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I will be spending Christmas alone and my children do not care

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Brazien · 15/09/2025 23:34

Hello,

I have 3 adult children, my eldest DD is 31, she is married and has a gorgeous little boy who is 11 months old. They spent last Christmas with me and DD already made it clear they would be doing one Christmas with us and another with her husbands family which is obviously totally fine and understandable. My next child is my DS who is 27 and then my youngest DS who is 25.

I would say I generally have a very positive relationship with all of my children, we talk relatively frequently and haven’t until now had a large falling out, they haven’t ever raised any issues with me in terms of our relationship and have historically initiated and planned visits. I am divorced and have been for many years, I have no close relatives as both of my parents have passed away and my only brother lives in Australia.

I absolutely love hosting Christmas, it is the highlight of my year. When my children’s father and I divorced we actually agreed he would get Boxing Day and New Years Eve (our children were still small when I got divorced) in exchange for me getting Christmas as it matters so much to me. I have hosted Christmas every year since I got married at 23, I never complain about hosting or resent doing this, like I said it’s the highlight of my year. As my children have grown it has of course meant some years I’ve had all of them home and others just one but never have they left me alone for Christmas and I’d actually say they have instead made quite a bit of effort between themselves to ensure someone is always around to spend Christmas with me.

Tonight I was added to a group text message chat, it included myself, both of my DS and their respective partners. DS1 has been with his girlfriend for about a year and a half, DS2 has been with his boyfriend for a year. My eldest son then sent a message, I’ll paraphrase but it effectively said that due to my attitude and opinions in regards to his girlfriend he will not be spending Christmas with me this year as he would like to spend it with her and refuses to expose her to my “inflammatory” opinions. He said he his brother and their partners have all booked to go skiing/snowboarding instead. They then all left the group message chat before I was able to reply.

First of all, this is not a way in which my son would ever normally speak to me, it was very defensive and accusatory in tone. Second of all, the opinions he is referring to are from a conversation I had with him following a large family get together for Easter. She is 24, French and seems to have an extremely elevated ego and level of confidence that borders on arrogance. I know she has a poor relationship with her own father (her mother has passed) but he none the less funds her life which consists entirely of expensive pastimes (snowboarding, tennis, concerts) and seemingly getting drunk, using drugs and partying.

At Easter she mentioned politics, which isn’t something I’d be keen to talk about over a family meal normally but my DS said that if we can’t have a friendly debate then we seal ourselves into an echo chamber of our own beliefs. She was totally unwilling to hear me out, and kept citing her multilingual abilities, degree and “travels” as reason she clearly knew much better than I, about politics, in Britain, a country she has only lived in for about 2 years. I shut the conversation down and said this is clearly unproductive. I then told my son afterwards that I had found her attitude to be filled with arrogance. She has also blank out refused to attend my nephews wedding as it was in a church and my DD told me that soon after she gave birth she said to her “if you ever want to play tennis or go to Pilates I will go with you; I’m sure you’re dying to shed the baby weight”. DD found this quite upsetting at the time but DS refused to call her out for it.

In terms of Christmas, both of my DS had said they would be spending this year with me, DS1 did not spend last year with me but DS2 did. I was looking forward to this and despite my dislikes of his girlfriend’s attitude, I made it clear she was also invited, as was DS2s boyfriend.

I called DS1 after the message in the group message chat and explained that I had never meant to cause offence to his girlfriend or to him for that matter and only ever shared opinions as she has always seemed so keen to be forthcoming with her own. I told him that I would be spending Christmas alone and I found that very upsetting and asked him to reconsider, I also offered to cover any costs associated with rescheduling their trip. He told me quite plainly it is not his problem that I would be alone and that he felt like I did not approve of his girlfriend and would never approve of him dating someone “intelligent, gorgeous and cultured” as it would make me “insecure”. Again this is never a way he has spoken to me before. He then hung up.

I then called DS2 who said that he was sorry I would be alone but he feels they’ve given me enough time to make other arrangements and that he feels that his brother is right that I clearly don’t like his girlfriend and he wants to show a stand of support to his brother and his girlfriend who he said he thinks is brilliant. He claimed I only don’t like her as she doesn’t conform to my expectations of a polite “basic” girl who just wants to get married and go on family holidays every year.

While I would say I don’t massively like her, I’m an adult and totally capable of being perfectly civil towards her. More so the reasons I don’t like her have nothing to do with her beliefs but her sheer arrogance, ego and reckless lifestyle, funded entirely by her father.

AIBU to be quite upset by this and to believe this is most likely coming from his girlfriend? How should I approach this going forward?

OP posts:
Romeiswheretheheartis · 16/09/2025 07:11

PauseOMen · 16/09/2025 07:00

If I were in your shoes OP, I think I would prefer to spend Christmas alone. What a shite show. If you really can’t bear to be alone at Christmas then go and do some voluntary work somewhere. Soup kitchen? Homeless charity? Take comfort in the fact that you are not the only person who will spend Christmas alone.

Agree. I'm a single parent of one child, I expect I'll be spending quite a few Christmas's alone in the future. Just eat what you want, watch whatever you want on TV, go for a walk - you can have a lovely day just prioritising yourself.

