this ? You’ve explained your actions, and l think the only way forward is for you to apologise properly for any offence caused, but after that l would leave it alone because if the apology isn’t well received you’ll end up grovelling. And from what you’ve said it seems to me that’s what they want.

There is something off about all of this and the way it was communicated to you is really odd - especially since all of this took place at Easter. Have you not seen or spoken to them in the interim ? If so, why didn’t they broach the subject then ? Your son clearly felt he couldn’t approach you face to face and needed the support of his brother in the group chat. It was arranged so that they got their point across and left no opportunity for you to respond. If this is as out of character for them as you say, then my suspicion is that it’s in response to GF’s demands.

You’re not going to win here OP, and l think it’s probably wise for you to take a step back from them until the dust has settled and maybe keep them at arms length for a while. I think they’ve treated you quite badly, and l suspect they know it.

Theroadt · 16/09/2025 08:23

Various separate but related issues here.

  1. you want to continue to be mother hen and gather the Xmas crowd - your family has moved on & so should you, frankly;
  2. your son’s gf sounds a PITA and obviously doesn’t want to get on with you - but it sounds mutual. I doubt this is repairable.
  3. your sons deliberately informed you about snowing plans in a rather spiteful way. That is something you can discuss with your DSs privately, but in the context of being happy to move on (see (1) above)
  4. you need to zip it over any political views the gf expresses and move the conversation on, not engage with it, since it ends in argument.
21ZIGGY · 16/09/2025 08:24

Go on holiday and leave them to it. Its one christmas. DONT freeze them out and make it worse. Chances are he will be sick of her by next xmas

Tam285 · 16/09/2025 08:25

Brazien · 16/09/2025 02:03

They had a massive falling out at the start of the year before Easter and DS was really upset he told me a lot about her life etc. and went back anyway.

Ah this was a huge mistake on his part - to expect to be able to tell you all their issues and problems and then expect you to be happy when he went running back to her.

It's going to be a shock after 20 something years of Christmas dinners with kids to suddenly not have the kids around. But I think it's time to rethink Christmas and do something different. Go to Australia and see your brother and his family, help out at a charity that provides Christmas dinners for homeless people, go on holiday somewhere snowy and beautiful.

The GF sounds annoying as hell OP and you'd probably either be treading on eggshells or having a huge fall out at Christmas if she came. The chances are it wouldn't be the Christmas you'd want anyway. So I would leave the kids to do what they want to do and start making big plans for a new style Christmas.

researchers3 · 16/09/2025 08:26

JellyBeanSpring25 · 15/09/2025 23:50

Book yourself a fabulous holiday over Christmas.

In the new year, start building bridges. You say you are all adults but you are THE adult here. Acknowledge you shut down the girlfriend and apologise. Otherwise, you will be alone next Christmas. This is salvageable - but you need to put some work in.

I thumbsed up the holiday suggestion.

The GF sounds horrible and rude OP, I feel for you.

TheBeaTgoeson1 · 16/09/2025 08:27

Thelandlordsdaughter1 · 16/09/2025 08:21

You have missed out the full context of the politics conversation that incited this heated discussion at Easter. What was the topic, were you expressing bigoted opinions? Was this about immigration or the trans community?

The IP has glazed over what the opinions were in a previous post, but I think it’s important context for them to go into more detail.

RaininSummer · 16/09/2025 08:28

NFItheawkardness · 16/09/2025 04:51

My god the answers on these posts are so harsh, you can see who would have raced to the village pond to see the witch being dunked or hurried to throw the first cabbage at the stocks.

The REAL answer is perfectly clear:

  1. Say, ‘my dears, you are perfectly right, thank you so much for educating a poor misguided older person, bonne chance with the snow (!), I will be here hemming sack cloth and reflecting on my personal growth.
  2. Book and expensive festive cruise by dipping in to any nest egg you might have put by for them.
  3. Meet a highly inappropriate younger Berlin party boy called Hans.
  4. Marry him on New Year’s Eve.
  5. Start every successive conversation with ‘Well, but HANS says…xyz’
  6. Die after a few years of hans-fuelled excess
  7. Leave him your estate.

