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I will be spending Christmas alone and my children do not care

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Brazien · 15/09/2025 23:34

Hello,

I have 3 adult children, my eldest DD is 31, she is married and has a gorgeous little boy who is 11 months old. They spent last Christmas with me and DD already made it clear they would be doing one Christmas with us and another with her husbands family which is obviously totally fine and understandable. My next child is my DS who is 27 and then my youngest DS who is 25.

I would say I generally have a very positive relationship with all of my children, we talk relatively frequently and haven’t until now had a large falling out, they haven’t ever raised any issues with me in terms of our relationship and have historically initiated and planned visits. I am divorced and have been for many years, I have no close relatives as both of my parents have passed away and my only brother lives in Australia.

I absolutely love hosting Christmas, it is the highlight of my year. When my children’s father and I divorced we actually agreed he would get Boxing Day and New Years Eve (our children were still small when I got divorced) in exchange for me getting Christmas as it matters so much to me. I have hosted Christmas every year since I got married at 23, I never complain about hosting or resent doing this, like I said it’s the highlight of my year. As my children have grown it has of course meant some years I’ve had all of them home and others just one but never have they left me alone for Christmas and I’d actually say they have instead made quite a bit of effort between themselves to ensure someone is always around to spend Christmas with me.

Tonight I was added to a group text message chat, it included myself, both of my DS and their respective partners. DS1 has been with his girlfriend for about a year and a half, DS2 has been with his boyfriend for a year. My eldest son then sent a message, I’ll paraphrase but it effectively said that due to my attitude and opinions in regards to his girlfriend he will not be spending Christmas with me this year as he would like to spend it with her and refuses to expose her to my “inflammatory” opinions. He said he his brother and their partners have all booked to go skiing/snowboarding instead. They then all left the group message chat before I was able to reply.

First of all, this is not a way in which my son would ever normally speak to me, it was very defensive and accusatory in tone. Second of all, the opinions he is referring to are from a conversation I had with him following a large family get together for Easter. She is 24, French and seems to have an extremely elevated ego and level of confidence that borders on arrogance. I know she has a poor relationship with her own father (her mother has passed) but he none the less funds her life which consists entirely of expensive pastimes (snowboarding, tennis, concerts) and seemingly getting drunk, using drugs and partying.

At Easter she mentioned politics, which isn’t something I’d be keen to talk about over a family meal normally but my DS said that if we can’t have a friendly debate then we seal ourselves into an echo chamber of our own beliefs. She was totally unwilling to hear me out, and kept citing her multilingual abilities, degree and “travels” as reason she clearly knew much better than I, about politics, in Britain, a country she has only lived in for about 2 years. I shut the conversation down and said this is clearly unproductive. I then told my son afterwards that I had found her attitude to be filled with arrogance. She has also blank out refused to attend my nephews wedding as it was in a church and my DD told me that soon after she gave birth she said to her “if you ever want to play tennis or go to Pilates I will go with you; I’m sure you’re dying to shed the baby weight”. DD found this quite upsetting at the time but DS refused to call her out for it.

In terms of Christmas, both of my DS had said they would be spending this year with me, DS1 did not spend last year with me but DS2 did. I was looking forward to this and despite my dislikes of his girlfriend’s attitude, I made it clear she was also invited, as was DS2s boyfriend.

I called DS1 after the message in the group message chat and explained that I had never meant to cause offence to his girlfriend or to him for that matter and only ever shared opinions as she has always seemed so keen to be forthcoming with her own. I told him that I would be spending Christmas alone and I found that very upsetting and asked him to reconsider, I also offered to cover any costs associated with rescheduling their trip. He told me quite plainly it is not his problem that I would be alone and that he felt like I did not approve of his girlfriend and would never approve of him dating someone “intelligent, gorgeous and cultured” as it would make me “insecure”. Again this is never a way he has spoken to me before. He then hung up.

I then called DS2 who said that he was sorry I would be alone but he feels they’ve given me enough time to make other arrangements and that he feels that his brother is right that I clearly don’t like his girlfriend and he wants to show a stand of support to his brother and his girlfriend who he said he thinks is brilliant. He claimed I only don’t like her as she doesn’t conform to my expectations of a polite “basic” girl who just wants to get married and go on family holidays every year.

While I would say I don’t massively like her, I’m an adult and totally capable of being perfectly civil towards her. More so the reasons I don’t like her have nothing to do with her beliefs but her sheer arrogance, ego and reckless lifestyle, funded entirely by her father.

AIBU to be quite upset by this and to believe this is most likely coming from his girlfriend? How should I approach this going forward?

