Which country will you move to if Reform win next election?

[Krenonges]

Faced with the prospect of NHS being sold off, ICE-style immigration raids and deportations, emboldened bigots, changes to the school curriculum, public services dessimated, leaving EHCR, I honestly think I'll have no choice but to leave. I don't want to but I couldn't bring DC up in fascist state.

Luckily my DH, DC and I are all dual nationals of an EU country so we have an escape route if needed and this country goes to the dogs.

Where would you go?

Well, I'm glad to hear that you don't hurl abuse at anyone. Sadly, there are lots of people who do.

As for tarring everyone with the same brush, I haven't said that anyone with concerns about immigration is motivated by racism and hate. What I am saying is that I hold people directly responsible for their voting decisions, and if they choose to vote for a racist, far right party, then I will of course draw my own conclusions from that.

Please clarify what you mean by describing my posts as "reactionary". Also, please tell me what you find mind-boggling about my thought processes... what exactly is it that you don't understand about the notion that people who abhor racism wouldn't ever contemplate voting for an inherently racist party, regardless of what they might be concerned about?

It always amazes me to see people post this sort of anecdote, and yet see no problem with the society we’ve built.

If you read it in a Dickens novel you’d be horrified at the way things used to be.

All I saw were people busy pissing in the street, fighting with the police and yelling at women to 'get your tits out.'

Are you talking about the Notting Hill Carnival?

Bankrupt France? Good luck with that!

???

What’s horrifying about this?

Interesting. Apart from immigration, can you tell me about their other policies, why they appeal and if you can afford insurance based healthcare?

yes, hence the settlements ever expanding. We could all become Jews and actually move there.

Watch https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001q7qz/storyville-blue-box

eye opening!

Can you think of any countries that either don’t have similar immigration issues politically or hardline policies?

Just wondering where you’re aiming for

I am constantly perplexed by those who insist Labour, a party that has been in power for 1 year are totally to blame for the UK’s woes while the Tories in power for the previous 15 have zero culpability.

Weird!

Come to the US. Nothing going on here! 😂 I'd give anything to be able to move back to Ireland.

Another with an eye on Ireland here. I have an Irish mother (moved to England as a child) which I think helps?

Do I agree with their policy - absolutely not
Do i think its wrong? Absolutely
It is something i can compromise on? Yep...

"Perfect utopias" dont exist... so you have to compromise and pick from what's available.
Dubai is hard no for me. Loads of others love it...

Those citing Ireland are beyond naive. It's a decade or so behind the UK on illegal immigrating , COL is out of control, there's a housing crisis and immigrating and integrating is very very difficult - they just dont like the English (who can blame them!) I'm irish (& look it) but have an english accent and i can just feel the change and the froider in shops etc as soon as you speak and they hear the accent.

No he won’t. He’s denounced Farage in favour of Tommy Robinson. Do keep up.

I don’t understand what that has to do with my comment.

You're absolutely right - perfect utopias do not exist.
Too many people on here think that "European countries" are such places. While Singapore and Dubai have rigid social structures and somewhat harsh policies, at least they are up front about it.
You are clear about Singapore having anti gay laws and severe measures. Fine.
.to add: you made good points about Ireland.

You mentioned values I can’t think of anywhere not facing similar issues as here atm, is there anywhere?

I knew someone in 1985 who got sunburned in Galway
And I have experienced snow in Connemara

Bit hard to keep up with all the calls to violence issued by billionaires.

Does it bother you that Denmark’s immigration policy is far more extreme than ours?

Plenty of places where their Reform equivalents are (and for years have been) minority parties with zero likelihood of becoming the ruling party. I would head there.

I didn’t mention values in the post you quoted though?

I don’t think it gets much more extreme than ours in fairness. Maybe Canada.

The markets are far worse now thanks to Reeves. BoE spooked the markets and then they recovered quickly. We’re now in long term decline, with no sign of recovery.

We're off to Spain the end of October, having had our visas approved. Both 55, both decided to quit work, sell the flat and take a chance on life. DS, his wife and our granddaughter are coming with us - DIL holds Irish passport.
If it works it works, if not than we will cross that bridge

I love the UK, love London deeply but feel it's time to leave, especially with all the uncertainty of the right and far right gaining power (won't be a government just yet).
Deep down I know I will return one day, but for now I need a break.

Hardest thing is my constant arguments with wife, DS and DIL about the far right - I'm very much Labour and a typical lefty.
We now have safe words for when it gets too much....

They all voted for Brexit - despite me telling them how it will affect our future.

Maybe the country does need Farage and Robinson - I certainly do not want to be here when that time happens.

That’s not the case? Denmark, Poland, Australia, Greece? probably others are more hardline

If they are more lax then similar issues eg ROI, Germany France, others