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Krenonges · 2025-09-15T19:21:49+00:00

Faced with the prospect of NHS being sold off, ICE-style immigration raids and deportations, emboldened bigots, changes to the school curriculum, public services dessimated, leaving EHCR, I honestly think I'll have no choice but to leave. I don't want to but I couldn't bring DC up in fascist state. Luckily my DH, DC and I are all dual nationals of an EU country so we have an escape route if needed and this country goes to the dogs. Where would you go?

carly2803 · 16/09/2025 21:21

USA or canada however with school age children that isnt on the cards with gun crime in the states

Livelovebehappy · 16/09/2025 21:22

JHound · 16/09/2025 20:51

I am constantly perplexed by those who insist Labour, a party that has been in power for 1 year are totally to blame for the UK’s woes while the Tories in power for the previous 15 have zero culpability.

Weird!

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You’ll find that most people who voted the Tories in during their 14 year stint pretty much abandoned them at the last election, hence Labour getting in. Labour didn’t get in on merit, but people just happened to dislike the Tories more than they disliked Labour. How long should we give Labour to make a start at getting things done? Because a year in and they’ve done nothing. NHS still rubbish with no improvement. Welfare system still a money pit which can’t be reviewed because Starmer doesn’t have the support of his own MPs to do anything. The boats keep coming with nothing in place to stem the tide. The one in one out is failing at the first hurdle, if you read the news today about one of the first to be deported back to France has managed to get it overturned. Quelle surprise …..

shuggles · 16/09/2025 21:26

@Humdingerydoo Yes, but I'd rather not live my life constantly waiting for the next terrorist attack to take place.

Don't you live in the UK?

Margaritadarling · 16/09/2025 21:30

I’m going to Ireland, can’t speak any foreign languages. So off to the common travel area it is. Or maybe Northern Ireland first then I can apply after so long for an Irish passport.
Or maybe Georgia as long as I leave for one day a year. Google translate. Maybe. Looks very beautiful country.

Sskka · 16/09/2025 21:31

EasternStandard · 16/09/2025 21:16

That’s not the case? Denmark, Poland, Australia, Greece? probably others are more hardline

If they are more lax then similar issues eg ROI, Germany France, others

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Nobody thinks it’s extreme when it’s a policy they’re in favour of, no matter how completely unprecedented it is. Extremism is only something the bad guys do.

MelaniesLaugh · 16/09/2025 21:34

Nowhere. I will be too busy celebrating

EasternStandard · 16/09/2025 21:37

Sskka · 16/09/2025 21:31

Nobody thinks it’s extreme when it’s a policy they’re in favour of, no matter how completely unprecedented it is. Extremism is only something the bad guys do.

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Do you mean this for the hardline countries listed?

Enigma54 · 16/09/2025 21:42

Gladysknightgottogetaholdofmyself · 15/09/2025 20:27

North Korea..be a bit more freedom 🤣🤣

🤣 can you imagine!

JHound · 16/09/2025 21:45

Livelovebehappy · 16/09/2025 21:22

You’ll find that most people who voted the Tories in during their 14 year stint pretty much abandoned them at the last election, hence Labour getting in. Labour didn’t get in on merit, but people just happened to dislike the Tories more than they disliked Labour. How long should we give Labour to make a start at getting things done? Because a year in and they’ve done nothing. NHS still rubbish with no improvement. Welfare system still a money pit which can’t be reviewed because Starmer doesn’t have the support of his own MPs to do anything. The boats keep coming with nothing in place to stem the tide. The one in one out is failing at the first hurdle, if you read the news today about one of the first to be deported back to France has managed to get it overturned. Quelle surprise …..

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I have no idea why people blame all of society’s woes on a party that has been in for 1 year, while giving a complete pass to the party that was in for the previous 14.