OP posts:
TorroFerney · 16/09/2025 07:43

Dancingsquirrels · 16/09/2025 07:34

The way they told you was unnecessarily cruel and humiliating

But this isn't about Christmas. It's about wider relationships

Posting here probably unwise. Easily recognisable

And agree with PP, if the GF is using vocalise, id imagine your DS is too

Op posted about this previously I assume after the disastrous meal i remember the arrogant girlfriend accusations.

JazzyBBBG · 16/09/2025 07:44

The girlfriend sounds like a nightmare. If she's that bad he'll see it. Sorry OP, do something for you this year.

Glowingup · 16/09/2025 07:45

Titasaducksarse · 16/09/2025 07:37

I'm sorry I've not read everything so apologies if this has been said.
I wonder if your massive, almost obsessional love of Christmas Day has, actually been too much over the years and your children have just had enough!

Do you maybe get super stressed or insist on things a certain way that, to them is controlling and they're thinking 'fuck this'.

Of course it has. I don’t even know the OP and her love of Christmas has made me feel stressed! Fuck knows how her kids feel. It’s so so incredibly controlling. I have some experience of this in my own family and family friends and it’s a nightmare. There seem to be so many people who feel they have a god given right to control their children for life - crying about them having a partner they don’t like, crying about not having grandchildren, crying about their kids living too far away, crying about them not spending time with them, crying about family gatherings not going 100% to plan, crying about how their children are raising their own kids. Get a grip and live your own life.

Owly11 · 16/09/2025 07:45

Btw have you watched ‘The Girlfriend’ on Netflix?

beccahamlet · 16/09/2025 07:45

You've shot yourself in the foot. It's massively ill advised to criticise other people's partners, especially your children. Don't do it, even if your kids are moaning about them.
Things won't improve until you recognise that you've made an error of judgement.
You need to draw a line under it and move on. I sincerely hope that you can mend bridges with your sons and enjoy future Christmases with them.

PersephonePomegranate · 16/09/2025 07:45

Brazien · 16/09/2025 00:23

Gosh it covered all sorts, gender ideology, immigration, Palestine, Brexit, cultural integration following immigration etc. Then spiralled into her effectively saying soldiers are no better than murderers if the government who controls them are corrupt and into philosophy of moral relativism, modern warfare and her finishing her whole rant with “I’d rather go to hell than heaven if heaven is bound to the same rules Christian’s are” knowing full well I had just been to church!

She sounds like an arrogant dickhead but your mistake was to engage. So many people now are unable to debate without taking offence or see any other point of view. There's very much a culture of what is deemed the right way to think and outright dismissing other people for javing a different opinion at the moment.

What they've done is very hurtful, but I agree with PPs: wish them a nice time and find something else to do. Volunteering could be good for you, since you enjoy hosting.

DryAndBalmy · 16/09/2025 07:46

Ohh Gawd, OP…

I’m afraid you’ve really shot yourself in the foot here.

First rule of daughters-in-law (or any partner of your son): piss her off and you’ll see less of your son.

You’be described a complete arse but, reading between the lines, it sounds like you’ve behaved very unwisely. The difference is, she holds the cards these days, not you.

This Christmas is decided. It’s completely irrelevant that you enjoy hosting it very much. You’ve ‘been you’ around DS1’s girlfriend and she thinks you’re a nightmare so he and she don’t want to be with you.

  1. Understand what has happened here. You’ve gone head to head with her and lost.
  2. Accept that this Christmas is a natural consequence of you making it clear that you can’t stand the girl
  3. Make plans to go to Aus/ spend it with friends/ volunteer/ solo travel this year. Whatever.
  4. Dial your opinions right back and play nice, going forwards. You are going to have to build a relationship with this girl if you hope to have time with your son - and this will be very hard to do if it’s all completely fake. So try to find the good in this girl. Try to find some things to focus on and love. You’ve listed out all the many negatives but she must have enough redeeming features or your son wouldn’t be with her. Eg she adores your son, she’s got lovely taste, she’s funny, she’s a good cook, she loves animals, she’s an accomplished tennis player/ sailor/ whatever, she’s beautiful, etc etc. Focus on those things.

All is not lost, you can turn this round, but it is going to take lots of time - and effort from you. So get down off your high horse and get started right now because if you think this one Christmas is important, just WAIT until she has your grandchildren. You need a good relationship in place by then. You’ve lost this battle but with years of consistent management you could still win the war.

Billybagpuss · 16/09/2025 07:47

Probably worth holding back a bit for a few days, don’t get in touch or push it at all as it will fan the flames unless it is a proper apology without any expectation.

Start planning other things to do on Christmas, great ideas already but you’ll save loads by not hosting so plan some lovely things for you to do a peaceful quiet Christmas sounds bliss.