MinnieBaldock · 16/09/2025 07:11

I can't get over all the MN fuss about Christmas. It's just September for heavens sake. It's just one day and it's so much.
I come from a big family and we would all do Christmas day at our DMs which was lovely but for a long time now we all do our own thing. If you have children then it should be about them. If you have grown up kids then they will do thier own thing. It's just a couple of days then poof it's back to normal. So many people nearly have a break down. Just relax and watch the telly if you have nowhere to go.

KatSlayMoon · 16/09/2025 07:12

Taking everything else out of the occasion OP (and by the way I actually agree with your son’s girlfriend on a lot of the points you’ve included) your children do not owe you their time over Christmas. I appreciate that’s hard to hear but they are adults now and have the right to make their own traditions if they do wish, and you need to look at making your own traditions too. Your original post is very centred around your wants and needs, and how special Christmas is for you. It sounds quite emotionally manipulative if I’m honest.

historyrepeatz · 16/09/2025 07:12

Step back a little bit, don’t chase or guilt trip as it will annoy them and push them away more. Make plans and try to enjoy Christmas. Don’t complain about being left alone to your DD.

Kulwinder54 · 16/09/2025 07:13

Your son and his girlfriend sound like a pair of idiots tbh. The group chat incident is weird.

You need to build your own life outside of children and Christmases. As ppl say, book a nice holiday and next year make a firm resolution to find new people to enjoy life with.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 16/09/2025 07:13

If I were you I would go on a lovely holiday by yourself and not worry about them.

Re the girlfriend - it’s so hard to know who is right and who is wrong from a MN thread but I think demonising her is never going to help. I don’t really understand what the argument was about and what each of your opinions were. Did one of you voice an opinion that was down right offensive, for example?

Edit - I’ve read your updates now and I can see the topics it covered. She does sound like a bit of a politics bore tbh although I don’t think anything she said was offensive per se. Just a bit boring if that went on all day!

I think calling a young person arrogant for having their own opinion is a bad idea - everyone is entitled to their views.

I don’t think making Christmas the highlight of your year is healthy. Your highlight can’t depend on other people toeing the line and fitting in with your plans for ever. They’re adults and it’s perfectly reasonable to want to go skiing.

Group chats are often unhealthy I find.

Fluffypotatoe123987 · 16/09/2025 07:14

Maybe get yourself on bumble

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 16/09/2025 07:15

Oh god and 100% don’t moan to your dd about it. That would be horribly unfair. As the one woman amongst your kids, she is not your sounding board for complaining and upset.

BellissimoGecko · 16/09/2025 07:17

Dillydollydingdong · 15/09/2025 23:44

There's no point taking it any further. Neither you nor the girlfriend would enjoy Christmas Day if you spend it together. Isn't there anything else you can do instead? Maybe find out if there's anything happening on Christmas day that could use your help? Isn't anyone cooking meals for the homeless? Would the local church, the Samaritans or the WI be able to use a helping hand?

OT, but you can’t just rock up and volunteer for the Samaritans! You have to interview, pass, then take a training course first…

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 16/09/2025 07:17

Even if you weren’t hard work, you can’t expect your adult children to spend Christmas with you.

Stop relying on them.

It’s now time for you to build your own network and find your own way. Make Christmas special just for you. Go on holiday yourself to a winter wonderland!

arcticpandas · 16/09/2025 07:17

Brazien · 16/09/2025 02:03

They had a massive falling out at the start of the year before Easter and DS was really upset he told me a lot about her life etc. and went back anyway.

She sounds like a pain in the ass but you're old enough to have learnt to be a hypocrite and let your ds realise that on his own. The fact that you badmouthed her probably only pushed him closer to her.

MyOtherProfile · 16/09/2025 07:18

She sounds like a nightmare. It's a real shame you said anything out loud to your son but you know that now.

I think he handled it really badly with that group chat, which was pretty mean. But you have to be the parent, move on and organise your own thing. I hope you can find some friends or something activity for Christmas day and that it can be lovely.

Woompund · 16/09/2025 07:19

Brazien · 16/09/2025 00:50

Predominantly surrounding the viability of capitalism, her stating that the UK suffers massively as it is suspended half way between socialism and capitalism which results in the worst of both being the dish served, religion in the House of Lords and monarchies, NATO and the UN being “biased, useless and a system which only allows small nations to be punished which large nations and the Big 5 can break them as they please”, Nuclear Disarmament, cultural integration after immigration etc.

I think she did Literature and Philosophy at undergrad and strategic and political communication at masters level.

She sounds intelligent and stimulating. So what if you don't agree - you don't have to enter into a heated discussion. She's young and thinks she knows it all - and good on her for being informed and culturally aware. I like her confidence. You really did fuck up here - it's not as if she criticised you or your house or anything personal- it was a political discussion and you took it too personally and now have damaged your relationship with your DS. Both of them in fact. I'm sure DS2 worries about what you might think or say about his partner too after that!

violetcuriosity · 16/09/2025 07:19

I guess it also depends on what the political views you fell out over are… If she’s massively far right and you were defending minority groups then fair enough. If you were talking about how immigration is wrecking our country then they I get it.