Sherbs12 · 16/09/2025 21:48

Livelovebehappy · 16/09/2025 21:22

You’ll find that most people who voted the Tories in during their 14 year stint pretty much abandoned them at the last election, hence Labour getting in. Labour didn’t get in on merit, but people just happened to dislike the Tories more than they disliked Labour. How long should we give Labour to make a start at getting things done? Because a year in and they’ve done nothing. NHS still rubbish with no improvement. Welfare system still a money pit which can’t be reviewed because Starmer doesn’t have the support of his own MPs to do anything. The boats keep coming with nothing in place to stem the tide. The one in one out is failing at the first hurdle, if you read the news today about one of the first to be deported back to France has managed to get it overturned. Quelle surprise …..

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Nobody can argue that Labour hasn’t made mistakes and progress is slow - criticism where it’s accurate, is right and fair. But this endless peddling of the lie that ‘Labour has done nothing’ is just totally ignorant.

NHS waiting lists are at a 2 year low; yes, there is so much more to do and so many faults within the system, but that is progress and it’s not doing nothing.

The way in which Starmer has reconnected with European leaders, and his treatment of Zelensky and uniting support following the Trump/Vance debacle is impressive, especially given the disaster of Brexit and the shambles that was Johnson,

Even today we’ve got an announcement of The Hillsborough Law Bill, which successive governments have failed to deliver - those families have campaigned for decades and to see them today with Starmer committing to this means a lot to many.

So by all means criticise and judge, but do it accurately and fairly.

fullfact.org/government-tracker/

Whammyyammy · 16/09/2025 21:50

Canopop · 15/09/2025 20:37

This is scaremongering I don’t know anyone in real life who supports reform I really hope it isn’t a thing 😢

People have very little choice. Everyday that KS runs the country, he pushes more and more people to reform

TeenagersAngst · 16/09/2025 21:51

Sskka · 16/09/2025 21:10

I don’t think it gets much more extreme than ours in fairness. Maybe Canada.

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You really need to educate yourself.

Sskka · 16/09/2025 21:54

EasternStandard · 16/09/2025 21:37

Do you mean this for the hardline countries listed?

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Ah, I was only making a joke really. We’ve been bringing in more people every year than the entire total who came between the Norman conquest and WWII, yet if you like immigration it doesn’t occur to you that that might be just a tiny bit extreme

Sskka · 16/09/2025 21:55

TeenagersAngst · 16/09/2025 21:51

You really need to educate yourself.

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Haha, lovely to see that old classic in 2025.

EasternStandard · 16/09/2025 21:56

Sskka · 16/09/2025 21:54

Ah, I was only making a joke really. We’ve been bringing in more people every year than the entire total who came between the Norman conquest and WWII, yet if you like immigration it doesn’t occur to you that that might be just a tiny bit extreme

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Ok I get you, it was hard to see how it applied but yep I see what you mean

BrendaSmall · 16/09/2025 21:58

Loveduppenguin · 15/09/2025 20:34

Can everyone please stop coming to Ireland we barely have enough houses for ourselves to be honest!

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That’s exactly what the English are saying about all the immigrants coming over!!!

PandoraSocks · 16/09/2025 22:04

usernamealreadytaken · 16/09/2025 19:50

From the reports in the news, Wales is likely to get a Reform government before RoUK 🤣

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Nope. Reform wouldn't have a majority under our system. Most like to be a Plaid/Labour coalition government.

Please don't wish Reform on us!

AzurePanda · 16/09/2025 22:06

Insurance based health care works perfectly well
in a huge number of countries, including a lot of the ones cited on this thread as a potential destination in the event of a Reform win.

BridgetofKildare · 16/09/2025 22:08

Sskka · 16/09/2025 21:10

I don’t think it gets much more extreme than ours in fairness. Maybe Canada.

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Germany seems to be able to deport Afghans who have committed serious criminal offences to Afghanistan.

usernamealreadytaken · 16/09/2025 22:30

frozendaisy · 16/09/2025 08:52

But if you are established in EU, with an EU passport, you can move easily to another 25 countries. and Germany at the moment has the industry the teen is looking at in terms of employment.

And would have work for H, with his EU dual, and he can speak German so an easier initial move.

It's about what you are able to do as much as options and sometimes you need to take one step first. Then go from there.