Figcherry · 16/09/2025 07:48

@Brazien rule no.1 if someone shares with you views about their relationship make sympathetic noises but NEVER criticise their partner.
No.2 If annoying in-law is arrogant and spouting off tell them I think you're probably better informed on this particular subject .

No.3 if ds says you don't like my gf. Reply I think she's lovely, I'm so pleased you are happy. You make a good couple.

My dm was so submissive to my now ex sil.
Db had to work out for himself that she was a nightmare. Dm got to see her dgc even though she spent many hours tight lipped and quietly seething.

SilverCamellia · 16/09/2025 07:48

Take a step back. Would your brother welcome you to Australia over Christmas? If the gf is as bad as you say, then your son will hopefully come to realise it too. Let them crack on with their skiing holiday. It’s their loss.

ThatCyanViper · 16/09/2025 07:49

You are not unreasonable to be upset, anyone would be.
This may be a rocky chapter as your sons establish independence and loyalty to their partners.
Don’t chase or beg, Make other plans. whether that’s with friends, neighbours, volunteering, or even a solo trip.

Grumpyrager · 16/09/2025 07:49

How about you message your brother and enquire as to whether he’d be up for you coming at Christmas. You could make a nice holiday out of it.

I would personally leave both DSs alone for now. Just quietly go to Australia for a holiday instead.

CoffeeCantata · 16/09/2025 07:52

I agree the gf sounds arrogant but you can’t come between her and your son.

I think the whole problem here isn’t any of the individuals, but the fact that you set so much store by Christmas. I really advise you to try and re-set your attitude on this or your life will be difficult.

I used to love Christmas but I’ve told my children that nothing is written in stone and that they must always do what they want at Christmas - whether spending it with partners’ families or going away. We’ll see them before or after - it’s not the end of the world.

Don’t let Christmas be this important to you. Life is about constantly moving on and adapting- it’s the only way to be happy.

whiteplaques · 16/09/2025 07:52

Wow, people can be mean on MN!

OP, obviously you got into some kind of argument and spoke your mind - something that absolutely any one of us could do but I think your sons are treating you badly. It sounds a little like the girlfriend has somehow convinced them you’re ‘toxic’ and they need to go ‘LC’ (as they say so often here on MN).

So you overstepped but it didn’t warrant them a) changing their plans and booking a holiday behind your back or b) adding you to a group chat, telling you and running off. Not nice at all and I can totally understand why you must feel hurt.

The only thing you can do is leave it be. Apologise for speaking out (girlfriend sounds like a brat) and let the pieces fall where they may. If you have the means, book yourself a lovely stay somewhere (here or an abroad), put your feet up and have a decadent few days. If the girlfriend is as bad as you think, she’ll take delight in thinking you’re sitting at home, alone and sad. But what if you’re not and you’re actually off having an amazing time elsewhere.

Iamthemoom · 16/09/2025 07:53

Could you go to Australia and spend Christmas with your brother and his family? I would just leave it in terms of your DSs now. They’re making a point and I think you have to let it go. His gf does sound awful and you do seem to have realised it would have been wiser to say nothing, however hard that would be. They haven’t been together long and it may not last so I would make your own plans and ride it out. You’ve apologised and there’s not much more you can do.

banananas1999 · 16/09/2025 07:54

TheOtherAgentJohnson · 16/09/2025 00:23

Re: the baby weight thing, this is likely just a cultural difference. I have several German, Dutch and French friends, and they are alarmingly direct compared to Brits. They really don't have the horror and embarrassment around discussing weight that we do. Also, as a very general rule, French women are quite fixated on losing baby weight asap. Unlikely it was personal.

Mainland europeans are direct indeed compared to the british, saying that once day when she has kids she might find out that all women put some weight on during pregnancy and loosing it will be down to a few things and she might cringe about what she said.

as for christmas- christmas when ur mom is all about the kids when they are little, when they are adults they can be torn in many ways- either persons parent or go do their own thing and own memories, dont guilt trip them coming to you if they dont want to. Its just one day, take advice above- go to australia get some sunshine and see your relatives there or find things to do at home.

Albionsolutions · 16/09/2025 07:56

Jeeze the daughter in law sounds like a right pain in the arse to be honest. In fairness immigration and Palestine are very divisive issues. I generally get on well with FIL but we have had to drop this subject completely as we have opposing views.

i do think the kids have been really a bit mean in how they have done this. Best thing for OP to do is find another way to enjoy Christmas on her own

platinumanddiamonds · 16/09/2025 07:56

NameinVane · 16/09/2025 00:04

I was a bit of a twat when I first met my in-laws. I was in my mid 20s and had lots of opinions that they definitely wouldn’t have agreed with but I was quite strident about and used to voice with the certainty of youth at the dinner table. Luckily they realised their son loved me and that’s what mattered so they were kind, polite and generous with the food and wine. We get on great now.