Srsly though, the boys want to go and fuck about with hot girls and drugs and because they can’t admit that have in the age old way of men spun it to be entirely your fault. However, like many mums my own included you may have unconsciously become a bit of a Christmas dictator. You must have told your own parents it was your way or the festive highway if you’ve hosted every year for what, 32 years? Rip it up and go for something COMPLETELY different.

Sympathies though, these things are very painful and while you may be at fault, their manners are somewhat lacking.

Best answer so far.

MrsDoubtfire1 · 16/09/2025 08:29

Don't apologise, let them stand by their decision and don't be upset. They have set a new trend. My neighbour's son picked up with a girl like this and at a family event they had with the neighbours, she was so stuck up she looked down on us like dirt on her shoe. Please look forward to your own new life and don't allow yourself do get drawn into the maelstrom of these new females. Let them go and do your own thing! In time your life will fill itself with joy and it sounds at the moment as if your son with the stuck up girlfriend is besotted with her and they are practising all this modern estrangement lark. When she dumps him, he'll be running home for understanding. Make sure you are not there.

TheaBrandt1 · 16/09/2025 08:30

Go on a trip to a small town east coast USA. You will no doubt save the towns Christmas event with the help of an age appropriate small business owner in a Christmas jumper. You will marry him and stay there and your kids will all be there next year minus the French girlfriend who would actually be the perfect villain in this film.

Okrr · 16/09/2025 08:30

The gf seems to be a champagne socialist. How does she think her daddy funds her Mayfair clubs? She is just spouting without living the reality of her ‘views’.

fastingforweightloss · 16/09/2025 08:31

Op, please bear in mind that this site is predominantly used by women in their 20's-40's, who have never had adult children. There's ZERO chance of you being given the benefit of the doubt here. And this is going to make you spiral and assume that you're in the wrong, when I don't think you are, AT ALL.

I am completely on your side here. I also have adult children, and honestly they just don't get it. They are far too wrapped up in their own lives and (immature) beliefs.

I also have a son who did have an arrogant GF. She sounds so similar to your sons GF. She was foreign, not French but lived in France, bankrolled by her very rich parents.....for a while my son seemed to forget his manners too! They broke up, and I'm happy to say, he is now back to his normal self, the kind and loving son he was before. So, try not to worry, he will no doubt come to his senses at some point.

I think your kids are behaving APPALLINGLY. I would not contact them anymore about this. No begging or cajoling. Let the silly fuckers grow up and come to their senses - which they will. Make other arrangements for Christmas, or maybe even take a solo trip somewhere nice. No gifts for them this year.

To the women on here who have children who are still young, I implore you to think about how you would feel, if your children did this to you when they were young adults. Trust me, kids in their 20's are extremely self centred and selfish, and it bloody hurts, especially after all the graft we put in as mums. You have it coming - be warned!

Cynic17 · 16/09/2025 08:32

You dislike your son's partner and make her feel unwelcome. Of course he puts her first! All your children are grown up - naturally they want to do their own thing at Christmas. I have friends telling their adult kids how important it is not to keep going to their old family home, because they need to start their own traditions and live their own lives.
Either book a holiday, or enjoy a quiet, solo Christmas - which will be lovely. It's only a day, and maybe some time for reflection won't be a bad thing.

ForDaringNavyOP · 16/09/2025 08:32

Are you a regular church goer? If you are a Christian it is a great place to find a sense of community and if you go to services on Christmas Eve/Day, you will get some feeling of company I'm sure. I would also put money on someone inviting you for Christmas lunch.

NewsdeskJC · 16/09/2025 08:33

Well done kids. Far better now than when you are older.
Dd spends every other year with you. Ds s in my opinion don't give two hoots about whether dmum will be alone at Xmas.
I have been stuck with my dmum for the last 30 years. I have very firmly told my 3 that Xmas is what they want it to be. On a beach, in bed watching tv, whatever.
If i manage to outline dmum, the first Xmas i will be on a sun lounger somewhere lovely

TheaBrandt1 · 16/09/2025 08:34

Good advice! I am mentally preparing myself for this although I get on very well with our late teens. To be fair I don’t think it’s selfish I think it’s natural for young adults to go out into the world. I know I did.

