Which country will you move to if Reform win next election?

[Krenonges]

Faced with the prospect of NHS being sold off, ICE-style immigration raids and deportations, emboldened bigots, changes to the school curriculum, public services dessimated, leaving EHCR, I honestly think I'll have no choice but to leave. I don't want to but I couldn't bring DC up in fascist state.

Luckily my DH, DC and I are all dual nationals of an EU country so we have an escape route if needed and this country goes to the dogs.

Where would you go?

He couldn’t form a coherent sentence let alone explain.

So, much like the radical left, then, when ask to define what a woman is!?

Nope, I'm very much talking about the Far Right anti-migrrant march that took place at the weekend.

This doctor explains it well:
Written by a doctor at St Thomas' Hospital, London after the Tommy Robinson march on 13/9.
‘I was the anaesthetic consultant on call at St Thomas’ Hospital yesterday. It is on the south side of the bridge that these racists marched over for 5 hours; right under the windows of the hospital chanting their hateful, vitriolic, violent slogans.
It was not lost on me that in our emergency handover meeting of around 15 people at 8am, I was one of only two white British members of staff. The NHS would collapse without the remarkable work that colleagues who are immigrants and the children of immigrants do.
This “protest” was not peaceful as we know. Many broke through what were pretty puny barriers to get into the hospital grounds. Security (all non-white and being incredibly measured) had to fend them off at the main entrance. No police. No other help. Lots of very scared non-British workers inside the building. Lots of the staff on duty with me were really scared about getting home safely. Many booked rooms in the nurses’ accommodation overnight because they didn’t dare leave. I drove several to nearby stations to avoid what was by 5pm an intimidating, abusive, drunken rabble.
Our chief exec sent a weak email on Thursday saying, effectively, everyone is valued in our hospital. She was nowhere to be seen on Saturday.
Colleagues and I are going to write to her to say that the Trust’s response before and on the day was wholly inadequate but I also think NHS leaders and the government need to denounce the overtly racist elements of the march (i.e. most of it) and publicly support non-British NHS workers. They must stop equivocating for fear of offending a group of the electorate that they foolishly think might vote for them, and take a damn stand. They are leaving a vacuum for the radical right; either fight or step aside and let someone else try to save the soul of the country.
I was shocked to see lots of families with their teens proudly marching. People need to get involved and counter this appalling rhetoric. It’s completely disgusting. We need to try to understand why they believe the far right’s lies, counter those lies and offer a genuine alternative for ordinary people otherwise we will be in the US’s shoes with Farage at the helm. I will do whatever I can to help in this cause but it is urgent. Labour are not doing anything effective. Those groups/parties planning to provide an alternative need to get their A’s into G and start campaigning loudly. Farage spent the summer holding weekly press conferences while the government went on holiday.
I felt embarrassed to call myself British in front of my incredibly brave but distressed colleagues yesterday. I’d welcome everyone’s view about the most useful steps that I and others who are equally appalled by yesterday and the rise of the far right here can most usefully do to fight back.
Wishing everyone a peaceful evening. ’

Wouldn't be ironic at all. People have literally ZERO issues with those migrating to the UK, working hard, paying taxes and doing their level best to assimilate into British culture. Why on earth would we?

You really need to stop mindlessly lapping up what the MSM wants you to believe.

I can’t tell if this is satire or not, but here it goes…

Brexit negatives: time-consuming and costly barriers for trade; losses in freedom of movement for leisure, education and business; the admin of attempting to axe/adapt close to 7,000 EU laws…think the Tories stopped at 600; given so many are concerned about immigration, net migration increased massively from 2020 onwards, particularly from non-EU countries (and ended the Dublin Regulation which allowed the UK to return some asylum seekers to EU countries without considering their claims) and also the huge cost - figures in photo below. I might well add to this the divisive rhetoric and misleading campaign to leave (remember Boris and his NHS investment bus), plus the political turmoil that followed with Cameron’s resignation, which ultimately led to Johnson and his Brexit deal, which he later admitted was awful. I’ve probably missed a few things.

And the Trump/Vance debacle was what took place at The White House when they attacked Zelensky in a full media circus from everything to his clothing, to suggesting (incorrectly) that he was responsible for the war and risking WW3. There was endless MSM and social media coverage, so should be very easy to find.

What shows that they are clearly racist is that they invited a woman who pleaded guilty to inciting racial hatred- and let's be really clear about what she wanted to happen- she was inciting others during a race riot to burn down migrant hotels with migrants in them. She wanted to BURN human beings alive- just because they are migrants. And Farage invited her to speak at their conference as a star speaker.
There were black police officers under apartheid South Africa- doesn't mean that the system wasn't racist. Be under no illusion that the Far Right is on the march in the UK (literally on Saturday), led by a tax-dodging hypocrite who doesn't care about the normal person.

Reform will rip themselves apart pretty fast when they realise they don’t know how to get anything done. Just look at the councils they are failing to run. They are mad as a box of frogs.

They have already cost us around 25k for each one of their councillors that has quit or been sacked.

Any British Citizen can go and live in Ireland (and vice versa). You don’t need an Irish passport. We are both part of the Common Travel Area so are effectively treated as we are citizens of each other’s countries for a lot of things: residency, benefits, healthcare etc.

That’s not correct, you do have a right to work there and access benefits and healthcare (and Irish Citizens can do the same here).

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/common-travel-area-guidance

“Under the CTA, British and Irish citizens can move freely and reside in either jurisdiction and enjoy associated rights and privileges, including the right to work, study and vote in certain elections, as well as to access social welfare benefits and health services.”