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You can’t bear the thought of living under a right wing government which you think will privatise the NHS, so you’ll move to a country that was literally run by Nazis and where the actual far right is on the rise, which has a privatised healthcare system? Make it make sense!

usernamealreadytaken · 16/09/2025 22:42

R0ckandHardPlace · 16/09/2025 10:41

Excellent post @Crikeyalmighty . I really don’t understand the mass ‘the country has gone to the dogs under Labour’ hysteria. Nothing has changed, unless you’re one of the few wealthy people affected by IHT tax etc. How have things got worse in the last year?

People have no clue what’s happening in other countries. They’re all facing the same problems as we are. And on the topic of immigration, I can’t understand where all these flag-wavers get the idea that every man and his dog want to come to the UK when immigration is actually far higher in other European countries. In the last year, France has had double the number of asylum applications and issued 2.5million working/student visas.

These idiots truly believe that other countries have very low rates of immigration, and ALL immigrants want to come here for our benefits (which are broadly similar or actually lower than many EU countries). It’s utter bollocks.

“In the last year, France has had double the number of asylum applications and issued 2.5million working/student visas.”

In 2024 the UK received 108k and France 158k asylum applications. France is about twice the size of the UK. France accepts about 30/35% of applicants, the UK about 70%. 30% of 158k is 55,k 70% of 108k is 75k - the UK has more refugees - some are those rejected by France.

Jumpingthruhoops · 16/09/2025 22:42

CherryVanillaPie · 15/09/2025 22:02

You've always been centrist but now want the far right to win? Ok

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I'd argue they're not Far Right. Just right. 🤷‍♀️ At this point, I am so utterly sick of Radical Left rhetoric that I see ANYTHING as an improvement.

Based on just this past week alone, I will NEVER align myself with a group that literally celebrates someone being shot dead in cold blood... for having an opinion. Then have the cheek to call other people 'facists'. Erm... 🤔

SamPM · 16/09/2025 22:45

I would consider moving back to the UK tbh. Right now the UK is in an absolute mess and needs to be sorted out. Desperately. If you really cannot see that then you must live in one helluva gold plated bubble because the rest of the world can see it.

Jumpingthruhoops · 16/09/2025 22:45

Tauranga · 15/09/2025 22:04

These types of threads show how we can all access the same information but come to radically different conclusions.

● PP said the top 20 % of earners will leave if Reform wins. This is a crazy idea as currently the top earners and businesses are leaving due to massive tax hikes and hidden tax hikes. Reform want lower taxes and lower business rates.

● Reform are racist. Their second in command is a brown Muslim....does this show they are not racist?

● Reform voters want benefits. I cannot figure this one out. The current Labour government has seen an increase in overall benefits including a huge increase in disability.

● Reform will send illegal immigrants back. Yes, this is true but I think you'll find every country in the West will begin this. Truthfully we annotation fit every person into Brigain who wants to come. Africa and India would sink the UK physically. Not figuratively. I mean this sincerely.

●Reform are fascists. Well, I doubt many of you know what this means as if you did you'd realise they are far removed from fascists, and perhaps the current government is more closely aligned with this description.

I had the same information as you all, and this is how I perceive Reform. Interesting that people can get such different ideas from the same input.

This. With bells on! 👏 👏

SamPM · 16/09/2025 22:49

Sherbs12 · 16/09/2025 21:48

Nobody can argue that Labour hasn’t made mistakes and progress is slow - criticism where it’s accurate, is right and fair. But this endless peddling of the lie that ‘Labour has done nothing’ is just totally ignorant.

NHS waiting lists are at a 2 year low; yes, there is so much more to do and so many faults within the system, but that is progress and it’s not doing nothing.

The way in which Starmer has reconnected with European leaders, and his treatment of Zelensky and uniting support following the Trump/Vance debacle is impressive, especially given the disaster of Brexit and the shambles that was Johnson,

Even today we’ve got an announcement of The Hillsborough Law Bill, which successive governments have failed to deliver - those families have campaigned for decades and to see them today with Starmer committing to this means a lot to many.

So by all means criticise and judge, but do it accurately and fairly.

fullfact.org/government-tracker/

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Please explain what the Trump/Vance debacle was. And also why Brexit is a disaster. Thnx.