Quite looking forward to chilled no hosting Christmases! plus close to both sisters so we can always go there if binned by kids.

Iocainepowder · 16/09/2025 08:35

fastingforweightloss · 16/09/2025 08:31

Op, please bear in mind that this site is predominantly used by women in their 20's-40's, who have never had adult children. There's ZERO chance of you being given the benefit of the doubt here. And this is going to make you spiral and assume that you're in the wrong, when I don't think you are, AT ALL.

I am completely on your side here. I also have adult children, and honestly they just don't get it. They are far too wrapped up in their own lives and (immature) beliefs.

I also have a son who did have an arrogant GF. She sounds so similar to your sons GF. She was foreign, not French but lived in France, bankrolled by her very rich parents.....for a while my son seemed to forget his manners too! They broke up, and I'm happy to say, he is now back to his normal self, the kind and loving son he was before. So, try not to worry, he will no doubt come to his senses at some point.

I think your kids are behaving APPALLINGLY. I would not contact them anymore about this. No begging or cajoling. Let the silly fuckers grow up and come to their senses - which they will. Make other arrangements for Christmas, or maybe even take a solo trip somewhere nice. No gifts for them this year.

To the women on here who have children who are still young, I implore you to think about how you would feel, if your children did this to you when they were young adults. Trust me, kids in their 20's are extremely self centred and selfish, and it bloody hurts, especially after all the graft we put in as mums. You have it coming - be warned!

we may not have adult kids, but we ARE the kids who have had similar issues with our parents.

Rosscameasdoody · 16/09/2025 08:35

Theroadt · 16/09/2025 08:23

Various separate but related issues here.

  1. you want to continue to be mother hen and gather the Xmas crowd - your family has moved on & so should you, frankly;
  2. your son’s gf sounds a PITA and obviously doesn’t want to get on with you - but it sounds mutual. I doubt this is repairable.
  3. your sons deliberately informed you about snowing plans in a rather spiteful way. That is something you can discuss with your DSs privately, but in the context of being happy to move on (see (1) above)
  4. you need to zip it over any political views the gf expresses and move the conversation on, not engage with it, since it ends in argument.

I would agree with this, but one point posters seem to be missing is that OP’s son was encouraging OP to debate with GF. He’s now accused OP of pushing her ‘inflammatory’ views. She’s his mother. He knows her. Similarly his GF. He must surely have had at least an inkling that their views would clash so why did he push for the debate ? One explanation is that he’s in thrall to her because of her qualifications and intelligence. He wanted to ‘show her off’ and it backfired. If that’s the case he should be ashamed of himself for effectively pitting them against each other.

It also seems really odd that they’ve left it so long to sort this out given that it happened at Easter, and to me, there is something about it that feels engineered. And whatever happened doesn’t excuse the appalling and cowardly way they handled this with OP. I think apologies are needed all round and l think OP should be very very wary of GF, and likely her son too.

hattie43 · 16/09/2025 08:36

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 16/09/2025 07:17

Even if you weren’t hard work, you can’t expect your adult children to spend Christmas with you.

Stop relying on them.

It’s now time for you to build your own network and find your own way. Make Christmas special just for you. Go on holiday yourself to a winter wonderland!

I kind of agree with this . So many parents live their lives dependant on their children yet these children are now adults who want to do their own thing .
when children leave home parents should forge new lives for themselves and not be so reliant . Life doesn’t stop because the kids want to do Christmas their way .

thepariscrimefiles · 16/09/2025 08:37

MikeRafone · 16/09/2025 08:22

I am sorry that your children treated you this way. Regardless of whether you have beef with someone or not, inviting them into a group chat, sticking the boot in then running off Is a cruel thing to do, especially to your own mother. Appalling.