Don’t worry thought Irish peeps, in reality the vast majority won’t up sticks and move countries, however much they might want to. People need either a very very big stick or a huge incentive to uproot their whole lives and move away from what they know and their communities and wider family so unless things get REALLY bad, I don’t see a big rush to move to Ireland happening. It’s hard to emigrate.

Such a shame that understanding actual facts is seen as a joke. Explains the mess our higher education system is in.

Nowhere. None of this will happen.

I don’t think there will ever be a consensus on what LC said in her post because language is subjective. What meets the legal level of incitement? Do you need to give specifics (she didn’t)?

There have been countless death threats issued by trans rights activists towards JK Rowling which are way more specific and ‘inciteful’ and yet no one has gone to prison for those.

We don’t know whether a jury would have disagreed that she incited violence because it never went to trial which I think is a real shame.

It won’t happen because you don’t think Reform will get in, or it won’t happen because they won’t follow through on any of their pledges that they’re campaigning on - e.g. leaving the ECHR, mass deportations, etc. because everything the pp listed Reform have referred to.

The emboldening of bigots is well underway (and no that doesn’t mean everyone concerned by immigration is far-right/bigoted).

Yes I absolutely do prefer Labour to Reform by some considerable margin.

I think Labour could be doing better but I honestly can't see how they are worse than the bunch of Tory incompetents we had for the previous 14 years and I'd rather have them back than Reform in charge . Given my views of that disaster of a Tory government, the fact that I'd take them back any day over Reformreally tells you how much I don't want Reform in government

I'm sure some of those moving would be trades people yes.
Aren't there lots of empty houses following the celtic tiger era - a quick Google shows over 150,000 empty homes across Ireland.

But my main point was that everyone assumes they can just move to Ireland to live and work, when that isn't the case. My husband is Irish so he and our girls could, but I would have to live there for 2 years to be eligible or residency to be able to then work.

I 100% would take conservatories over Reform. Might not agree with all their policies, but they remain a moderate parry with experience of governing a country, which beats Reform who are all hot air and extremism hands down

So would I. I care about this country.

God, the pathetic, cowardly self-interested, self righteous pps on here.

Good riddance to them - and don’t come crawling back!

The AFD is gaining popularity rapidly (see this weekend’s local election) and may well win overall by 2029. The move to the right is happening everywhere, mainly as a result of too much immigration for too long.

I agree. Look at all the companies moving out of the UK, investing elsewhere, look at the huge government debt, look at the state of our health care system etc etc The UK is in indeed in a mess and Labour isn’t solving anything imo

@Bushmillsbabe are you a British citizen? If you are you do have the right to live and work in Ireland as multiple posters have said. Under the CTA.

And the issue with housing isn’t about lack of labourers - it’s about planning and infrastructure as well. Ireland’s population has expanded at twice the rate as the UKs and it’s a much smaller country to begin with. The infrastructure outside the main cities isn’t there to deal with huge numbers of people moving about hence, partly why there’s a housing shortage. There’s houses, sure but not all of them are near jobs. Much like here.

and papering the countryside with houses isn’t the solution- poor transport links, overrilance on cars so any increase must causes traffic jams. If everyone drives, nobody moves etc. It’s a smaller country, farming is still an important industry and using non agricultural land is an issue as Ireland is already the most ecologically degraded country in Europe. A few hundred immigrant labourers are not going to fix those challenges

Sorry, but she pleaded guilty. A judge gave her a substantial prison sentence- presumably they would have suspended her sentence or given her a lesser one if they thought - despite her guilty plea- that there were any grey areas or they thought the evidence wasn't clear etc.

I'm a man. If I pleaded guilty to sexually assaulting a woman or a child (well anyone for that matter) and then came out of prison and said I wasn't actually guilty, and that there are grey areas etc etc, I doubt many people would believe me or invite me to a party conference as a start speaker.

Again- it's worth remembering why she went to prison: during a race riot, she called for the burning down of hostels with other human beings inside them- purely based on the fact they were migrants. IE burning people alive based on racist reasons- a pogrom She then pleaded guilty. It's as clear as clear can be.

And if it isn't, google her litany of other racist tweets that demonstate her abhorrent views- views that got her invited to the Far Right Reform party conference.

Yes, I do. There are way more terrorist attacks in Israel (whether thwarted or successful) than in the UK though. Car rammings, stabbings etc. So I have no interest in living there.

If you haven't heard about these frequent terrorist attacks, that's because they rarely make it onto the news.

Seriously not going to be any better than the UK and Farage. I actually think Geert Wilders will win even more in the election in October even though the guy has already made two governments fall and this one even twice! His party is also a one man party. But people still vote for him as the left is just not an alternative. All they do is talk about issues far away and nothing about the massive housing shortage or failing healthcare. And stop calling people bigots if they have a different opinion or different priorities!

Just like other European countries, all moving to the right, all for similar reason: not immigration perse, but refusing to even listen to what the part of the electorate is trying to tell them.

At the time Ricky Jones was cleared, I heard plenty of discussion that had Lucy Connolly’s case gone to trial, she may well have been freed. The public’s bar for imprisoning people for their words is very high.

But as we know she pleaded guilty because she thought that would help her situation. So we’ll never know.

People seem to be listing countries with a different healthcare model and stricter borders or lax ones with the same issues as here, so the same thing as proposed.

With the added bonus of the effort of emigrating and facing any backlash there.