I would do what JellyBeanSpring25 has suggested; completely apologise, do your own thing this year without guilt tripping anyone and reset things. I think this stage of life must be hard to adjust to as your children transition to being proper grown ups with their own families. Good luck OP.

I agree. Book a nice holiday away, there are other people who travel as they are alone at Xmas. Look it as a challenge to meet new people.
it’s a shame the relationship between you and the girlfriend has broken down. She sounds hard work. Would you not prefer a more relaxed Xmas than making an effort with a person you do not gel with?
I wouldn’t discuss it further with your family. Rise above it.

Fearfulsaints · 16/09/2025 07:58

Figcherry · 16/09/2025 07:48

@Brazien rule no.1 if someone shares with you views about their relationship make sympathetic noises but NEVER criticise their partner.
No.2 If annoying in-law is arrogant and spouting off tell them I think you're probably better informed on this particular subject .

No.3 if ds says you don't like my gf. Reply I think she's lovely, I'm so pleased you are happy. You make a good couple.

My dm was so submissive to my now ex sil.
Db had to work out for himself that she was a nightmare. Dm got to see her dgc even though she spent many hours tight lipped and quietly seething.

I think this is good advice.

Iamthemoom · 16/09/2025 08:00

Just read your update about her cocaine use. She’s highly political but doesn’t seem to care about the enormous human cost of the cocaine industry… from children and women disabled or killed by mines in the coca fields, to gun violence between gangs, to serious addiction. As a ‘recreational’ user she’s clearly happy to support and fund that violence and associated deaths! What a catch!

SanctusInDistress · 16/09/2025 08:00

He is thinking thst he is ‘marrying up’, so there is nothing yiu can do to stop it. The best thing you can do is get on with your life as cheerfully as you can and just keep your mouth shut. I would bet that she will dump him if she finds somebody she can ‘marry up’ into. Be civil, keep the door open for your son, live your life independently from your children, and watch him come back, eventually.

GAJLY · 16/09/2025 08:01

I would use this opportunity to stop hosting Christmas. I'd look for a group of people who are in similar positions and do something with them instead, perhaps check if the community centres are hosting christmas.

If not then maybe the homeless centres need volunteers, that would feel more rewarding. Your sons aren't being reasonable but they're actively trying to punish you. I'd step back and leave them to it. Do not fuel the drama further. There will come a point in a few years when they'll wish they had a christmas dinner at yours again! It's whether or not you want that?

BernardButlersBra · 16/09/2025 08:01

lnks · 15/09/2025 23:39

The fact that your post in no way acknowledges that you are at least partly to blame for this situation says everything.

It's super telling l agree

ChristmasFluff · 16/09/2025 08:02

I'm a huge Christmas fan. My extended family can never be together at Christmas due to shifts etc, so we have 'Christmas Day' a couple of weeks beforehand on a weekend we can all make it.

My son last year decided to spend Christmas Day with his Dad and their family (for the first time) so the two of us had 'Christmas Day' the week before.

If this is truly about hosting Christmas, invite everyone to yours for 'Christmas' another weekend in December, and then have a quiet one on the Day itself - for me it was actually really nice to go for a long walk, pop in to see neighbours, then sit in Christmas pyjamas all day eating party food and bingeing Christmas TV.

Spreading out the celebrations actually makes Christmas even more special, I think.

But it sounds like it's become more a battle to 'win' your son away from his girlfriend, this is one of those situations where you have to choose between being right and being happy. If I were you I would arrange the 'alternative Christmas' then invite DS and his girlfriend - including sending her an apology for the way you have behaved, and expressing a wish to repair the relationship.

Then leave them be, except for making friendly overtures whenever you have the chance. She isn't going to change, so you have to.

QuietLifeNoDrama · 16/09/2025 08:02

I think there are two issues here the girlfriend and Christmas. Girlfriend aside I think you would’ve come up against the Christmas issue sooner or later anyway. Yes, Christmas is important to you, yes you can feel sad that your not spending it with your children but it’s massively unfair to place your children under obligation every year in order to fulfil your idea of a ‘nice’ Christmas. These people are adults now, at what point do they get to decide how they want to spend their Christmas..?

Do you give your adult children’s thoughts, feelings, wishes the same level of respect that you give your own? From the brief bit of info we have it seems not, as you still feel entitled to their time and that they should prioritise your needs EVERY year…

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