It's terrible behaviour, regardless of what others have done its down right disrespectful.

As OP describes herself as having very positive relationships with her adult children, I think that there must be more to this than a heated discussion about politics at Easter, particularly as her younger son feels the same as his brother and is going on the skiing holiday, despite knowing that she will be on her own on Christmas Day.

I think that OP is probably more judgemental than she thinks she is. Unless the French girlfriend was spouting far right incendiary and racist opinions, OP was rude to 'shut it down' and then tell her son that she 'found her attitude to be filled with arrogance'. I'm also assuming that the girlfriend hasn't had an easy life if she has lost her mum at a very young age and has a difficult relationship with her dad.

Snugglemonkey · 16/09/2025 08:37

SlaveToFelines · 16/09/2025 03:35

I’d forget about Christmas for now. I would be more worried about your son going out with someone who you say does (presumably recreational) drugs. What drugs does she take and when? Has your son told you this? This to me is far more worrying and urgent to address than where you will all celebrate Christmas.

Do not address this! It is not your place op. If you want to see lots of your sons, you need to find a way to get on with their gfs. They are men. They are quite capable of picking partners. Your input is unwelcome. Your job is to find a way to relate to them.

MikeRafone · 16/09/2025 08:38

Iocainepowder · 16/09/2025 08:35

we may not have adult kids, but we ARE the kids who have had similar issues with our parents.

Well the way you go about telling someone they are not wanted at xmas sucks

MolluscMonday · 16/09/2025 08:38

Brazien · 16/09/2025 00:50

Predominantly surrounding the viability of capitalism, her stating that the UK suffers massively as it is suspended half way between socialism and capitalism which results in the worst of both being the dish served, religion in the House of Lords and monarchies, NATO and the UN being “biased, useless and a system which only allows small nations to be punished which large nations and the Big 5 can break them as they please”, Nuclear Disarmament, cultural integration after immigration etc.

I think she did Literature and Philosophy at undergrad and strategic and political communication at masters level.

Ha! I’m British and I think she’s hit the nail on the head with that lot!

What’s more interesting to me is why a young woman’s political views have triggered such a reaction in you. My stepson’s views annoy me. I generally attempt one or two counter opinions but then agree to disagree. Why did this set off such a major incident?

People saying just volunteer at a soup kitchen are missing the point a bit which isn’t just the day itself but your massive feelings of rejection and hurt. Which are understandable; they’ve gone about this in quite a nuclear way but it reads as though they perhaps found it hard to do.

I think for this year all you can do is move on with the best grace you can. Say you’re sorry for your part in the situation, hope they all have a nice time and perhaps you can look at it again next year. Anything else on your part won’t get you what you want this year and will potentially only make it worse for the future.

Ffshowcouldthishappen · 16/09/2025 08:39

BourgeoisBabe · 15/09/2025 23:49

Have you imagined your children will spend Christmas with you for the rest of your life? You need to sort your own plans fur Christmas in my view.

I don't think that's unreasonable with 3 kids.

Both DH and I coordinate with our siblings to make sure no parent is alone at Christmas unless they want to be.

Glowingup · 16/09/2025 08:40

Iocainepowder · 16/09/2025 08:35

we may not have adult kids, but we ARE the kids who have had similar issues with our parents.

This. If you have kids in order to have some sort of emotional support companion for life who will dance to your tune and do whatever you want to the detriment of their own wellbeing, then you really shouldn’t have had any.

My mum is like this by the way. We NEVER had my grandma (who was actually lovely) over for Christmas. She’s such a hypocrite. She feels she can dictate to us how to live our lives and raise our kids but her own mum never interfered with her parenting, always sung her praises and helped out financially all the time expecting nothing in return.

PurpleAxe · 16/09/2025 08:40

TheBeaTgoeson1 · 16/09/2025 08:27

The IP has glazed over what the opinions were in a previous post, but I think it’s important context for them to go into more detail.

Yes OP, it is important we know who has the correct opinions. 😁

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