Allthefruit · 16/09/2025 07:20

If her dad is wealthy is she bankrolling a lot of their fun at the moment?
I wouldnt try and fight it, hopefully over time they will see sense. But yes- lesson learned. Not try and win every argument without thinking what you might lose in the process

In the meantime, you need to find a new way to celebrate Christmas. Maybe you could host other single friends? Or volunteer? Or have a peaceful simple day and then host a bonus celebration later in the week or at another point in the year.

HereForTheFreeLunch · 16/09/2025 07:20

How's your relationship with your brother? Is it time to have a lovely warm Christmas in Australia?

ComfortFoodCafe · 16/09/2025 07:20

Could you go to your siblings? Could you afford the flight to go to Australia? Your son is handling is badly, dont send gifts. What does your daughter say? Could she invite you to her inlaws?

EatMoreChocolate44 · 16/09/2025 07:20

I think they are being unkind. They prefer to go skiing and this is how they are justifying it. Your son who isn't going out with the french girl really has no reason not to go to yours. He probably thinks if his brother and sister aren't going then it will be boring and is using it as an excuse. I'm sorry OP. I would never leave any family member alone at Christmas unless there were some extreme circumstances.

jumpingthehighjump · 16/09/2025 07:23

@Brazien oh dear oh dear oh dear.

I have no idea how you are going to come back from this. Discussing politics like this was your first biggest mistake and you will have pushed your DS further into the relationship.
If I was cajoled to talk politics with someone who I knew might be of a different opinion, I would flatly refuse repeatedly. I have had many a spoilt evening in the past with good friends and I refuse to. I've learnt.

Also you cannot, just cannot, criticise any of your adult DCs partners (unless they're dangerous of course!). You have to just hope, keep fingers crossed that it fizzles out, and if not, you just have to accept it
My DD had a boyfriend who spent a week with us one Christmas just before they moved in together. I just did not like him, we are a warm welcoming family and my god I tried so hard but he had barriers up. I am so so glad I never criticised him in any way to my DD and yippee it finished (he broke her heart, awful man). This was years ago, and even now I don't criticise him. I stayed neutral. My god, was it hard, but I did.

I can only suggest lots of apologies to both him and her and just try and get back to some sort of relationship with them both. As for your Christmas, I don't know...

BellissimoGecko · 16/09/2025 07:24

It sounds like things were worse than you thought, or your relationship with your dc was worse than you thought, if they have agreed to this WhatsApp group and then their joint Christmas plans…

You need to look back and think really hard about if you are being honest with yourself.

looks like you should have kept quieter at Easter… maybe offloaded to your friends about your son’s gf, not argued so much…?

Now, I’d step back, then maybe reach out to reach child and be normal. Accept their Xmas plans and try to rebuild your relationship.

bye it sounds very unfair that you have had your dc every Xmas since they were small. Your poor ex.

HarrietBond · 16/09/2025 07:24

PauseOMen · 16/09/2025 06:54

If they have kids together and taking cocaine then chances are they’re unfit to be parents and should be reported to Social Services.

If every parent that did recreational coke was reported to social services the system would fall over in a week. It’s sadly very common.

SilkCottonTree · 16/09/2025 07:24

BourgeoisBabe · 15/09/2025 23:49

Have you imagined your children will spend Christmas with you for the rest of your life? You need to sort your own plans fur Christmas in my view.

Agree with this - as an adult did you spend every Christmas with your parents? Why not take this chance to use the money you would have spent hosting Christmas and do somewhere where you’ve always wanted to go?

In terms of you falling out with your son’s girlfriend the fact that your other son is so strongly taking their side suggests that you are perhaps more in the wrong here. Most people would have just bitten their tongue in the situations you describe to keep the peace, young people can be opinionated and obnoxious at times but we all usually grow out of it..

Crazybigtoe · 16/09/2025 07:24

The group chat was unnecessary and brutal.

Clean slate to build some new Christmas traditions.

Maddy70 · 16/09/2025 07:26

They are going away for Christmas. You were unpleasant to and about his girlfriend they have boundaries.
They are giving you plenty of time to arrange something. This is on you I'm afraid. Everything in your post is about you and your feelings what about theirs?
Take all the pressure off this...
"Ok I understand, this makes my Christmas shopping easier do you need anything for the trip ? Goggles, ski clothes?

I have obviously unintentionally overstepped and I have reflected on this and you're right.
Shall we do a Sunday lunch at mine or at the "insert any nice country pub" and I can apologise in person

I am deeply sorry for any offence I have caused and I'm proud of the man you have become."

Theunamedcat · 16/09/2025 07:26

I have French relatives the strident "im right" attitude that some have is annoying ive been around it since I was a child and it can still get annoying "you little English people" was a favourite sentence starter i did get into trouble as a child for the conversation about alcohol "a bit of wine won't hurt you why are you English so stuck up about wine" i replied "i prefer whisky wine tastes a little insipid" "boom"

You need to do your own thing this Christmas let him follow his dream girl like a lap dog

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